Suggestion regarding mods advertised on ECF

[deluxe]

It would be great if there was a standard template that the seller filled out describing the features of the mod, *including safety features*, what's included, types of batteries/atty's etc it works with, materials used, limitations, etc. It would really help people shopping around to be able to compare features. In some threads I've seen no mention at all of any safety features on mods being sold, and I don't know if that's because there aren't any, or no one thought to mention them. It would also be *really* great if the vendor explained exactly what the safety features will protect the user from.

As of today, after reading a thread about a mod that exploded and shot a drip tip and atomizer into the vaper's throat, causing serious harm, I would like to know which vendors, if any, are thinking about this potential danger and how to mitigate it.

Thanks for reading

 

[5vz]

I agree. I am now afraid to use my mods. Just threw out an old Maxi RS V1, but had already replaced the switch too many times to count.

I know for sure that Provape has all the safety issues covered, but I don't know about anyone else.

 

[deluxe]

Well that's good to hear, cuz I'm vaping on my Provari and wondering how strong the top section is, should the battery decide to vent. I hope it's a LOT stronger than the base...

 

[5vz]

That part I cannot help with. I don't have one. I know they have some safety circuitry, but I don't know how safe anything is.

The problem with the "exploding" is said to be stacking batteries, like I did in the Maxi RS V1. You put two batteries in the tube to get higher voltage. I'm just scared now, and I don't like vaping at 3.7. Lol.

 

[oldsoldier]

It would be great if there was a standard template that the seller filled out describing the features of the mod, *including safety features*, what's included, types of batteries/atty's etc it works with, materials used, limitations, etc. It would really help people shopping around to be able to compare features. In some threads I've seen no mention at all of any safety features on mods being sold, and I don't know if that's because there aren't any, or no one thought to mention them. It would also be *really* great if the vendor explained exactly what the safety features will protect the user from.

As of today, after reading a thread about a mod that exploded and shot a drip tip and atomizer into the vaper's throat, causing serious harm, I would like to know which vendors, if any, are thinking about this potential danger and how to mitigate it.

Thanks for reading

First I'd like to clarify something: ECF doesn't sell any E-cigs, Mods, or e-liquid so the title is a little misleading to new members. (I'll edit that shortly)

This really isn't a site Issue it is an industry issue. We have literally hundreds of registered suppliers that sell a wide variety of products. We can't enforce any type of standardization of descriptions as we have no control of what they post on their site.

With that said there is a plethora of information about safety features we recommend. Here are just a few threads:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...9007-warning-rechargeable-batteries-mods.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...es/77710-basic-safety-specification-mods.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/site-feedback-help/76247-exploding-mods-feedback-thread.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...s/76078-exploding-mods-current-situation.html

 

[Liscab]

It would be great if there was a standard template that the seller filled out describing the features of the mod, *including safety features*, what's included, types of batteries/atty's etc it works with, materials used, limitations, etc. It would really help people shopping around to be able to compare features. In some threads I've seen no mention at all of any safety features on mods being sold, and I don't know if that's because there aren't any, or no one thought to mention them. It would also be *really* great if the vendor explained exactly what the safety features will protect the user from.

As of today, after reading a thread about a mod that exploded and shot a drip tip and atomizer into the vaper's throat, causing serious harm, I would like to know which vendors, if any, are thinking about this potential danger and how to mitigate it.

Thanks for reading

I think that's an urban legend

 

[oldsoldier]

Moving from site feedback to general discussion.

 

[deluxe]

See the second post in this thread http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...s/76078-exploding-mods-current-situation.html

I assume that it's not thought to be urban legend since an ECF moderator posted it... could be wrong... I would really like it to be wrong but it doesn't really sound like it.

 

[Devonmoonshire]

Well after reading much on the issue, all I can say for sure is that More butane Lighters have exploded seriously injuring people or worse, killing them, than any Ecigarettes of any Variety, mod or otherwise have ever done.

