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cryx

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Here's a rundown of as many of the questions/problem/issues that have been noted by myself and others:

Wick
The length varies from barely spanning the tube to being a healthy length. Very short wicks are easily dislodged and tend to burn drier.

The wick is often almost centered and thus visible from the battery hole. Some report the wick is pushed off-center and not visible from the battery hole. It's suggested that an off-center wick performs better. Perhaps better wicking? If the fiberglass is impregnated, contact may not be a good thing.

Coil
The coils may be tightly compressed, or have a slight gap. The coil can be wound tightly or loosely. It's suggested a tight coil performs better, perhaps because it runs cooler being in better contact with the juice. When loosely wound, the leads may cross back over the coil. If arcing occurs, the wires will superheat.

The coil position varies from centered on the wick, pushed against the side of the wick/tube, straddling the slit, or outside the slit.

The coil is typically close or flush with the battery end of the shell which puts it in close proximity (1/16"-1/32") to, if not directly touching, the silicone adhesive and/or the silicone sleeve.

Wire leads
Vary from being recessed into the battery hole to having an extremely very small bend on the end from extending above the hole. The variance may bring the coil into contact with the silicone sleeve.

Depending on positioning of the wires, they appear to short against the shell under load and drop the resistance. The wires vary from being 180 degrees opposite, to 90 degrees which might increase the possibility of shorting. If arcing occurs, the wires will superheat.

Battery tip
Applying light pressure similar to snugging on a battery may change the resistance on some cartos. When it happens, the resistance may drop to ~1ohm. May be due to improperly positioned wires that bow under pressure and short against each other and/or the shell.

Silicone sleeve
Scorches are often seen on the lower end of the sleeve. I've seen it divot the tip of the sleeve. The wire leads have been observed to melt depressions in the sleeve w/o scorching it. Melted/scorched silicone releases toxics/carcinogens.

Arcing or shorting of the wires will superheat and damage the silicone.

Silicone adhesive
Wildly varies from thick fat ring, to paper thin ring, to barely enough to adhere to the sleeve. The adhesive is not pure silicone so it contains additives that will outgas during heating and/or melting. We need to know what the additives are. Additives tend to be very nasty stuff.

Arcing or shorting of the wires may damage the adhesive.

I've repeatedly eliminated foul nasty taste by removal of the adhesive. I'm getting tired of kindly being told it's not an issue with no supporting evidence.

Fiberglass sleeve
Appears to be impregnated with something. After subjecting to heat, the texture changes and it loses its springiness. Rolling it will release dust, which is either ash from an additive, fiberglass shards, or both. We need to know what it may be impregnated with.

Overall
The variances indicate that QC is poor. It's going to be hard to achieve consistency with this design and manual assembly by an army of cheap labor.

The current wick and wire length appear to be barely sufficient which is leading to excessive failure rates. I know it's all about increased material cost and decreased profit. Given amazing similar cartos with the same packaging foil, soft cap, etc cost <$.55 each in bulk, I think a few pennies can please please please be spent to make these safer?

My very simple suggestions would at a minimum be:
1) Replace the silicone adhesive with pure silicone and consistently use a tiny amount. Although the need for adhesive could easily be removed with no additional materials...
2) Increase the length of the wick to comfortably extend outside the tube.
3) Eliminate any possibility of the coil contacting the silicones by increasing the length of the wire leads to distance the coil from the silicone sleeve and adhesive by ~1/4".
4) Use the increased wick length and inner wrap to firmly hold the wick in place to prevent it from dislodging or the coil from contacting the tube.
 

redempti0N

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Very nice summary cryx. They should toss you a freebie of something for doing all that legwork :)
Now let's see what comes of it.

Like a free tube of that silicone adhesive :lol: sorry cryx i couldnt resist but yes You have put in A LOT of research into this and to be honest before you first posted I would vape away without a care in the world thinking "Hey nothing harmful in these things"
 

Gardner808

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Popeye, my wife and I have been using the Bloog MF Cartos since January 18 and we have not tasted one bad carto nor experienced any negative side effects from vaping. Obviously, that has not been the case with everyone who has tried them. There are concerns with this product but I do not feel at this time that they outweigh the benefits of the BMF.

Now, what is scary is your avatar. That is some seriously creepy stuff!
 

cryx

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I should be recieving my BMF on monday or tuesday, and now I'm scared to even try it!

You've been inhaling formaldehyde (big tobacco knows it has a synergistic effect with nicotine, ie. bigger buzz) and other nasty stuff for years from cigs. I'm not hear to scare people off, but to ask the questions to ensure this is a save product. Just use it with caution and throw out any funny tasting cartos. With a BMF battery you will be less likely to encounter problems, depending on the juice. When the bloog work, they work incredibly well!
 

popeye79

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Well I got my BMF this morning, and have been "vaping" it all day. Only tried two cartos so far:

Apple- tasted good at first, but then started to taste like something burning. I was puffing on this off and on for several hours. :(

Vanila- This is amazing! Been puffin on this one since I left for work (grave yard shift). Amazing stuff, I'm ordering more of these!


