I hope the V5 comes out soon so I can order a clone.
And you'll be able to get the clone, two weeks before the original.
SvoёMesto KAYFUN 4
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And you'll be able to get the clone, two weeks before the original.
He won't order a Clone... I will tho. At least 2 of them...And you'll be able to get the clone, two weeks before the original.
I will buy the authentic before I buy a clone. One of each. I want to show support to the original designer, which reminds me, does anyone know anything about ubertoots? I want an authentic, I have a clone. Then I'm gonna try out the gem, has anyone tried that yet, I ordered a clone from fasteck so should get it by February.
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In my opinion - If less people bought clones, more people would buy 'authentics'. Higher production numbers would be required of the 'authentics' which would decrease the amount of R&D and lost intellectual property incorporated into the cost structure and price point of the authentic.
A higher production volume, usually equates to a lower cost per unit in manufacturing and most certainly packaging.
I have probably just alienated myself here, but the concept of clones bugs me. I am astounded that clones even have dedicated discussion threads on this great forum.
I don't have a lot of money but I won't ever buy stolen goods. The only way to slow or stop this crime is to stop supporting it and stop this mainstream acceptance of cloning as a normal and acceptable alternative.
A higher production volume, usually equates to a lower cost per unit in manufacturing and most certainly packaging.
I have probably just alienated myself here, but the concept of clones bugs me. I am astounded that clones even have dedicated discussion threads on this great forum.
I don't have a lot of money but I won't ever buy stolen goods. The only way to slow or stop this crime is to stop supporting it and stop this mainstream acceptance of cloning as a normal and acceptable alternative.
I typically like to buy authentic stuff but it goes both ways. I would like stuff to be available for purchase at the time I want to buy it. Some companies simply won't or can't make enough to meet demand and you end up with a situation where it simply isn't available or very hard to get.
I remember a while back trying to get a hold of an authentic kayfun lite. Couldn't find it anywhere. Everyone out of stock, all the time. I wasn't about to play the sit and wait game of them to come in stock only to find out they would sell out within minutes. I ended up buying a clone that was easy to get a hold of from just about anywhere.
I just like to pay less for these. Some of these atties are also ridiculously too expensive. I always need at least 3 of every atomizer I use. You want to pay full price and support the develoer go right ahead. I'll save my money and do it my way.
In 2012 when it was launched I purchased my first Kayfun, the 3.1ES. Liked it so much that I bought one more. Counterfeits were not yet introduced into the vaping circle. 2013 saw the introduction of its shorter variant, the Kayfun-LITE. I purchased one again on its launch. And ended up buying further 6 of the KFLs down the road. Counterfeits started surfacing ~ but it never crossed my mind to get one.
Last year followed the pattern again - purchased the Kayfun4 on launch. And then stopped at it. Eleven Kayfuns till now ~ all proudly genuine! And all of them gathering dust unfortunately. But a proud possession nonetheless, b'coz they completely changed the vaping scene. Everything thereafter was just a variant of the Kayfuns. They were the 'real' game changers!
O' yes, bought two clones too down the line - The Russian and the Russian 91%, straight from KEBOtech. But never a counterfeit.
Last year followed the pattern again - purchased the Kayfun4 on launch. And then stopped at it. Eleven Kayfuns till now ~ all proudly genuine! And all of them gathering dust unfortunately. But a proud possession nonetheless, b'coz they completely changed the vaping scene. Everything thereafter was just a variant of the Kayfuns. They were the 'real' game changers!
O' yes, bought two clones too down the line - The Russian and the Russian 91%, straight from KEBOtech. But never a counterfeit.
I haven't been around here much of late, but just wanted to say that it's because the Kyfun V4 design has basically closed the endless hunt for me.
That and titanium wire on an 18650 Mod with Temp Control, like say a 50W KangXin VF Mini, though 25 watts has been more than enough.
On the juice front it's been all-VG lightly flavored, home-made using no more than 10% FlavourArt flavoring. A few drops of 151 Rum per 10 ml will thin it and make it wick perfectly.
Took me a while to taper down but I'm happier without the nicotine, not that nicotine's evil, but because I get cold hands & feet (Raynaud's syndrome) from it.
Nothing is perfect, juice will always seep a bit, but the V4 is good enough. Haven't seen anything that significantly improves on it. I still like playing with coils and RDAs of various types.
If there's a Kayfun V5, and a V6, I'd love to see 'em ;-)
That and titanium wire on an 18650 Mod with Temp Control, like say a 50W KangXin VF Mini, though 25 watts has been more than enough.
