Steeping Times and an Ultrasonic Cleaner Part III

[dannyv45]

I'll keep you posted. And thanks for all the great information you've been providing I've learned much.

 

[dannyv45]

I'll keep you posted and thanks for all the information you've provided I've learned much.

Opps double post sorry!!

 

[pdxtechdoctor]

Actually I'm using 1oz glass bottles and at max water level the water is just at the bottle fluid level. It does come with a basket but it says that the basket obsorbs 30% of the waves so this is why I went with the rubber mat on the bottom. It seemed to me that this uses less water area and would be more efficent. As long as I won't damage the unit (I don't really see how this can) I'll run this batch for a few hours and see if it's doing the job. If not I'll use the basket. I just like that the rubber mat vertually eliminates all the sound and the unit runs very quiet. The wife can't here a thing

I would think that a rubber mat would be even worse than the plastic basket. especially if it is lying flat on the bottom. It is just going to absorb all the sonic waves..

Let us know how it works, but I've just been putting my bottles directly in the machine like bobalex mentioned

 

[dannyv45]

As the poster before me said the rubber mat idea although not horrible was not as effective as the basket. After about an hour and a half I noticed little change in the color of my mixture. I expectect it to be a goldish amber and it was a very pale amber. I removed the mat and switched to the basket and in another 2 hours it turned to a nice rich amber. The taste was well blended but still a little harch on the tobacco flavor. This is typical after 2.5 weeks of steeping. This mixture takes minimum of a month to steep and turns a dark rich amber. I figure it still needs about 2 more hours in the UC bath. Overall I would say this is a complete success. Let me share my receipe for this wonderful mixture.

As an older gentleman I do not prefer the overly sweet candy like mixes and perfer a tobacco taste that is mildly sweet without over baring or masking the tobacco flavor. I found this mix to be slightly nutty with a hint of creaminess and no particular flavor jumping out at you. All flavors are very well blended and meld nicely together. It has a nice robust tobacco taste that has a slighty sweet, creamy nutty essence as it hits the tounge with fantastic throught hit on the inhale. The exhale produces a nice cloud that pampers the roof of the mouth with pure tobacco essence and has a creamy nutty aroma.

(100mg) Nicotine e-liquid 7.2 ml 144 drops 24 %
PG 11.7 ml 234 drops 39 %
VG 7.5 ml 150 drops 25 %
Double RY4 2.1 ml 42 drops 7 %
caramel 0.3 ml 6 drops 1 %
Dulce De Leache 0.3 ml 6 drops 1 %
sweetner 0.3 ml 6 drops 1 %
AP 0.3 ml 6 drops 1 %
vape Wizard 0.3 ml 6 drops 1 %

I've broken this down to ML/drops/percentage depending on how you like to measure. This will equal
a 30 ML bottle in a 75/25 PG/VG 24ml NIC base. Adjust your base according to your taste. If you prefer a mostly VG base you will most likly require a higher % of flavoring but I would not go more then 2% more on each.

 

[dannyv45]

Update!

Seems the next day when I went to continue steeping. I looked at the mix and it must have finished over night when it just sat. It was darker then when I finished the UC bath and required no more steeping. The tabacco taste smoothed out as if it steeped for a month.

 

[dannyv45]

I know this may be a bit off topic but now that I've used the UC to steep and seeing the fantastic results it's time to clean up. I've seen some spotty threads on using the UC to clean clearomizers and cartomizors. I already used the UC to clean a few glass bottles and it did a splended job. I have some kanger T3 coils. Some CE4 clearomizers and other assorted kr808 cleros that I need to clean. As I know already how to disassemble them (Pull the ce4 silicone covers off the coils, remove the drip tips etc..). I want to rinse the bulk of the juice out of them under the tap and put them in the UC. The question is. Will this harm them? And if not how long should I leave them in?

 

[gtseng]

My UC unit finally arrived today and I tried it tonight withe great success.

I have made 60 ml of Real Cig and French Pipe with VZ super-concentrate, throw them in the UC and run 9 min X12 = 108 min. Tasted them with my RBA and the flavor is so so good. Especially the Fench Pipe, the flavor is fully developed, comparable to the one I made (what's left over) from February.

This is truely amazing! Wondering why this is not talked much anywhere? Unbelievable!!