Still have to try my 555 and Red. But I'm scared to try any more of the apple.

Have people noticed that the burning is random, or will the whole blister pack be bad?

Thanks guys,
 

cryx

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Apple- tasted good at first, but then started to taste like something burning. I was puffing on this off and on for several hours. :( [...] But I'm scared to try any more of the apple.

You may have just run it dry if you were chaining on it. I'm not here to scare people, so just be cautious.

Have people noticed that the burning is random, or will the whole blister pack be bad?

Can't speak for the prefills, but for the blanks it's hit and miss. The whole pack isn't going to be bad.
 

SlotJo

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IMHO, there is no way 1 mil = 1 pack of smokes (Puffs), however in the amount of nic that you are getting there is totally a 1 – 1 ratio. 1 mil in my case would be 24mg of nic. I believe that is fairly close to 1 pack of reds nic wise that is. That is why I vape probably about 3 pad now what use to be 1 pad a day before. However like many things before I may have to go back and edit this post because a more informed vaper knows more then I.
 

Katya

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The studies I've seen seem to indicate that really only a fraction of the nic is absorbed into our bloodstream from vaping. I have no idea how accurate those studies are, they were few and far between, but the most quoted number is ~10%. That was based on the amount of nicotine in the urine, if I remember correctly.

I was an ultra lights smoker and I vape 10-12 mg eliquid, but I can chainvape--something I could never do with cigarettes. I smoked, on average, one cig per hour, or so. However, I can't tolerate anything above 16 mg, 18 mg makes me dizzy. So it's not just placebo effect.

Another issue is the whole tobacco alkaloids that are absent from ejuice. We are only getting the nic. Some people really miss the MAO inhibitors that cigarette smoke delivers and keep upping their nic levels in hope to achieve the same level of satisfaction they used to get from smoking...
 

starsong

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If one carto = one pack of cigaretts, there's NO WAY I smoked it dry.. maybe like 5 cigaretts worth. Like I said, on and off for a few hours.

update.. tried my 555. AWSOME SAUCE! Just like a real analog. Though I still think I like vanilla better.

I know lots of places say that 1 carto = 1 pack. It just isn't so. Even with other brands, it is more like a half pack. I had to forget about how far along in a pack would I have been by this time of day, and just start paying attention to what the carto itself was telling me. Once it starts to lose flavor and begins to taste slightly off, set it aside. You can refill it later.

I'm happy you like the flavors, even the Vanilla!
 

popeye79

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BURN ThE ATHEIST !!!

LOL! Didn't your momma every teach you to play nice?!

I'm actually vaping it right now.. the more I do, the less I like it. It's the closest to a real cig I've had yet (still very inexpeirenced), but it's more like... I don't know... if you're used to smoking lights, and then you smoke 3 reds in a row.. yah, like that; with a slight nutty aftertaste.

I like it better than apple, but vanilla is the bee's knees! :D

I'm actually getting a bunch of other flavor samples soon, but I wish bloog would make them. Easier to order from one place, and it's nice to just have some cartos ready to go with out haveing to refil, and having all that stuff around my kids, you know. I'm keeping it all locked up in my basement, but just a bit anoying.
 

Louie the Rat

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Thanks again Cryx. Better believe I am trying to use all of it in my improvement efforts.

I'm new here I haven't even tried vaping yet. I ordered My first ecig from Bloog and will perhaps get it today. But I wanted to thank you Cryx for all your efforts on this subject. As someone who has just learned of ecigs I have a lot of reservations about the quality of the products. From the reviews and other posts I've read it seemed like the Bloog was right for me. I've been learning a great deal here on the forum and decided to give it a try. Thanks to you Cryx I feel that I'm much more informed now and I'm sure informed customers can only result in aqn improved product.

Also, I wanted to say to Leaford that I was glad to see his respectful reply to your concerns. This is the kind of response from a company that earns my respect and confidence.
 

starsong

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I'm new here I haven't even tried vaping yet. I ordered My first ecig from Bloog and will perhaps get it today. But I wanted to thank you Cryx for all your efforts on this subject. As someone who has just learned of ecigs I have a lot of reservations about the quality of the products. From the reviews and other posts I've read it seemed like the Bloog was right for me. I've been learning a great deal here on the forum and decided to give it a try. Thanks to you Cryx I feel that I'm much more informed now and I'm sure informed customers can only result in aqn improved product.

Also, I wanted to say to Leaford that I was glad to see his respectful reply to your concerns. This is the kind of response from a company that earns my respect and confidence.

Glad to have you join us Louie. :)
 
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