Super Bowl e-cig commercials have lung association officials fuming

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kristin

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What built the e-cig industry is not pre-filled stick battery styles but the raves of people who had upgraded. Pre-filled stick battery types are not something people get excited about and tout to other smokers. I believe they are "tolerable" as a substitute for most people, rather than something to be enjoyed on their own merit. (How many of you started raving to your friends about that first pre-filled, cigarette-style e-cig you bought vs. the upgraded ones?)

I would love to have access to blu and njoy's customer sales records - how many of their sales are long-term (over 1 year) repeat customers and how many are one-time purchases or a month or two that never come back? Hard to tell with store sales, though, so it'd have to be online customer records. The point being, if the market was only pre-filled, cigarette-style e-cigs, the market would not continue to grow, because the word-of-mouth raves would be far less and many more new vapers will revert back to smoking because they don't like the lower quality, lack of options and (in my opinion) being limited to fake tobacco flavors would make people miss the real thing (kind of like how eating a veggie burger, when you want the real thing, just makes you want the real thing even more, lol!) The cigarette-style companies have benefitted A LOT from the raving reviews of the vapers who use advanced models. Most people don't want to start with something that looks like a mini flashlight, so they start with a cigarette-style. We've all heard the stories about people who have tried the cigarette styles on their own (without finding a place like ECF) and quickly went back to smoking.

How many people do you think have bought a cig style because they heard eGo, Provari and/or custom liquid users raving about "e-cigarettes?" How many of those eGo, Provari or custom liquid users were raving about e-cigarettes before they got their advanced models and flavor options? I know I never told anyone how great my $90 "OMG" prefilled, tobacco flavored e-cigarette was. It wasn't until I got better flavors and better batteries that I became a true "fan" and started raving. If they eliminate that advanced segment of the market, the cig styles will seriously be hurting their own market, too. Hopefully, they are smart enough to figure that out,but I fear their own egos may get in the way. If they succeed in staying on the market when everything else gets banned, they will find out what really drove their sales the hard way.
 
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Now this may be my a little too conspiracy theorist but these commercials worry me. Cigarette commercials were banned many years ago and I have an inkling of suspicion that these commercials are being used to generate controversy, Blu obviously can afford a commercial budget but i'm not sure how Njoy was able to pull off a superbowl commercial, makes me wonder if they have any other financial backing. Anyone with a brain will know that the ANTZ will be/are up in arms about these commercials airing on television, and can be an argument tool for the FDA if(or when) they do become categorized as a tobacco product and are regulated.

The way I see it is Blu who is owned by Lorilard would like taxation and regulation of e-cigarettes, since analogs are still a money making industry they most likely prefer there customer to stick with them. That way e-cigs are more of a luxury thing, cigarettes will continue to be the lower classes smoke of choice. I have no doubt that BT had a hand in the decision to ban flavored smokes like clove and Djarum flavors, but lobbied against menthol being included, since menthol is the smoke of choice among minorities (for the record I am a minority myself and have smoked both menthol and non-menthol, and I have never met a minority who smoked non-menthol and many times I have had someone ask to bum a smoke when they noticed it was not a Newport they said nevermind).

There are many factors that make me think that many industries and organizations don't want e-cigs to exist.
There's the overpopulation issue(what "they" want you to believe), or the perceived issue of overpopulation because it is only overpopulated in big cities. Bill Gates is an advocate for population control
it's proven that cigarettes cause cancer and BP profits from cancer.
Vaccines which have mercury in them are still being pushed on the public, and have been proven to cause autism in children.
Diseases like HIV help in aiding population control. I believe there is a cure for HIV, but it is suppressed. If not, how do you explain Magic Johnson?????

Anyway I'm getting off topic, there are always hidden agendas, this is not about the safety/non-safety of e-cigs, or the health of the public. It is about $$$ and power. as is everything else in the world.
 

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Now this may be my a little too conspiracy theorist but these commercials worry me. Cigarette commercials were banned many years ago and I have an inkling of suspicion that these commercials are being used to generate controversy, Blu obviously can afford a commercial budget but i'm not sure how Njoy was able to pull off a superbowl commercial, makes me wonder if they have any other financial backing.

This is how NJOY affords it:

NJOY Electronic Cigarettes Receives $20 Million Investment from Leading Consumer-Focused Private Equity Firm Catterton Partners

http://www.cpequity.com/news/catterton-partners-invests-in-njoy.html

It is predicted that e cig sales will reach 1 billion dollars this year, NJOY represents 40% of that!
It is also predicted that they will make tobacco cigs obsolete in 10 years!

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first the FDA has a major problem, a law suitable problem, not all nicotine used in e-juice is tobacco derived.
beleive or not nightshade family not only is tobacco, but includes some vegetables which are used in some nicotine products.
cat tails are also used for nicotine extraction. they have a huge problem and a law suit will be coming from somewhere.

the big tobacco factories better step up efforts for their products.
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as for the FDA,ALA AND ALL THESE OTHER OUT OF TOUCH ORGS. they will stay out of touch and continue with the horse blinders on.
 

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All the FDA has to do is deem regulations for non-tobacco nicotine. Do we really think the FDA couldn't easily get regulatory control over a so-called "highly addictive chemical" that is being sold to and consumed by the public - regardless of the source? It already regulates nicotine used as a drug treatment and soon it will regulate nicotine used as a tobacco product. It probably would have no problem whatsoever claiming synthetic nicotine and non-tobacco nicotine used for human consumption under its regulatory control.
 
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