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I figure I can put one away and it takes away how much I use the others so they should last longer. I have been trying for 7 years to get a vape like this and find the flavors that are unmatched anywhere. I am more then satisfied with the SX m class and if its all I had to vape I would be happy. I'm sure there will be more advances but this is so easy and so good I also have 4 Kanthal only mods for back up an s class and 3 Provaris although I don't use them I have 6 attys built with the same nickel build all the same Kanger STM's although I am going to get 3 more of the newest ones. I will probably put 1 sx and 3 Kangers away so I will be set for many years of great vaping. Whether this law gets passed today or not, I kind of expect it to since it is a Democratic Bill and they have the majority. Enforcing it will be another thing. It won't take effect till Oct 1. I am not sure how they are going to make vendors charge the tax or for that matter to stop them from shipping to the state of WA. I expect to see Provape follow Mt.Baker in moving out of this state. It is a sad state of affairs here. Like a friend said they want to protect us from ourselves and they think they know best if there is money involve but I don't think the Non Vapers of this state understand what this will mean to the vaping community and we don't get a vote on it anyway.

Glad you got it covered mate

Do hope that ridiculous law is not passed too but similar tax has been added already in Portugal I do believe

& looks like the start of things to come in the Uk [EU] & the USA

Here alone there is over 2,000,000 vapers with an estimated average daily spend on smoking was £5 per day

That's £20,000,000 a day if correct with most of that being sin tax, value added tax [as they call it here] & profit as the Government have stakes in British Tobacco

Its a lot of revenue to be lost & am sure they will try to make it up any way they can, with vapers being an easy & most likely target
 

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I've had my Mini M class for 7 days...and already the paint is wearing off of the base. Already emailed Yihi about it.

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Unfortunately I think wear on the base is expected

As long as the C frame & cover stay in tact it will still look good :)
 

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I am just a little dismayed it started less than 7 days after I unboxed it. After a month or two? Ok, I can see that. And it doesn't even sit directly on the desk most of the time, it sits on one of my many Bad Drip microfiber coasters a lot of the time.

The silicon condoms are hideous.

As for Jwraps, heck no. Vaporskinz is my wrap of choice. :)
 

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Glad you got it covered mate

Do hope that ridiculous law is not passed too but similar tax has been added already in Portugal I do believe

& looks like the start of things to come in the Uk [EU] & the USA

Here alone there is over 2,000,000 vapers with an estimated average daily spend on smoking was £5 per day

That's £20,000,000 a day if correct with most of that being sin tax, value added tax [as they call it here] & profit as the Government have stakes in British Tobacco

Its a lot of revenue to be lost & am sure they will try to make it up any way they can, with vapers being an easy & most likely target
Only on e juice... 0.60€ per milliliter... A 100ml bottle is 60€ just in taxes.

The goal is to bring all local vape shops to bankruptcy so we can buy from stores in other eu countries. We are too rich anyway. Why keep money in the country right? :facepalm:

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Only on e juice... 0.60€ per milliliter... A 100ml bottle is 60€ just in taxes.

The goal is to bring all local vape shops to bankruptcy so we can buy from stores in other eu countries. We are too rich anyway. Why keep money in the country right? :facepalm:

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Just crazy what our elected will do to us when all we are looking for is a safer alternative

It wont encourage more smokers to switch

But maybe that is part of the plan :(
 

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This Wa state thing is being Rammed through because they go on their summer break the 15th I believe so the Democrats are ramming it in for a vote today. It seems like we should have a say on it but we don't. Waiting to hear the outcome. I think I am going to try to read the law but not sure if I can get through all 50 pages of it and see exactly what they have planned.
 

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This Wa state thing is being Rammed through because they go on their summer break the 15th I believe so the Democrats are ramming it in for a vote today. It seems like we should have a say on it but we don't. Waiting to hear the outcome. I think I am going to try to read the law but not sure if I can get through all 50 pages of it and see exactly what they have planned.

