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Now, battery safety:

The "standard" 18650 are a bit of odd man out, as you need to know that there's so many variants.

First: never buy the crappy re-wrapped third party brands, only go with the manufacturers, such as LG, Sony, Samsung, Panasonic/Sanyo.

ALL other brands are getting the rejected but still useable batteries that they re-brand under their name and then make insane claims about the capacity.

Second: be aware that the 18650 are not all made the same. There is low drain and high drain types. For mods, we HAVE to use HIGH drain (high A power, limited life). The low drain ones are for low power devices (low A power, long life) such as flashlights.

There is no high drain 18650 that is over 25-30A capable, nor has over 3,000mAh of capacity.

Some low drain have a safety cap that would make them a bit longer.

Third: the way these (and just about all cylinder batteries) are built is that they are a closed cylinder that's filled from the top, and sealed by a very thin insulator.

This means that the whole of the battery's walls is all negative until you get to the top where the positive pin is. The positive/negative is separated by this very thin insulator, which should you cause a contact between them, you would short out the battery.

So for safety, this area where this insulator/separation is, is covered by a insulation ring, either thick paper or plastic. The wrap is what holds it in place and protects the battery.

Should the wrap be damaged, especially at the top where this ring is, the battery should be set aside until the wrap is replaced with a new one. Same goes even more for the ring.

(links provided for examples again)
Replacement rings are like this:
$1.35 Paper Insulation Gasket for Pointed 18650 Battery (100-Pack) 100-pack - 17mm diameter at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

And wraps can be obtained as such:
$1.34 18650 Battery Sleeve PVC Heat Shrinkable Tube Wrap (50-Pack) 50-pack - 72*30*0.08mm / blue at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

Should you made contact and short the battery, do NOT hold on to it, you must throw it or put it down somewhere safe, a metal sink, in the grass, or anywhere should it go into thermal overload (or runaway) that no one gets armed or damage done. I've read about people throwing their batteries out the window into their backyard (and such).

Battery being shorted can do two things, the lesser is called "venting" where it overloads and heats up enough to cause a release valve built-into it to break (as a safety breaker) and the overheated chemicals will "steam" out of the battery.... it's not good, but it's the safety feature to prevent....

Thermal runaway... which is the full firecracker and "boom" effect...

On the news, you've probably heard or seen videos about this. The reason (EVERY TIME) is someone that either 1) carried a battery in their pockets with change or other metallic items and caused a contact between the poles, shorting the battery; 2) someone using a mech mod which they did not obey Om's law and overloaded the battery with a bad resistance range that pushed the battery beyond it's capacity, plus that once the battery went thermal, the mod did not have proper venting holes (to let the gases from escaping), literary turning their mods into pipe bombs (in their faces).

So if you plan to ever carry ANY batteries around, you should ALWAYS have them in a protective container or anything to insulate them from anything that may come in contact with them, such as silicone sleeves like these:
$6.05 18650 Battery Protective Silicone Sleeve Case (10 Pieces) 10-pack - random colors at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

For charging, having a good charger is best, but with a decent mod that has a good charging circuit, it would be fine... I charge just about all of mine via the mod and it's never been an issue, when I tested the batteries "in case" due to all the paranoia that so many have about it, I found that the batteries were just fine.
 
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So I would like to just point out that you have given me links to EVERYTHING except which glass rdas those are/ that you like!

My glass RDAs:

The Deadmodz
$8.30 Deadmodz V2 Styled RDA Rebuildable Dripping Atomizer - stainless steel + glass / 25.5mm diameter / w/ 3*LED lights at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

Got one of those via a local person selling a "stock" of his RDAs as he had too many, so after I tried several metal types, but once I tried this glass one, the difference was just huge... no more of that metallic taste I was finding with the regular metal ones. The airflow was the best I've had from a RDAs, it had/has a "smoothness" for lack of a better word due to the bell's shape.

And also there's the "Teapots":
$7.21 Teapot II Styled RDA Rebuildable Dripping Atomizer - stainless steel + glass / 35.5mm dia. at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

This one is fragile, so if you'd get one, get extra glass in case, I've yet to break one aside that one arrived broken (and had to get a replacement).
$9.31 Replacement Glass Tank Sleeve for Teapot II RDA Atomizer (5-Pack) 5-pack at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

Got one just for the fun of it as there's nothing like them, and turns out that they are absolutely wonderful.... the airflow is on top, which is also the refill, you can flood the thing and it will never leak. The airflow is like a small vortex before it goes up the neck so it adds to the mellowness, density and such of the vapor... the fact that spitting or popping is near impossible to hit you should it happen. The neck is almost soft on the lips for the inhale.

