i know quite a few people that i have tried to convince them to make the switch. my stepfather is 60 years old and has been smoking for god knows how long. he puts his nose up to vaping. i have tried several times to at least get him to try it. he is condeming himself to death. i dont get it, what is it with these people. at least give vaping a try. it is too late when you start hacking, go to the doctor and the doc tells you that you have cancer. i wish these poeple would just have a open mind. this is a product that works, only you have to try it first. if they want to continue to smoke im not going to force them to quit, i just think if their mind was open enough, that they would make the switch on their own. these are exactly the people that the money hungery tobacco companies want, people that will continue to consume their garbage product even when qaulity alternitives exist.
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I was sixty when I made the switch so don't lump us altogether! 
I got a few friends who are like that and some a lot of years younger than I am. The best excuse is that they don't want to replace one habit with another.
It all just comes down to they aren't ready to quit or just don't want to, and no matter what you do or say, it will not help.
I got a few friends who are like that and some a lot of years younger than I am. The best excuse is that they don't want to replace one habit with another.
It all just comes down to they aren't ready to quit or just don't want to, and no matter what you do or say, it will not help.
well when they are on their death bed it is too late. sad part is that my mother doesnt give a damn what her husband does, she doesnt care if she is the next cigarette widow.
What you must remember ar there are as many realities as there are people.. Smoking is something they know the effects of... Even though they know it will kill you it is essentially known... The effects... No one knows what vaping will produce there simply just hasn't been enough time to know the long term effects.. So in their reality it isn't "safe".... I understand their thinking... But I live on the edge....
the effects of cigarettes are death, dont know how much worse vaping could possibly be, lol
Psychology is a strange thing. My neighbor who introduced me to e-cigs (but quit using them herself shortly after that) will not eat vegetables. Supposedly because she is scared of toxins from pesticides, which she tells me as she is puffing on her 3rd American Spirit cigarette in 15 minutes. She will also not use any cleaning products for fear of chemicals. I highly suspect all of this is really because she just doesn't like vegetables and would rather her partner do all the cleaning. LOL!
I haven't talked to her about whether she thinks e-cigs are dangerous, but the way the human mind works, it's not hard to convince someone that something they don't really want to do is 'bad'.
I've seen this weight weight loss too. If someone really is not motivated to do something good for themselves, they can come up with all sorts of excuses why that thing is not really so good, or why what they are currently doing is not really all that bad. Or, a million reasons why the good option "will not work" for them.
Nobody is immune from this effect really. We all do it in some way or another.
ETA: Also, to be fair... there has been quite a lot of press and scare tactics out there that discourages use of electronic cigarettes. Without some deeper digging, which someone who is not motivated to quit is not going to do, it's easy to see how someone might be convinced that e-cigs are not any safer than analogs.
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The FDA hasn't helped our cause. Think about it. They tested one little group of samples and played up the fact that one cartridge of ecig juice contained diethylene glycol and they remarked that this was a component of anti-freeze. They also played up the fact that nitrosamines were present, but failed to include the fact that the levels were equal to that contained in a Nicorette lozenge at 8ng/dl.
Spin is a killer when you turn it to emphasize a point. PG is now a component of anti-freeze, but it was substituted for DEG because animals liked the sweet taste and would drink it and die. PG is safe to consume and saves wildlife, but still, they harp on the fact that PG is a component of anti-freeze and fail to mention that it is also GRAS and contained in so many food products we eat every day, as well as cosmetics and toothpaste.
We just need to emphasize the truth when we explain ecigs to people. The vapor is the same stuff they inhale during a breathing treatment for pneumonia and lung disease. It's actually good for the lungs and can carry medication into the lungs. We don't hear the FDA saying that PG is a terrible thing when the medical community uses it as a component of injected medications, either.
Spin is a killer when you turn it to emphasize a point. PG is now a component of anti-freeze, but it was substituted for DEG because animals liked the sweet taste and would drink it and die. PG is safe to consume and saves wildlife, but still, they harp on the fact that PG is a component of anti-freeze and fail to mention that it is also GRAS and contained in so many food products we eat every day, as well as cosmetics and toothpaste.
We just need to emphasize the truth when we explain ecigs to people. The vapor is the same stuff they inhale during a breathing treatment for pneumonia and lung disease. It's actually good for the lungs and can carry medication into the lungs. We don't hear the FDA saying that PG is a terrible thing when the medical community uses it as a component of injected medications, either.
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Going by these forums, it seems a lot of vapers are older people. I'd imagine the 'my future self can deal with the cancer' attitude, and putting too much weight in how people see them, would be huge hurdles in getting younger people to switch to vaping.
I'm sorry about your stepfather. I'm not sure there's much you can do, but I hope he comes around eventually. Good luck
I'm sorry about your stepfather. I'm not sure there's much you can do, but I hope he comes around eventually. Good luck
I just point out that component of antifreeze is also used in the vitalization systems of hospitals and convention centers to reduce airborne bacteria.
Your doctor may very likely be inhaling PG all day long while at work.
