In a grander scheme of things, "stainless is steel" is not actually stainless.
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I suppose it is all how one Defines “Stain”. And under what conditions it Can or Can Not occur.
I was told that it's called stainless steel because it stains...less, not because it doesn't stain/rust.
Cool....However most people don't set up with 9 wrap coils...it kind of defeats the purpose of the 28g wire....your response times will be worse than some one doing 5 or 6 wraps 30g and and your vape will be cooler... but to each his own . Most people who use 28g wire like to do low ohm set ups (1 ohm and lower) and for those type of set ups you can't use VV devices....except for the Provari v2. But to set it up with an unoxidized wick will be a real pain...if not impossible for some one trying it for the first time.
BJ....A person was asking regarding set ups and using the petark method with unoxidized wicks on his Provari. Since he had never done this before I don't think he wanted to do an 8 or 9 coil set up with 28g wire as his first set up.
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BTW....None of my juices burns with low ohm coil set ups using 28g wire vaping at 15 watts plus. I use pg juices and tobacco flavors. I know a lot of people who vape 100% vg juice and fruit juices at sub 1ohm levels with 28g wire at 20 watts...never heard them complaining about burnt juices either. If I vape at high wattage with 32g wire, yes I will burn my juices but not when vaping at very high watts and 28g wire. I guess everyones experience is different.
wrong thread for this subject, go here for this.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-not-matter-its-all-about-wire-temp-read.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-not-matter-its-all-about-wire-temp-read.html
Sorry Bj, but I have to say this while this comment is here, rather than there.
Edo, Are you really vaping at 15+Watts?, I highly doubt it, calculations for watts on a mech mod are reliant on that mech mod actually delivery the voltage under load, the lower Ohm the coil the less any given battery can supply even with the best mechanical mods you will lose many more volts than you might imagine, not to mention the watts used up in heating a large highly saturated mass of mesh. Just saying
I hear you, but at 1.4-1.6o and 4.6v or 9.0w, I don't even need a primer puff, I'm popping, cracking and sizzling in a second. My thoughts were that SS takes a lot to get cooking, I needed surface area. I'm getting huge clouds. I'll admit it though, the AGA is a LOT of cold steel and the vape is always cool until the 2nd or third puff, but its also going through a cold SS tip too.
I was using 32, but it doesn't heat the wick enough, the coil gets hot and will start burning juice without getting the whole wick to start vaping away, I started using twisted 32 nichrome, but that's a pain and doesn't dry burn clean like 28 kanthal. This is the sweet spot for my AGAs on both the VAMO and the Provari. The 28 is also stiff enough to maintain its shape when threading in the wick.
As for the unoxidized wick, that's what the cotton condom is for. Is puts a suoer thin cotton coat over the SS for blocking the short possibility. It also makes cleaning a snap.
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Sorry Bj, but I have to say this while this comment is here, rather than there.
Edo, Are you really vaping at 15+Watts?, I highly doubt it, calculations for watts on a mech mod are reliant on that mech mod actually delivery the voltage under load, the lower Ohm the coil the less any given battery can supply even with the best mechanical mods you will lose many more volts than you might imagine, not to mention the watts used up in heating a large highly saturated mass of mesh. Just saying
With a 0.8-1.0 ohm coil you're vaping at high wattage for sure. But your right....there are a lot of factors that will make the actual wattage less than the theoretical.
Chris....The gentleman wanted to do a straight PetarK setup...not one with a hybrid wick....at least that's what I thought.
We're getting a little off topic but if you want a hotter vape you can come to my thread in the modders forum and we can discuss it there.
We're getting a little off topic but if you want a hotter vape you can come to my thread in the modders forum and we can discuss it there.
I hear ya. We're way OT since this is supposed to be about the Cr(vi) issue.
I was only addressing a hybrid because of the straight-up oxidized SS wick mess we're in now.
Thanks though...I'll be checking out your thread next.