I've yet to see anyone that's tried mine and didn't love it.

Seriously though, thank you for everything, except for the 12th word in your 4th post. I didn't like that word. Only because I wanted to not like something of yours. So there!

Ok, I'll try not to use the word "then" anymore.

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Now, battery safety:

The "standard" 18650 are a bit of odd man out, as you need to know that there's so many variants.

First: never buy the crappy re-wrapped third party brands, only go with the manufacturers, such as LG, Sony, Samsung, Panasonic/Sanyo.

ALL other brands are getting the rejected but still useable batteries that they re-brand under their name and then make insane claims about the capacity.

Second: be aware that the 18650 are not all made the same. There is low drain and high drain types. For mods, we HAVE to use HIGH drain (high A power, limited life). The low drain ones are for low power devices (low A power, long life) such as flashlights.

There is no high drain 18650 that is over 25-30A capable, nor has over 3,000mAh of capacity.

Some low drain have a safety cap that would make them a bit longer.

Third: the way these (and just about all cylinder batteries) are built is that they are a closed cylinder that's filled from the top, and sealed by a very thin insulator.

This means that the whole of the battery's walls is all negative until you get to the top where the positive pin is. The positive/negative is separated by this very thin insulator, which should you cause a contact between them, you would short out the battery.

So for safety, this area where this insulator/separation is, is covered by a insulation ring, either thick paper or plastic. The wrap is what holds it in place and protects the battery.

Should the wrap be damaged, especially at the top where this ring is, the battery should be set aside until the wrap is replaced with a new one. Same goes even more for the ring.

(links provided for examples again)
Replacement rings are like this:
$1.35 Paper Insulation Gasket for Pointed 18650 Battery (100-Pack) 100-pack - 17mm diameter at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

And wraps can be obtained as such:
$1.34 18650 Battery Sleeve PVC Heat Shrinkable Tube Wrap (50-Pack) 50-pack - 72*30*0.08mm / blue at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

Should you made contact and short the battery, do NOT hold on to it, you must throw it or put it down somewhere safe, a metal sink, in the grass, or anywhere should it go into thermal overload (or runaway) that no one gets armed or damage done. I've read about people throwing their batteries out the window into their backyard (and such).

Battery being shorted can do two things, the lesser is called "venting" where it overloads and heats up enough to cause a release valve built-into it to break (as a safety breaker) and the overheated chemicals will "steam" out of the battery.... it's not good, but it's the safety feature to prevent....

Thermal runaway... which is the full firecracker and "boom" effect...

On the news, you've probably heard or seen videos about this. The reason (EVERY TIME) is someone that either 1) carried a battery in their pockets with change or other metallic items and caused a contact between the poles, shorting the battery; 2) someone using a mech mod which they did not obey Om's law and overloaded the battery with a bad resistance range that pushed the battery beyond it's capacity, plus that once the battery went thermal, the mod did not have proper venting holes (to let the gases from escaping), literary turning their mods into pipe bombs (in their faces).

So if you plan to ever carry ANY batteries around, you should ALWAYS have them in a protective container or anything to insulate them from anything that may come in contact with them, such as silicone sleeves like these:
$6.05 18650 Battery Protective Silicone Sleeve Case (10 Pieces) 10-pack - random colors at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

For charging, having a good charger is best, but with a decent mod that has a good charging circuit, it would be fine... I charge just about all of mine via the mod and it's never been an issue, when I tested the batteries "in case" due to all the paranoia that so many have about it, I found that the batteries were just fine.

I mean, I wasn't paranoid before, but now I'm never going to use anything with a battery at all, ever again! Or look at a battery, or let it within 50 feet of my body. I will wrap myself in bubble wrap.
 

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I will wrap myself in bubble wrap.

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My glass RDAs:

The Deadmodz
$8.30 Deadmodz V2 Styled RDA Rebuildable Dripping Atomizer - stainless steel + glass / 25.5mm diameter / w/ 3*LED lights at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

Got one of those via a local person selling a "stock" of his RDAs as he had too many, so after I tried several metal types, but once I tried this glass one, the difference was just huge... no more of that metallic taste I was finding with the regular metal ones. The airflow was the best I've had from a RDAs, it had/has a "smoothness" for lack of a better word due to the bell's shape.