 

[bobalex]

… I've seen some spotty threads on using the UC to clean clearomizers and cartomizors. … I have some kanger T3 coils. Some CE4 clearomizers and other assorted kr808 cleros that I need to clean. … I want to rinse the bulk of the juice out of them under the tap and put them in the UC. The question is. Will this harm them?

Hey dannyv45,

I’ve had mixed results using the UC to clean 808 cartos as well as the larger Go-Carts and Boge Leo cartos. Sometimes I could resuscitate them and sometimes not. But the clear-o’s … that’s when I really got mixed results.

I think some of the tanks I cleaned may have had invisible micro-cracks in them that after a session in the UC … became … um … visible. And viola! Leakage.

Or …

Maybe it’s because I didn’t use the basket and the tanks were rattling around on the floor of the UC tank and that developed the cracks. Who knows? Not me. I’m going to do a test over the next day or so with one Go-Go Fury tank (in the basket) to see if my success rate goes up.

My UC unit finally arrived today and I tried it tonight withe great success.

I have made 60 ml of Real Cig and French Pipe with VZ super-concentrate, throw them in the UC and run 9 min X12 = 108 min. Tasted them with my RBA and the flavor is so so good. Especially the Fench Pipe, the flavor is fully developed, comparable to the one I made (what's left over) from February.

This is truely amazing! Wondering why this is not talked much anywhere? Unbelievable!!

Hey gtseng,

I dunno. Maybe it’s an Old School vs. New School sort of thing. I’d assume it’d be touted as The Holy Grail for tobacco flavored DIY juice makers who want to cut weeks of steeping time to a matter of hours. Or for anyone using any highly concentrated flavoring (1-2%) for that matter.

All I know is that I no longer need to think too far ahead, or be patient. When I see my juice supply getting low … I know I’ll have plenty more in just a few hours.

 

[dannyv45]

I think some of the tanks I cleaned may have had invisible micro-cracks in them that after a session in the UC … became … um … visible. And viola! Leakage.

I can see your point I think I'll leave the clearo's to the hot tap water and just unscrew the coils for the T3's and clean those in the UC.

I have a few old clearo's I've had sitting on the shelf while trying decide weather to keep or toss them. I think those will make a good test subject.

Keep me posted and I'll do the same.

 

[vikky]

Hey dannyv45,

I’ve had mixed results using the UC to clean 808 cartos as well as the larger Go-Carts and Boge Leo cartos. Sometimes I could resuscitate them and sometimes not. But the clear-o’s … that’s when I really got mixed results.

I think some of the tanks I cleaned may have had invisible micro-cracks in them that after a session in the UC … became … um … visible. And viola! Leakage.

Or …

Maybe it’s because I didn’t use the basket and the tanks were rattling around on the floor of the UC tank and that developed the cracks. Who knows? Not me. I’m going to do a test over the next day or so with one Go-Go Fury tank (in the basket) to see if my success rate goes up.

@bobalex & @ danny45 Ultrasonic cleaner is not for plastic and other soft materials, it will damage those, I use my UC for my kanger pro tank glassomizer for 10-15 minutes but the coil only for 3-5 minutes every 2 days, even after the cleaning the wick part tend to loose a bit if I put it in UC more than 5 minutes that's why I put it not more than 5 minutes. This applies For my 808 Cartomizers as well. I don't put the wick in the bottom of the tank either, but I hold it with a tweezer for 5 minutes, I haven't found any non plastic material to put the wick that will fit my UC maybe I will try a very small glass like a shot glass to put the wicks.

@ Mdemon thank you for your info

 

[dannyv45]

Thank you for the great info Vikky, I read in another thread an idea about cleaning cartos and clearos in pure PG which made sence to me. It was mentioned that water can introduce rust to the coil and vinager can introduce oxidation. I was thinking of using a small glass dish filled with PG and put my coils into it then float it on the water in the UC tank. This may very well also work for clearo's such as the CE4's. I have a few clearos that I was on the fence with as far a retiring them. I think these will make good test subjects. I'll report back.

 

[Puffing Billy]

I've been following this thread for a while now. I have no patience to wait 3 weeks for steeping and I always vape my liquids before

I already had at home an UC I bought from China some time ago for about 18 USD:

this one is really chinesse :

Problem is it has only a button. When you press it, UC works for two minutes end then stop.