The RC Inductry deals with this problem every day, every week and every year with the safety of rechargeable batteries. I do know for certain that the mods I own do have anti vent safety features, that is not to say that a catastrophic failure could not happen, it is just less likely.

In response to the Provari, both bottom caps have a hole through the middle of them, the standard and the 18650 Extended cap. I also use only the Batteries suggested by Provape for this device. Currently I am Using the new AW 2000mAh High Drain 18650's that they sell on their site for the Provari.


You must use your own better judgment in choosing what you want to use for vaping. For myself I am willing to wait and wait and wait until the cows come home before purchasing anything because I prefer to do the research on it and verify that it meets my own personal Safety requirements. I am also willing to pay a little more for a better built battery or a battery with a safer reputation than others because my safety in vaping is paramount in my mind.

Everyone here has an abundance of choices in their vaping gear, and each and every person here has to be willing to live with the choices they make in what gear they buy. An accident occurring is always a very sad occasion indeed and I do hope that the injured person makes a speedy and rapid recovery, however that being said......

I personally would never hold ECF responsible or even Mention the sites name in any incident that should ever occur with any of my gear because their store has a total of 6 products, none of which are used for vaping LOL Although they do look very stylish.

ECF is a Forum to discuss things associated with electronic Cigarette's, Personal Vaporizers, Electronic Nicotine Inhalers, whatever you choose to call these devices, they are NOT a retail Store that sells them. Holding them responsible for anything that happens to a person due to the products listed by vendors here is like holding your local newspaper responsible because you got food poisoning from a restaurant featured in their sales ads.

Hope this helps to clarify this for everyone a bit
Nate aka Darth Vapor

 

[six]

I think that's an urban legend

I doubt it. Have you read it? Posted yesterday by royalgate

 

[Mylt1]

It would be great if there was a standard template that the seller filled out describing the features of the mod, *including safety features*, what's included, types of batteries/atty's etc it works with, materials used, limitations, etc. It would really help people shopping around to be able to compare features. In some threads I've seen no mention at all of any safety features on mods being sold, and I don't know if that's because there aren't any, or no one thought to mention them. It would also be *really* great if the vendor explained exactly what the safety features will protect the user from.

As of today, after reading a thread about a mod that exploded and shot a drip tip and atomizer into the vaper's throat, causing serious harm, I would like to know which vendors, if any, are thinking about this potential danger and how to mitigate it.

Thanks for reading

I think that's an urban legend

See the second post in this thread http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...s/76078-exploding-mods-current-situation.html

I assume that it's not thought to be urban legend since an ECF moderator posted it... could be wrong... I would really like it to be wrong but it doesn't really sound like it.

I doubt it. Have you read it? Posted yesterday by royalgate

no where in the link posted does it say the drip tip and atty was "shot" down the throat of the user. it says the mod exploded in his/her face. a simple vent hole would have prevented this and they are now standard on most, if not all, tube style mods that i have seen/heard about.

 

[deluxe]

Apologies if anything I wrote made it sound like I think the forum is responsible in any way for accidents involving PV's. I would like it if it were easier for buyers to compare features on PV's, especially safety features, but I don't mean to imply that ECF is somehow responsible for that. Perhaps having people making safety claims here presents legal issues for the forum that are too thorny to get into. If that is the case I withdraw my suggestion. Thanks.

 

[deluxe]

no where in the link posted does it say the drip tip and atty was "shot" down the throat of the user. it says the mod exploded in his/her face. a simple vent hole would have prevented this and they are now standard on most, if not all, tube style mods that i have seen/heard about.

Sorry, there was another thread in a different sub forum that went into more detail about the accident, but I can't find it now.