And also there's the "Teapots":
$7.21 Teapot II Styled RDA Rebuildable Dripping Atomizer - stainless steel + glass / 35.5mm dia. at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

This one is fragile, so if you'd get one, get extra glass in case, I've yet to break one aside that one arrived broken (and had to get a replacement).
$9.31 Replacement Glass Tank Sleeve for Teapot II RDA Atomizer (5-Pack) 5-pack at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

Got one just for the fun of it as there's nothing like them, and turns out that they are absolutely wonderful.... the airflow is on top, which is also the refill, you can flood the thing and it will never leak. The airflow is like a small vortex before it goes up the neck so it adds to the mellowness, density and such of the vapor... the fact that spitting or popping is near impossible to hit you should it happen. The neck is almost soft on the lips for the inhale.

I've yet to see anyone that's tried mine and didn't love it.



Ok, I'll try not to use the word "then" anymore.

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OMG, I am sitting at work, at my desk, cracking up right now. You went and looked it up, didn't you?! I KNEW YOU COULDN'T RESIST!

Please don't, I don't like that word. At all. It's an evil word. I don't like it looking at me like that.

Also, just ignore me, I am very tired, so am very much crazy and babbley today. Yeah, not a word, I don't care. I said it, now it's a word. Yes, that is how this works.

Thank you for the links and names!
 

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I mean, I wasn't paranoid before, but now I'm never going to use anything with a battery at all, ever again! Or look at a battery, or let it within 50 feet of my body. I will wrap myself in bubble wrap.

But seriously... any battery needs to be respected... heck, they are "electricity in a can".

Lithium ones are just very powerful... and not dangerous is handled right, but many lack this respect.
 
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Do not taunt happy fun ball.
http://dai.ly/x44iru7?start=43

Now I am torn between wanting to taunt Happy Fun Ball and being terrified of Happy Fun Ball. Probably I will end up taunting it, but I will be in bubble wrap so it will be ok. Nothing can get through bubble wrap, especially not weird glowing acidic substances from outer space.

In fact, I am not only going to go taunt Happy Fun Ball, I am also going to go taunt the large plastic bucket full of used batteries AND throw quarters (ok, probably pennies, that's probably the only change I have atm, the only change anyone ever has) at them! AND THEN LAUGH AT THEM AND CALL THEM STUPID!
 

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Now I am torn between wanting to taunt Happy Fun Ball and being terrified of Happy Fun Ball. Probably I will end up taunting it, but I will be in bubble wrap so it will be ok. Nothing can get through bubble wrap, especially not weird glowing acidic substances from outer space.

In fact, I am not only going to go taunt Happy Fun Ball, I am also going to go taunt the large plastic bucket full of used batteries AND throw quarters (ok, probably pennies, that's probably the only change I have atm, the only change anyone ever has) at them! AND THEN LAUGH AT THEM AND CALL THEM STUPID!
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After reading Angel's post I stopped and held my breath my breath for a while. She seems to work very hard and I don't want to discourage her or hurt her feelings. I'm concerned about safety and don't want to see anyone hurt but it seems we do disagree about some things.
I always use temp mode with my vaporizers when vaping, I use wattage for resistance checks and for heating coils.
I don't think it's worth effort to try to prove all the statements I made since after all it is up to the builder to gather info and proceed from there. I've even heard that we shouldn't even be using nickel wires because it is a health hazard. Enough said
 

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After reading Angel's post I stopped and held my breath my breath for a while. She seems to work very hard and I don't want to discourage her or hurt her feelings. I'm concerned about safety and don't want to see anyone hurt but it seems we do disagree about some things.
I always use temp mode with my vaporizers when vaping, I use wattage for resistance checks and for heating coils.
I don't think it's worth effort to try to prove all the statements I made since after all it is up to the builder to gather info and proceed from there. I've even heard that we shouldn't even be using nickel wires because it is a health hazard. Enough said

Man, I don't want to touch this with a 10 foot pole, and obviously fallen is able to stick up for himself better than I can, but I really feel like I have to say that fallen has not only had great advice, information, links, well, pretty much everything, he has also been able to explain things not only for intelligently, but also very plainly. He is obviously intelligent and knows a lot about the stuff I will never understand, how everything works, why it works, why it doesn't work, why this is safe and why that isn't safe. But, I would really look into the points he made instead of just brushing it all off. He's done his research. Even I knew, after googling and reading before I even posted my question that Ni200 and Ti should only be used in TC mode, you can find information like that very easily. Fallen would be able to write a far more intelligent post than me, but I am honestly dumbfounded that you would question him on that, on information that is widely available just by using google.