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Hey guys.. Wow this thread is interesting! Very curious to see what you scientists find out. Now I don't know much about cr III or crvI. from what I was gathering cr VI is a carcinogen? Now that interest me quit a bit. As a vaper and a paramedic and a respiratory therapist I'm interested in micron size of molecules produced. Certain areas of the pharynx have defense mechanisms that don't allow you (so to speak) to inhale particulate matter past a certain area. Cough reflex and lymph tissue play a big role along with inertial impaction and gravitational pull of the molecule downward. Bear with me please as I don't have the u with the dangly leg for ug but you are all super smart and know what I mean right? So your upper airway will "block" every from 50 to 5 "ug" your lower airway which would be your bronchus to bronchial trees is 2 to 5 "ug" your alveolar region parenchyma 1 to 2 "ug" and your lung parenchyma is 0.5 "ug". So I am curious about the inhaled portion of this experiment as I use aerosol nebulisers all the time and this plays a big role in what tissue I'm trying to target. Now with that said, just because it's not being directly delivered (assuming large particles) to your alveolar sacs doesn't mean that it's not being absorbed somehow. Like nicotine for instance absorbed once it hits your happy little mouth. Also what is being swallowed? How does stomach acid play? And intestinal absorption or liver? As you can see there are 10000 factors in what I'm curious about.
I glad you guys are testing this stuff to find out. But like a few others I'm a firm believer that its still better for you then the 6 gazillion other things that are in cigarettes. I have witnessed and seen X-rays of people who have smoked for years and vaped for a few months and the change in pulmonary function tests and X-rays is astounding. So even as a respiratory therapist I'm not going to get bent out of shape over what's on the wick or in the juice but what concerns me is what is aerosolized and introduced to the mouth and lungs.
I use gennies with oxidized wick even the chefs torch burn method. I'm still learning though as I just started with the rebuildables. I will always advocate for the safest way to do anything so I, like everyone else will try the unox method to see if it makes a difference. What I won't do is tell people to stop because of a possibility. I don't want anyone to get scared and run back to a cigarette. Or turn someone off of ecigs because of it. I will continue to help people stop smoking and refer them to this site even rebuildables with SS wick. Because as of right now your lungs are working 110% better than when you were sucking on the stinkies! Haha.
I don't mean to offend or interject a negative aspect on this because I think it's great what your doing. Just giving the opinion of someone whoe deals with lungs. I hope you all find the answers your looking for and that the test come back with results that show safe. So good luck and I am no chemist but if I can help on the respiratory side I deffinetly will. I will be following this thread for results.
I glad you guys are testing this stuff to find out. But like a few others I'm a firm believer that its still better for you then the 6 gazillion other things that are in cigarettes. I have witnessed and seen X-rays of people who have smoked for years and vaped for a few months and the change in pulmonary function tests and X-rays is astounding. So even as a respiratory therapist I'm not going to get bent out of shape over what's on the wick or in the juice but what concerns me is what is aerosolized and introduced to the mouth and lungs.
I use gennies with oxidized wick even the chefs torch burn method. I'm still learning though as I just started with the rebuildables. I will always advocate for the safest way to do anything so I, like everyone else will try the unox method to see if it makes a difference. What I won't do is tell people to stop because of a possibility. I don't want anyone to get scared and run back to a cigarette. Or turn someone off of ecigs because of it. I will continue to help people stop smoking and refer them to this site even rebuildables with SS wick. Because as of right now your lungs are working 110% better than when you were sucking on the stinkies! Haha.
I don't mean to offend or interject a negative aspect on this because I think it's great what your doing. Just giving the opinion of someone whoe deals with lungs. I hope you all find the answers your looking for and that the test come back with results that show safe. So good luck and I am no chemist but if I can help on the respiratory side I deffinetly will. I will be following this thread for results.
Here's the MSDS data:
CHROMIUM OXIDE
http://www.chemicalbook.com/ProductMSDSDetailCB8394705_EN.htm
So Chromium Oxide's melting point is 4415 degrees Fahrenheit ... what's the odds of any toxic vapors actually being released?
CHROMIUM OXIDE
http://www.chemicalbook.com/ProductMSDSDetailCB8394705_EN.htm
So Chromium Oxide's melting point is 4415 degrees Fahrenheit ... what's the odds of any toxic vapors actually being released?
That's the Cr(III) oxide (Cr2O3), which is very stable and not toxic. Chromium (VI) trioxide (CrO3) is the toxic species and it melts at 197°C, decomposes at 250C, and has a very high vapor pressure.
ICSC 1194 - CHROMIUM(VI) OXIDE
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