Still a Smoker

[Renee]

I know a lot of people on here consider themselves non-smokers now that they use their PV's.

I haven't touched a cigarette since 6/1, but I still consider myself a smoker. I know that if asked or had to check off a box that said "smoker", I would say/check off the box that said "smoker".

I'm just wondering why people now consider themselves non-smokers?

 

[antism]

I think the term "Vaper" needs to be coined and put into regular use.

 

[usamare]

Well um, I think the lack of SMOKE would have a lot to do with that.

If you boil some water on the stove. How is it that you are not killed by all that smoke?
Truth is, if that were smoke, you would drop dead instantly. Instead, you can literally breathe it indefinitely and not be affected.

You are equating the habit of holding something to your mouth and breathing through it as smoking, and that's simply not true. I'm sorry, but you're probably not a smoker:-(

 

[ladyraj]

Well um, I think the lack of SMOKE would have a lot to do with that.

If you boil some water on the stove. How is it that you are not killed by all that smoke?
Truth is, if that were smoke, you would drop dead instantly. Instead, you can literally breathe it indefinitely and not be affected.

You are equating the habit of holding something to your mouth and breathing through it as smoking, and that's simply not true. I'm sorry, but you're probably not a smoker:-(

Respectfully, I disagree and contend that heating a solution via an atomizer with electrical current until it "smokes" and inhaling the result does count as "smoking".

 

[usamare]

Respectfully, I disagree and contend that heating a solution via an atomizer with electrical current until it "smokes" and inhaling the result does count as "smoking".

IF you heat it until it SMOKES then you are smoking.

Heating something until it releases moisture is NOT the same thing as heating it until it combusts and produces smoke. Most things don't SMOKE until they reach about 450F.
E-cigs operate at about 350F. They simply don't get hot enough to produce smoke. There's a gigantic chemical difference between smoke and vapor.

The boiling water analogy was a pretty accurate one.

 

[Kate51]

Yes, I think I am still a smoker, also, or perhaps a Nicotine User??
insurance companies, doctors, etc., would probably still classify this PV use as smoking.

 

[Talen]

Once an addict always an addict. I still consider myself a smoker as well...just one that doesn't smoke anymore.

 

[ladyraj]

IF you heat it until it SMOKES then you are smoking.

Heating something until it releases moisture is NOT the same thing as heating it until it combusts and produces smoke. Most things don't SMOKE until they reach about 450F.
E-cigs operate at about 350F. They simply don't get hot enough to produce smoke. There's a gigantic chemical difference between smoke and vapor.

The boiling water analogy was a pretty accurate one.

Combustion can occur at minimal temperatures it depends on the substance and heat source. From what I understand the chemical content of liquid and carts have no water. Thus, the vapor is not a mist of water droplets and does not have the same properties. Water boils at 212 farenheit which is far less then the temps listed in your post. But we can agree to disagree.

 

[Grandma Cas]

I don't consider myself as a smoker now because, when people ask me if I smoke they're usually asking if I smoke tobacco.

However, I do follow up with 'I now use a nicotine inhaler' which seems to make my doctors very happy.

 

[Mufftrix]

Once an addict always an addict. I still consider myself a smoker as well...just one that doesn't smoke anymore.

Have to agree !

Otherwise we wouldn`t be spending ££££ $$$$$ just to satisfy the habit!

Makes me laugh sometimes I look at my bench with little bottles and syringes, droppers etc and think how ironic the lengths we go to just so we feel human and don`t have to give up the nicotine altogether and suffer the horrid withdrawal symptoms

 

[JustJulie]

I don't really consider myself to be a smoker. I traded my smoking addiction for a vaping addiction.

For some, that may not mean much, but for me, it's huge. But I don't feel morally superior to smokers by any stretch of the imagination. I'm still an addict--just not addicted to tobacco.

 

[Vicks Vap-oh-Yeah]

I do not smoke tobacco anymore....I am not a smoker. If I'm asked if I smoke, the answer is no....simply because when asked if you smoke, they are asking if you smoke tobacco -

I consider myself a recovering, ex-smoker.