On the juice front it's been all-VG lightly flavored, home-made using no more than 10% FlavourArt flavoring. A few drops of 151 Rum per 10 ml will thin it and make it wick perfectly.
Took me a while to taper down but I'm happier without the nicotine, not that nicotine's evil, but because I get cold hands & feet (Raynaud's syndrome) from it.
Nothing is perfect, juice will always seep a bit, but the V4 is good enough. Haven't seen anything that significantly improves on it. I still like playing with coils and RDAs of various types.
If there's a Kayfun V5, and a V6, I'd love to see 'em ;-)
A Mark Bugs GEM will change your mind about that!
I promise you!
You'll thoroughly enjoy the GEM!
Hello,I have two kayfuns, one bought new from intaste.de and another bought yesterday second hand.The one from intaste was purcased on May 2015 and the other one in January 2015(the seller send me the bill).the chimneys are slighty different.Why is that?The one from intaste is bigger than the other..
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I have to look twice to make sure I'm on the right thread. It does say SvoeMesto Kayfun 4 correct? I won't buy a clone to save money and I'm not against saving money. Clone makers and sellers of clones are thieves in my book. They make a living on companies who do all the R&D and design and produce a product of high quality using high quality material.
While waiting on the KF5, I want to try other tanks. I've been looking at the Gem, the Calix, and the Cthulhu RTA V2(Can't pronounce it). Anyone try these? Looking for the most flavorful vape like the KF4. Hoping for better...
For those who purchase clones, they should thank those who purchase authentics.
I own Achilles clones (an RDA). They are titanium drippers and an outstanding dripper. I bought the clones only because the authentics were no longer available with no plans to make more. Some guy out of Ukraine who made them more as a hobby than a money making venture. I also understand those who tried to get authentics but always found them out of stock. It happens. I also bought a clone Plume Veil once (since gave it away as a PIF). I would never have bought an authentic Plume Veil. Just wasn't enough interest. But I spent $20 on a clone as a throw in while I was ordering other stuff. It was an afterthought more than a serious shopping event knowing I likely would not use it much (and I didn't). I can also appreciate those who bought an authentic and then subsequently purchased clones simply because it was all they could afford. As a blanket statement, I'm not against clones. But I also think patronizing the authentic makers should be a priority when possible.
That said, I am watching this clone discussion closely and as long as it stays civil I'm OK with it. If it starts getting ugly like it almost always does then I'm gonna have a mod shut it down. I get sick and tired of the clone/authentic wars getting out of hand. It's possible to state your feelings without infringing on other's beliefs. Sadly, that doesn't happen often in these discussions.
I own Achilles clones (an RDA). They are titanium drippers and an outstanding dripper. I bought the clones only because the authentics were no longer available with no plans to make more. Some guy out of Ukraine who made them more as a hobby than a money making venture. I also understand those who tried to get authentics but always found them out of stock. It happens. I also bought a clone Plume Veil once (since gave it away as a PIF). I would never have bought an authentic Plume Veil. Just wasn't enough interest. But I spent $20 on a clone as a throw in while I was ordering other stuff. It was an afterthought more than a serious shopping event knowing I likely would not use it much (and I didn't). I can also appreciate those who bought an authentic and then subsequently purchased clones simply because it was all they could afford. As a blanket statement, I'm not against clones. But I also think patronizing the authentic makers should be a priority when possible.
That said, I am watching this clone discussion closely and as long as it stays civil I'm OK with it. If it starts getting ugly like it almost always does then I'm gonna have a mod shut it down. I get sick and tired of the clone/authentic wars getting out of hand. It's possible to state your feelings without infringing on other's beliefs. Sadly, that doesn't happen often in these discussions.
You can do the same thing as me. I've been down this road too many times to count. I get sick and tired of threads being hijacked by people who want to battle over the same topic over and over and over with no end or no solution. So do the mods and they are more than happy to clean up the mess. I was a mod at one time myself and didn't put up with it either. It gets old. I made a thread for those who want to fight about clones vs authentics if you're interested.
Clone Versus Authentic Discussion
Bad idea. In which case much useful information also gets lost. It is wiser to request a mod to admonish the irritant members and 'delete' the unnecessary vociferous posts - but let the thread continue.
Q, I meant what you said. I'm gonna have the irritants shut down. Not the thread. You kno me better than that.
Having my Clone thread re-opened shortly. Threads get closed if inactive for three months.
True - unless it leaks! Which it does sometimes as though it's been shot a few hundred times!
Finicky but when you get it right, oh boy! Nothing comes close!
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That's kinda how the Gennies were when they swept the vape world. Excellent flavor but very finicky.
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