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The only thing missing is some good, down home American working class language. I think the foul language filter should be lifted for this thread.
just in case, I hate jumping the gun but:
I agree...and it's really f****ng stupid. There are definitely some here that relish a heated argumentative discussion which is not always a bad thing but it does always need moderation when it gets out of hand.
I use both Mech's and regulated devices and I certainly think that the safety aspects should be pointed out and that we should perhaps avoid talking about anything that is inherently unsafe concerning them due to copying by the uninitiated.
However I do think that the main nay sayers here should perhaps take the desicion to leave these types of thread alone because they are clearly meant to be discussions for the mech user allowing them that pleasure. They just want to chat about stuff without criticism...
So please my regulated peeps.....consider keeping your comments to yourself or at the very least ask yourself ''does this comment really need to be made. And is it useful''
Thanks for listening
Seem like it’s time to contract this for brevity again.
It’s clear that treating dripster’s ideas like they have value and explaining differences is useless. So let’s do this quickly:
Going through the points:
1 -basic failure to understand what I said
2 -basic failure to understand what he himself said
3 -basic failure to understand what I said
4 -basic failure to understand what happened in the first place
5 -basic failure to understand sentence structure
6 -basic failure to understand what a point is
It continues to go on, but I’m just giving up here. There’s no point in attempting to explain anything to a complete willful-failure-to-understand.
Ive seen cogent moments from the poster, so I’m not thinking complete incompetence. Possibly a case of someone attempting to win an argument by simply holding their hands over their ears yelling “nananananana”
Does reason fail in the face of willful stupidity? No. It does become pointless though. I think my error was attempting to again treat him like a grown up just because he acted like one briefly.
Hope springs eternal I guess.
I agree...and it's really f****ng stupid. There are definitely some here that relish a heated argumentative discussion which is not always a bad thing but it does always need moderation when it gets out of hand.
I use both Mech's and regulated devices and I certainly think that the safety aspects should be pointed out and that we should perhaps avoid talking about anything that is inherently unsafe concerning them due to copying by the uninitiated.
However I do think that the main nay sayers here should perhaps take the desicion to leave these types of thread alone because they are clearly meant to be discussions for the mech user allowing them that pleasure. They just want to chat about stuff without criticism...
So please my regulated peeps.....consider keeping your comments to yourself or at the very least ask yourself ''does this comment really need to be made. And is it useful''
Thanks for listening
I do do that. I do admit to a reflexive tendency to reply when spoken to or about.
There is another different issue though:
I have issues when people start claiming things that are both generally known and proven to be false, and do so publicly. Something like a quarter (I am vaguely guessing) of posts on this site as a whole are from new users who have zero knowledge of vaping. Just because the vast majority of people posting in this particular section of that site are olds with large amounts of vaping experience doesn’t change that. New users still read it. Giving them false knowledge for personal preference or gain is simply fundamentally wrong.
Nice. Just in case you ever decide to pull the "sentence structure" card on me just know, my psychological malady is the cause. You're not pulling any punches here are ya? If your goal here is to reach new unattainable lows never reached, you're there. Good job<<< (not a sentence I know).
I hope other people don't see your post.
My statement still stands...perhaps more so.
''Ask yourself if your comment is really needed or is contributing to the spirit of the discussion/thread in hand or could it be left to somewhere else''
That was a specific case. It wasn’t a grammar nazi comment. It was an actual attempt by dripster to attempt to use sentence structure to twist a point.
As to pulling punches, the impression I got from his reply to my reply to his statement was there was never an intent to to be rational in the first place.
My reply wasn’t “mean” it was factual. The “mean” post was the one I replied to. The question becomes whether or not to treat dripster like a reasoning being or a drooling child. It’s difficult, because he seems to alternate back and forth. Was it “mean” to to treat a drooling child in that manner? Arguably yes. He wasn’t behaving like one two posts ago though. The error may possibly have been to treat him as anything other than a drooling child when he was not acting like one. As I said, hope springs eternal.