From a period of my life I was playing with electronics, I had an alarm kit from PICAXE, a very simple microcontroller system:

It's based on PIC12F629, with only 128 bytes and a few in and out connections, but it's enough to allow it to "press" the UC button every X minutes for 24 hours, and then stop.

So I fill it with water, put my bottles in, press the button and let it go for 24 hours without attention.

Software filled all 128 available bytes. As it is now, it "press" UC button every 10 minutes launching an UC session of 2 minutes.

Here is the UC openned. At the same tracks where the button is, I've connected microcontroller output trough a relay:

Here the schematics for the controller circuit:

And here "the creature" as it is right now:

Now I have to put the controller circuit into the UC unit and integrate power supplying. For now microcontroller is powered by batteries (2 months authonomy). Voltage levels in UC are amazing: lowest voltage I've founded is 27 volts and I need 5, but I think it will work well with a LM7805.

If anybody is interested I can provide more details (controller software, etc...)

I believe this could work with any UC with a button.

 

[vikky]

@ Puffing Billy thank you so much for the information, I got a UC almost identical like yours, only my timer runs for around 3-4 minutes, different colors and the price is around$20 with courier fee ), I will copy the scheme, please provide us the details.

Do you put your juice bottle at the bottom of the tank? Or you put something beneath the bottle? I read somewhere on the internet that we are not supposed to put any material at the tank bottom, it will ruin the material and makes it less effective Questions and answers about Ultrasonic Cleaning - that's why we discussed this to put rubber band with another bigger glass so the smaller glass bottles with juice inside will not touch the bottom, flowing but attached to the bigger bottle. Somewhere in this thread or other thread someone put picture of it.

 

[dannyv45]

I am making test batches of 5 ml and using 5 - 7 ml plastic bottles. The caps are really tight so I'm not concerned about leaking. My question is the tank even with the plastic basket in is so big the bottles just float to the sides of the tank. I was under the impression that the bottles should be in the center of the tank where the wave are the strongest. Any thoughts as to if the bottles are sitting to the side it's still just as effective or not?

 

[bobalex]

... Any thoughts as to if the bottles are sitting to the side it's still just as effective or not?

When I made a batch (without basket) the 100ml (filled with 70ml) bottles vibrated all over the place like those old vibratey football games. They all came of age regardless.

 

[dannyv45]

When I made a batch (without basket) the 100ml (filled with 70ml) bottles vibrated all over the place like those old vibratey football games. They all came of age regardless.

Test batches came out fine so regardless of where they were in the tank made no difference. Now off to sample to see which are good and which need work. May have a few new recepies to share shortly.

 

[whyycharles]

hey i was wanting to try this speed steeping process, but does it really work?
And 1 hour of this equals 1 week of steeping? Is that how it works?

 

[bobalex]

hey i was wanting to try this speed steeping process, but does it really work?

Yes ... yes ... and yes.

And 1 hour of this equals 1 week of steeping? Is that how it works?

All I know is that I used to have to wait at least 2-3 weeks for my DIY tobacco e-liquid to "arrive." Now I'm ready to vape in 2-3 hours. I don't know if one hour = 1 week exactly, but 2-3 hours certainly equals 2-3 weeks.

 

[dannyv45]

hey i was wanting to try this speed steeping process, but does it really work?
And 1 hour of this equals 1 week of steeping? Is that how it works?

I have a complicated mix that takes a good 4 - 6 weeks to steep. I just got done steeping my second batch in about 5 hours with the UC. It does work very well. I bought the Joy4Less Professional Grade Ultrasonic Cleaner 4810 model recommended earler in this thread with the 30 minute timer from amazon. I would say 1 hour = 1 week is a pretty close approximation.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AY4TLVG/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

[dannyv45]

Found an interesting tid bit on what is called seed steeping. Which accelerates the steeping process to a few days. You take about a ML of your already steeped juice and add it to a fresh mix and shake. This supposedly accelerates the steeping process from a few weeks to a few days. The thread is here starting at the top of page 2. Hoosier has confirmed that it does work. Not sure why this works so anyone have any idea why this is?

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/412694-accelerated-steeping.html