Thank you for all your help. Now I buy blank carts and fill with my own juice. I find the flavored carts from Vapor4life are disgusting, as do my friends.We are all using the VG..maybe that compromises the taste. I just received Choc Milk,,it had No Flavor..and when I looked into the cart, there is no visable signs of juice.I have had other ones the taste like mould, these are the prefilled. I am wanting to buy my carts else where do to this. Even though I use blanks..my one friend wants the prefilled and chuck it out carts..but something with better flavor.I did email V4L....and told them the flavores were tastless. I think it was taken badly from the responce I received. I emailed again and said...this is called Customer Feedback. I really like Val and Steve, and like my batteries etc. But the cost of shipping, and the tasteless expensive carts..are a real downfall. I believe I have resolved my problem with a supplier here in Canada...that sells the 808 blank carts..for much less, and shipping is $9.95 flat rate. As for the filled unopened carts I have from Vapor4Life...I guess I'll boil them out.Thanks all...and great about the other carts that will fit~