I'm sorry fallen, I know you can stick up for yourself, but after all of the time you have spent on here, with all of the information and advice and just everything you have done, I couldn't just say nothing.
 

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After reading Angel's post I stopped and held my breath my breath for a while. She seems to work very hard and I don't want to discourage her or hurt her feelings. I'm concerned about safety and don't want to see anyone hurt but it seems we do disagree about some things.
I always use temp mode with my vaporizers when vaping, I use wattage for resistance checks and for heating coils.
I don't think it's worth effort to try to prove all the statements I made since after all it is up to the builder to gather info and proceed from there. I've even heard that we shouldn't even be using nickel wires because it is a health hazard. Enough said

This is just sad, as I was hoping that you were not serious... you are showing that you have no clue whatsoever about any of this stuff, you need to just stop posting and go read the hundreds if not thousands of web pages that contains this information as per everything I've stated.

This is NOT a disagreement, this is a case that you are very misinformed and completely wrong, and need to go read and get the proper information.

What I've provided were not "opinions" like your posts are about. They are actual facts, that I could easily provide a lot of links to confirm everything, and are my techniques that I've groomed after doing this sort of thing for years.

You could be putting others at risk by provide wrong information like this.

Maybe it's a language barrier as your english is quite bad, I don't know, but seriously, please stop and go read about these things that will confirm everything I've stated and will prove you wrong. Hopefully you'll put your ego away and do this, and for me, this isn't about pride, it's about providing correct information.

Man, I don't want to touch this with a 10 foot pole, and obviously fallen is able to stick up for himself better than I can, but I really feel like I have to say that fallen has not only had great advice, information, links, well, pretty much everything, he has also been able to explain things not only for intelligently, but also very plainly. He is obviously intelligent and knows a lot about the stuff I will never understand, how everything works, why it works, why it doesn't work, why this is safe and why that isn't safe. But, I would really look into the points he made instead of just brushing it all off. He's done his research. Even I knew, after googling and reading before I even posted my question that Ni200 and Ti should only be used in TC mode, you can find information like that very easily. Fallen would be able to write a far more intelligent post than me, but I am honestly dumbfounded that you would question him on that, on information that is widely available just by using google.

I'm sorry fallen, I know you can stick up for yourself, but after all of the time you have spent on here, with all of the information and advice and just everything you have done, I couldn't just say nothing.

It is sad that someone like this does this sort of thing instead of reading, but I had mentioned earlier that we do get such people in here.

The great thing is that you, someone that's just starting to get into it, did take the time and effort to read and confirm the information to get you started in the right direction... something that this person can't even do before embarrassing themselves.

I see a great and fun future for you in the world of vaping!
 
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This is just sad, as I was hoping that you were not serious... you are showing that you have no clue whatsoever about any of this stuff, you need to just stop posting and go read the hundreds if not thousands of web pages that contains this information as per everything I've stated.

This is NOT a disagreement, this is a case that you are very misinformed and completely wrong, and need to go read and get the proper information.

What I've provided were not "opinions" like your posts are about. They are actual facts, that I could easily provide a lot of links to confirm everything, and are my techniques that I've groomed after doing this sort of thing for years.

You could be putting others at risk by provide wrong information like this.

Maybe it's a language barrier as your english is quite bad, I don't know, but seriously, please stop and go read about these things that will confirm everything I've stated and will prove you wrong. Hopefully you'll put your ego away and do this, and for me, this isn't about pride, it's about providing correct information.



It is sad that someone like this does this sort of thing instead of reading, but I had mentioned earlier that we do get such people in here.

The great thing is that you, someone that's just starting to get into it, did take the time and effort to read and confirm the information to get you started in the right direction... something that this person can't even do before embarrassing themselves.

I see a great and fun future for you in the world of vaping!

Yes, yes you did. I still have a hard time believing that anyone that can think would just flat out call you wrong like that, especially on something that even I already knew, and it's not like I knew much at all lol. I wasn't even looking for it, I just looked into TC since I saw mine did TC and found that out. And I am one that always says 'just because it's on the internet doesn't make it true' however when there are multiple places where you can find this and can find the reason why, why would you just be like 'nope, all those people that researched this are wrong'. Oh wait, I see this all the time on other subjects that have been proven true...

Seriously Fallen, your information, your posts, your advice, everything, the thought and time you put into it, it's amazing and I know I keep saying it, but thank you so much for all of it.

Even if you use the word then...
 
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