Now you are claiming you are only here to address false information? Just looking out for new users? Seriously? That's what you believe you were doing when you jumped into this thread in hyperbolic overdrive at just post number 4 to mischaracterize both mech users and firearms users and talk about body parts being blown off?
To wit:
Indeed, thanks for looking out for newbies by addressing all the previous false information posted with your detailed and well reasoned post.
You’ll notice I did mark your original post “like”. I don’t think you’re wrong. The issue is the public nature of the situation. I’m reminded of a film Jamie Fox was in about the life of Ray Charles. Specifically the introduction to ...... scene. This section seems to be the back room of the movie house the other musicians thought was private but into which Ray Charles bursts in (because it wasn’t actually private really) and upon being given vague warnings that ...... was a bad idea by the other musicians decides to not sufficiently heed them for reasons made clear earlier in the film. Thus badly damaging his life.
Nope. Not gonna do it. People don’t like that my modifications of the vague warnings are too specific. Tough. This isn’t about assuaging consciences of the perpetrators. This is about preventing damage.
I was thinking more along the lines of the little brother and bucket scene. We are only trying to pull you out of the bucket.
seriously
yes
Nice attempt to skip the body of the discussion and return to an already run through argument as if it never actually happened.To wit:
Indeed, thanks for looking out for newbies by addressing all the previous false information posted with your detailed and well reasoned post.
It has already been determined earlier that
A. The reference to the “G” word was a very specific reference that was taken far more generally than intended for political reasons that had nothing to do with vaping and was for purposes of this discussion a bad idea.
B. That what WAS meant could be equally well described by the phrase “caveman have fire!”
C. There was nothing wrong with the actual point, it was merely the wording used. Which you know or you wouldn’t have brought it up.
D. It was determined though time (because this thread is basically ancient by now and views have actually changed during its tenure) that mech sales were not affected in any significant way in either direction by the deaths, and that my worries were unfounded.
They were none the less real worries at the time for me. They just turned out to be unnecessary.
I don’t remember the bucket scene. It doesn’t seem to be easily available to a search for the term. Perhaps the scene has a different official name. Also I’m not a great googler so it may be there and I just can’t find it.
In any case, to guess at your aim, there have been repetitive suggestions for me to more or less “let sleeping dogs lie”. It has merit. The problem is they don’t seem to me to be either precisely sleeping or precisely lying still.
The truly sad thing is what started the latest argument was me simply asking someone to stop name calling people that choose not to use mech's and he spun out into a hate fueled rant full of more name calling and insults.
Thank you
It was a flashback from later in the film it seems. Might have been why I missed it. I don’t know.
At any rate I do agree that this thread is a washtub.
People hardly remember the action, only the reaction to it.
I use to have a very violent temper. It played on my conscious and made life very difficult. I would actually feel guilt while in episodes of pure anger. I finally figured out that if I could control my temper, life would be easier. I only bring this up because I am a firm believer that our primal instincts cause a lot of our actions.
Have you thought about what drives you in a manner that doesn't make sense to the rest of us? It's simply not a good look.
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It's odd, I can remember all kinds of useless stuff from years gone. But I can't remember what I posted 5 minutes ago..... thank God for the little red flags, I sometimes use it to see what I wrote and pray it wasn't bad.
I have some old Silver Bullet mechs. I got them when Deeming first became a worry. I use them once in a while just so I remember how if the time comes I need them. With a hot spring and a fuse and 1.2 ohm coil.
Some people prefer manual transmission in cars. They like the experience. I used them until I came to America, but now I prefer automatic for the convenience. Some time soon there will be people who still prefer to drive cars themselves rather than having a computer do it for them. We will probably have the same arguments about that as we have about mechs today. There are definitely people who shouldn't be driving cars, for our benefit as well as theirs. But the chances of me being hurt by a mech operated by someone who doesn't have the skills to do it safely are in the same range as being hit by a space asteroid. Not something I spend time worrying about.
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