Standing up for vaping.

[Zanderist]

Keeping my eyes are wide open about vaping​

I'm only 26 years old, and I have abused numerous substances in my life, but not enough to kill me.

I have now come to my own, and starting to display some self-control towards certain chemical substances

But I know the risks involved, what I would like to bring up is a point I just realized.

Go over this thread if you can, but hear me out afterwards.

Zanderist

I recently posted in this forum, a thread about my sister telling me basically I should give up vaping else I will get cancer , and/or damage my lungs.


Look I was so happy vaping I stayed away from smoking for about 2 years. Then one day my sister started feeding me propaganda about the stuff. I then turned back to smoking.

She is a substance abuse consular in California, she must probably see it as her duty to some how make me clean

But I do not understand, if I surrender to a higher power aren't I clean before the eyes of the higher power? Can't I show some self control because I acknowledge the higher power?

And I hate to be so politically correct, but I understand this forum is seen all over the world.

In this process I learned something about myself and that is not to allow others try to control how you think.

Very Respectfully,
Zanderist.

 

[Topwater Elvis]

Tell your sister to go pound sand & mind her own business.

 

[mattiem]

Tell your sister to go pound sand & mind her own business.

or at least get her facts straight before spouting off the misinformation spouted by the news media.

 

[VHRB2014]

My higher power, gave me vaping. Because he never removes anything without replacing it with something better.

As an aside, it is always infuriating when these so called "professionals", speak of total abstinence only when it serves the own self serving self righteous ideals, whereas in other area`s of life they basically promote a "do what you want" approach as long as you are "protected". Hypocrites!

 

[JCinFLA]

Your sister's concern about you vaping is most likely based upon misinformation she's gotten and/or her own lack of knowledge about vaping. She's advising you to quit, as your sister, who cares about you. That doesn't mean what she knows about vaping is correct, nor even enough to really form a strong opinion about vaping in general. I'd just thank her for caring about you and leave it at that. Advice is just that...advice. It's up to you what you do with it, if anything.

You are an adult, who most likely is capable of making decisions for yourself, and without a doubt knows more about vaping based on your own experience with it. If you know it helps you stay off the smokes, do what's best for you in your opinion.

I have family members, too, who have expressed concern about my vaping, wanting to know if/when I'll quit, etc. I respond to them the way I've written above, after I calmy tell them some facts about vaping, how my health has improved since I've been vaping, and that my doctor has given me a "thumbs up" at each of my check-ups. Since I'm also a part of Moffitt Cancer Center's 4-year long, $3.6 million study on e-cigarettes...I also share with them some things about that study. Examples are, the high success rates they're seeing for those getting off cigarettes with the help of vaping (which are higher than all other methods combined), how vaping is allowed in the medical facility where the study is being conducted, and how they're trying to determine by their findings...if vaping should be classified as a legitimate smoking cessation device (ie. Nicorette, inhalers, the patches, etc.).

For me personally, I know what vaping has done to improve my overall health, and my doctor does, too. Does that mean my relatives aren't still concerned? Nope, but it's my decision to make for myself, and it only affects my own health going forward. Maybe you'll come to a similar conclusion, too.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Sounds like a 12 step program.

Ask her how does that help an athiest if they dont believe in a higher power?
Chemical dependency is physical, not a question of faith.
If the best they have is "pray for help" they are failing miserably.

Its religious faith healing.
Does her church empolyer recieve any state funding?

And she wants to give you grief about valing?

 

[Falco78]

Sounds like a 12 step program.

Ask her how does that help an athiest if they dont believe in a higher power?
Chemical dependency is physical, not a question of faith.
If the best they have is "pray for help" they are failing miserably.

Its religious faith healing.
Does her church empolyer recieve any state funding?

And she wants to give you grief about valing?

Actually religion and faith can play a major part in addiction recovery I have gone through this myself and having the help of a higher power is a key part of recovery

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[KenD]

Actually religion and faith can play a major part in addiction recovery I have gone through this myself and having the help of a higher power is a key part of recovery

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It can be, for some people. By itself it does very little, and relying on something external (imaginary or not) is not as good as finding the strength and conviction within yourself.

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[ppeeble]

A higher power always gives me bigger clouds. Vape on.

 

[TarekElsakka]

I hear a lot of criticism when I am vaping from friends and family members but to be honest I never let it get to me. I know my body better than anyone, and I can feel an overall improvement health wise. I started this debate with myself when I was finally quitting smoking and moving on to vaping, but then I reached a conclusion, which is that smoking is awful and even if vaping is not that much better, it's still an act that I truly enjoy rather than just do because I am "addicted" and weak.

I can quit vaping and go back to smoking any time, and I've actually done it last year when I started vaping, but I choose not to this time because I love it, no matter what anyone else says.

 

[Zutankhamun]

Wow. I hope I don't offend but i didn't realise vaping had anything to do with any sort of 'higher power'.

I believe in nothing of the sort and (luckily) nobody anywhere has any control of how I behave.

Obviously law and order does, but most law I agree with.
If it's a slight misdemeanour then perhaps I would make my own decisions on whether I believe the act to be right or wrong.

I wouldn't put vaping in the hands of anybody but yourself.
It's your choice alone. Not a higher power, your sister, or anybody else.

Anyway perhaps a higher power who was vaguely interested in such practices wouldn't have waited so long for vaping and in the meantime spent so long watching and allowing many to slowly die from an addiction with no alternatives.

 

[Zutankhamun]

@Zanderist

More important than that!!!

Just clocked it. Is that grim fandango?

 

[Zanderist]

Yes! it is grim fandango lol!



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[Bad Ninja]

Actually religion and faith can play a major part in addiction recovery I have gone through this myself and having the help of a higher power is a key part of recovery

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Thats the definition of faith healing.
So it just doesnt work for anyone that doesn't believe, huh?


Its a control system.

 

[Zanderist]

Outstanding posts people, very good content!

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[Falco78]

Thats the definition of faith healing.
So it just doesnt work for anyone that doesn't believe, huh?


Its a control system.

No its not control people don't have to follow the suggestions

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[zoiDman]

It can be, for some people. By itself it does very little, and relying on something external (imaginary or not) is not as good as finding the strength and conviction within yourself.

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Some see a Higher Power as a Power Greater than Themselves.

This could be some Dude in a White Robe and Sandals. Or a Multi-Armed Being. Or it could be the Collective Knowledge of a Group like the ECF.

A Power Greater than Oneself can be a Lot of things. And can be Manifested in Many Forms to some.

 

[Bad Ninja]

No its not control people don't have to follow the suggestions

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Yes, actually thats how it works.
7 of the 12 steps refer to god or a higher power.

 

[Falco78]

Yes, actually thats how it works.
7 of the 12 steps refer to god or a higher power.

Yes and it also says they are suggested steps which removes the control aspect

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[Zutankhamun]

@zoiDman

Your definitely right about a higher power being manifested in many ways but...

I think that op has expressed his views as faith in some sort of intangible manifestation.

Edit: bad wording. Sorry, not fear.

'if I surrender to a higher power aren't I clean before the eyes of the higher power?'
Perhaps I am wrong but I cannot imagine a single person surrendering/and hoping for cleanliness in the eyes of us...
The guys and gals who chat on ecf?

Perhaps I am wrong and their is a lot of power in you guys.
I guess I just never thought of it like that.
Just thought of it as a friendly chat.