Your doctor may very likely be inhaling PG all day long while at work.
Younger people think they will live forever. Ask any life insurance salesman why it's difficult to sell a policy to a 25 year old. As we grow older, we recognize our mortality and begin to accept that we have to change to see old age. When you begin to wonder if you will be able to enjoy retirement or even live long enough to get there, you accept the fact that change is necessary. Why we can't visualize that in the early years when change will reap huge benefits in later years is beyond me.
Some of us 60 year olds do have open minds.. lol
I have been vaping 3 years.. Quit the first day I got a 510 and never went back to analogs..
I do not think age is a factor in quitting. I have turned several 20-30 year olds on to vaping and they
seem to be the ones hardest to convert, They went back to cigs, not the older ones that know they needed to stop..
It is a person by person event.. Age is not so much a factor as is determination to quit cigs..
My mother switched to e-cigs and 6 months later quit everything (now she's a non smoker, non vaper). She's 79.
There are other posts on here from a fairly young guy that has a GF that smokes and refuses to use e-cigs (and discourages him).
It's a big world, and full of all kinds. You can lead a horse to water......
Good luck to you.
There are other posts on here from a fairly young guy that has a GF that smokes and refuses to use e-cigs (and discourages him).
It's a big world, and full of all kinds. You can lead a horse to water......
Good luck to you.
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My sister was 52 when she died of small cell lung cancer (only caused by smoking) and she had smoked 40 years at that point. Had there been eCigs then (5 years ago) that worked, she would have been an Ultra Vet on here posting pics of her Mods and double barrel Provaris. She tired to quit every few years, with little to no success. And, she was a gadget girl, she would have loved all the techie stuff of vaping.
Concerning why "old people" are so stubborn. I think they have had many years to see fads come and go. They want to see results - no time left to try this and try that. If they knew that vaping worked, they'd probably give it a try themselves. Be the example for a few months, you'll be surprised how much impact that can have.
Also, just because someone doesn't want to try something, doesn't mean they are stubborn. It shows they are exercising their right to say "no". This is part of the learning process in life, and we use it until the day we die. Older people just practice a little more forthrightness in their expression of the right. : )
Lastly, there is also a fear that if they quit smoking, after so many years of doing it, that could actually trigger the cancer. I have heard quite a few long term smokers say that. Their friend quit at 60 and was diagnosed with cancer, kind of thing.
Concerning why "old people" are so stubborn. I think they have had many years to see fads come and go. They want to see results - no time left to try this and try that. If they knew that vaping worked, they'd probably give it a try themselves. Be the example for a few months, you'll be surprised how much impact that can have.
Also, just because someone doesn't want to try something, doesn't mean they are stubborn. It shows they are exercising their right to say "no". This is part of the learning process in life, and we use it until the day we die. Older people just practice a little more forthrightness in their expression of the right. : )
Lastly, there is also a fear that if they quit smoking, after so many years of doing it, that could actually trigger the cancer. I have heard quite a few long term smokers say that. Their friend quit at 60 and was diagnosed with cancer, kind of thing.
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I find for the most part, a lot of members on ECF are older. I think it's an as you get older type thing. I find it a lot harder to convince people around my age (23). I also have life insurance...I thought it would be a better idea to apply when I was 19, and could still get easily approved with lower rates.
...I thought it would be a better idea to apply when I was 19, and could still get easily approved with lower rates.I'm 59 & I have a friend who is just a little older than me. I've tried to get him to vape. His attitude is that he'd rather die from the known than the unknown. I tell him how much better I feel & I don't cough anymore, I can climb more flight of stairs,etc. He doesn't care, he won't listen. He's doctor says he has COPD & he won't listen. I've tried as best I can.
You also need to keep in mind that most people know (or know of) at least one elderly smoker with no apparent health problems. It's a crap shoot; a gamble. I love it when people talk about how a 96-year-old "died from smoking" as if that's what really killed him instead of old age. For heaven's sake, you have to die eventually - something is going to get you.
I will chime in with the other elders. I was 70 when I started vaping and had smoked for over 50 years and have been vaping over two years now. I wish there would have been ecigs twenty years ago and I would have tried them then. My breathing and overall health is 100% better than it was.
I think it is much harder to convince a 30 year old to vape than a 60 year old. At 60 you are seeing the results and damage smoking is doing to yourself and friends. It becomes very real when you see people you have known since you were in your teens packing around oxygen bottles and struggling to walk out to their car.
I think it is much harder to convince a 30 year old to vape than a 60 year old. At 60 you are seeing the results and damage smoking is doing to yourself and friends. It becomes very real when you see people you have known since you were in your teens packing around oxygen bottles and struggling to walk out to their car.
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I was 61 when I took up vaping and gave up smoking.
You can change a light bulb, but only if it wants to be changed.
You can change a light bulb, but only if it wants to be changed.
I'm 57 and it took a heart attack / double by-pass at age 44 and a mild stroke at age 56 for me to finally deside I was mortal. Yup, people can be hardheaded until reality bites you in the .....
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