EDIT found it, post 32 http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/puresmoker/79545-so-discussion-exploding-batteries-4.html

 

[Liscab]

I doubt it. Have you read it? Posted yesterday by royalgate

taking a deep look into the matter it could be possible but i also think that if respectable vendor is selling a mod they are going to give you a relative good one but if you try to buy from mister ? or make one and add it the cheapest battery you can find on the web you could be in problems, then it is not an urban legend at all

 

[5vz]

Apologies if anything I wrote made it sound like I think the forum is responsible in any way for accidents involving PV's. I would like it if it were easier for buyers to compare features on PV's, especially safety features, but I don't mean to imply that ECF is somehow responsible for that. Perhaps having people making safety claims here presents legal issues for the forum that are too thorny to get into. If that is the case I withdraw my suggestion. Thanks.

I never thought you were asking for ECF to be responsible. I took it as asking the mod makers to list what safety features their mod(s) have and what batteries are compatible with the mod. And I still agree with that idea.

 

[oldsoldier]

I never thought you were asking for ECF to be responsible. I took it as asking the mod makers to list what safety features their mod(s) have and what batteries are compatible with the mod. And I still agree with that idea.

ECF has always supported and pushed for the inclusion of proper safety features in Mods. Though we all know that battery safety is generally good, educating your users about the proper batteries and the proper charging ( and care ) of said batteries is just a logical extension.

Many mod makers give their recommendations on the proper batteries to use with their mods -- now if people would only take the time to read and understand the risks.

More importantly they need to read and understand how they can minimize those risks -- then actually comply with those known best practices. That extra few minutes could save you from a catastrophic failure and possible injury.

 

[5vz]

I agree oldsoldier. Thank you for the previous links on mod suggestions for safety. Guess I don't navigate around enough as I had not seen them before, and it could even have saved some $ if I had read those first. I did not know about certain safety features, and will now look for them. I am a rather safe than sorry when something so big can go wrong.

 

[John Phoenix]

deluxe.

I think your idea is a good one and can be implemented at the user level when they post mod reviews.

I think there is no such thing as an exploding mod problem. What we have is an exploding battery problem. Or more correctly, a lack of an exploding battery problem. Exploding batteries can and do happen but it is not the norm. If they were that dangerous they would not be allowed to be used at all. Knowing the risks, and the things that contribute to a battery exploding (including bad mod design) goes a long way toward safety. Sometimes a batch is defective and is more prone to explode but in truth..

Just like there is no safe e-cig - there is no such thing as a safe battery. They all have a potential to explode and cause harm. The occasional unfortunate accident will happen.

Anything that stores any form of electricity can explode batteries are just one example. Be cautious yes, but do not be paranoid. There is not enough cause for concern to justify alarm and thus not use a mod just because of what may or may not happen. Battery technology is a relatively safe technology. Think about this: How many batteries have you used in your lifetime? How many have you seen explode?

 

[oldsoldier]

The bottom line is that batteries can explode, but there are many factors that can help mitigate the risk. Using high quality batteries with an appropriate C rating, using a mod with proper safety features in it's design, and proper care of the batteries goes a long way toward preventing an "incident".

 

[deluxe]

Thanks for the comments about batteries and I do understand that there are quality factors and recommendations for battery types and how to use them that can reduce the chances of a bad accident quite a bit. There is a *ton* of information about battery safety on this site, I have read it (more than once, LOL) and for that I am grateful!

I was looking at a thread today about a new mod and couldn't find any mention of a feature I wanted (a vent hole or slot in the bottom cap, or similar pressure-relief system). The pics and video never showed the bottom... after 45 minutes of trying to sort out what the mod did and didn't have I decided I didn't want it. But it crossed my mind that other people might also run into this issue and that's what prompted me to suggest asking vendors to just fill out a feature template, or maybe use a standard checklist, yes or no. Even if it was voluntary (so it wouldn't have to be patrolled and enforced), some vendors would use it because it would help them too. I think a lot of the smaller vendors are tinkerers, not marketing wizards, and just don't realize everything they ought to mention.