 

[wezzie]

Smoking=analogs...lots of nasty stuff
Vaping=nicotine....ahhhh.

I guess that is why some members want to call this device a personal vaper as opposed to a e-cigarette.

The pv is the only thing out there that has helpled thousands of people give up analogs. Don't know about you guys, but my family and friends are very happy that I do not smoke anymore...or smell like analogs, cough, wheeze, or have to leave their company to go outside and smoke.

 

[Majestic]

Since you're not inhaling the burnt fumes of tobacco, you're not "smoking" when vaping. Smoke also contains particulate matter like carbon and tar when tobacco is inhaled. Vapor only contains vapor.

Definition of smoking......

... smoking inhalation and exhalation of the fumes of burning tobacco in cigars and cigarettes and pipes.

Definition of vapor.......

......the gaseous form of substances that are normally in the solid or liquid state at room temperature and pressure.

 

[Linthorn]

Yes, I think I am still a smoker, also, or perhaps a Nicotine User??
Insurance companies, doctors, etc., would probably still classify this PV use as smoking.

I think that's the best question. From the perspective of doctors and insurance companies, smoking is only meaningful because it is correllated with cancer and other ailments. It's not the nicotine that they care about (unless you have a heart condition or some other sensitivity to nicotine). If PV use is not highly correllated with illnesses, then vaping would be medically and actuarially (made up the word because I don't know what to use for insurance companies) identical to coffee/coca-cola use.

Here's a thought. A friend of mine quit smoking two years ago using Nicorette gum. No cigs at all for two years but he still chews the gum. Nicorette is a nicotine delivery system. Sense he chews the gum, is he still a smoker? (I don't mean in the AA sense of the word, I mean in the fill-out-the-form/check-the-box sense). Can he legally and morally say he has been a non-smoker for two years?

Legally, according to the clean-air act, smoking is narrowly defined to mean any of a variety of methods for burning tobacco and breathing the fumes.

 

[Graverobber06]

I think it would depend on who was asking me.

If my doctor asked, I'd say I was a "vaper" not a smoker.

If I'm still vaping when the 2010 census comes around, I'll say I'm a 'non-smoker'.

If a waiter in a restaurant asks me, I'll say I'd like to be far from the 'smokers' out in the outdoor tables.

I agree the term vaper needs to come into more widespread use. E-cigarette user, while accurate, takes away from what we're trying to achieve by vaping.

 

[waveho]

In the common vernacular, a "smoker" is one who smokes ignited tobacco. "Smoking" e-cigarettes I agree is better described as "vaping." However, there is certainly some "smoke" involved in what we are doing here--while most is indeed moisture, there is still smoke! Not tobacky smoke to be sure, but smoke from the glycerin. Do what I did--blow a puff directly at a smoke detector in your house; if it's like mine, it will immediately sound! That means it's smoke. Water vapor will not set off a smoke detector.

 

[sherid]

I will always consider myself a smoker even if I never smoke another cigarette again. To declare myself a non-smoker would be an alignment with the anti-smokers. I make sure to always smoke at least one cigarette a day to prevent that from happening. As for declaring yourself a non-smoker for insurance purposes, it wouldn't work anyway for me. My employer has chosen to test that statement with a nicotine test which I would fail with or without smoking cigarettes.

 

[wv2win]

Yes, I think I am still a smoker, also, or perhaps a Nicotine User??
Insurance companies, doctors, etc., would probably still classify this PV use as smoking.

My doctor does not consider vaping anything close to smoking. You can ONLY be a smoker if you inhale burned tobacco according to my doctor when I asked him this question.

If you check off that your are a smoker because you vape, then you are not giving your doctor or who ever an accurate picture of what you are doing with your body and thus you are preventing them from providing you appropriate care.

 

[happily]

I will always consider myself a smoker even if I never smoke another cigarette again. To declare myself a non-smoker would be an alignment with the anti-smokers.

Even though I don't smoke I will always be a smoker.........non smokers tend to be self righteous, uptight, pains in the ....