You can follow the bill's status here. It's currently scheduled for a vote at 11AM Pacific. The Republicans in the Washington Senate are against any tax increases this year, so it may die there.

HB 2211 - 2015-16
 
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I am just a little dismayed it started less than 7 days after I unboxed it. After a month or two? Ok, I can see that. And it doesn't even sit directly on the desk most of the time, it sits on one of my many Bad Drip microfiber coasters a lot of the time.

The silicon condoms are hideous.

As for Jwraps, heck no. Vaporskinz is my wrap of choice. :)
I've had my grey/silver SX Mini for two months now and it is always either standing on my desk or plopped into my car's cup holder. The bottom looks absolutely perfect. I don't know if this is just stainless steel or if there is a clearcoat on it, but I don't have a single scratch on the mod, not even on the grey painted side panels.
 

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I've had my grey/silver SX Mini for two months now and it is always either standing on my desk or plopped into my car's cup holder. The bottom looks absolutely perfect. I don't know if this is just stainless steel or if there is a clearcoat on it, but I don't have a single scratch on the mod, not even on the grey painted side panels.

I compared it to the aluminum bottom of my silver IPV4, I expect to see wear marks on that, as the the protection is pretty minimal. The finish is so nice on the rest of the M Class, I was just disappointed to see paint wear already. Oh well, I guess this means I am breaking it in. :)
 

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You can follow the bill's status here. It's currently scheduled for a vote at 11AM Pacific. The Republicans in the Washington Senate are against any tax increases this year, so it may die there.

HB 2211 - 2015-16
Thanks I'll be watching have a Dr. Appt at 130 though it's the last bill on the agenda
 

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I compared it to the aluminum bottom of my silver IPV4, I expect to see wear marks on that, as the the protection is pretty minimal. The finish is so nice on the rest of the M Class, I was just disappointed to see paint wear already. Oh well, I guess this means I am breaking it in. :)
Paint sucks...I wish Yihi would switch from zinc die castings to aluminum and hard anodize. My Vapor Flasks look like new after months...although they've been through 3 Evolv board changes.:) at least they are still pretty.
 

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All wires have some kind of residues from the manufacturing process and I wouldn't call "wiping down the wire with a tissue and isopropyl alcohol" serious cleaning. That's something we should do with any wire.

Yes, it is springy. Nothing a "blue coat" won't fix though. For the guys in the US, there are good alternatives. For guys in Europe it would be pretty stupid ordering from overseas just because of your pseudo review. There is nothing wrong with the wire.

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Sorry you didn't care for my pseudo review. I actually ordered the wire from Zipivf first (didn't mind paying the extra shipping costs). Below is a pic of what came off that wire with my non-serious cleaning method. It still tasted off. The stuff from Unkamen showed no residue and is far less springy. Whatever the extra shipping costs would be, it would be worth it IMO. Having used BOTH I thought an informed opinion would be welcome.
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Sorry you didn't care for my pseudo review. I actually ordered the wire from Zipivf first (didn't mind paying the extra shipping costs). Below is a pic of what came off that wire with my non-serious cleaning method. It still tasted off. The stuff from Unkamen showed no residue and is far less springy. Whatever the extra shipping costs would be, it would be worth it IMO. Having used BOTH I thought an informed opinion would be welcome.
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That's nasty looking. I love Unkamen wire but it's so easy to clean wire I don't think I'd want to take the time and money required to order it if it had to come form another continent. I'm just glad Unkamen is local for me.

I still give a little low temp pulse on my Unkamen Ti coils after all my cleaning and get a few wisps of smoke coming off them. Whatever the wire drawing lubricants are they are pretty resistant to mortal men cleaning 100% of everything off the wire it seems.

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Sorry you didn't care for my pseudo review. I actually ordered the wire from Zipivf first (didn't mind paying the extra shipping costs). Below is a pic of what came off that wire with my non-serious cleaning method. It still tasted off. The stuff from Unkamen showed no residue and is far less springy. Whatever the extra shipping costs would be, it would be worth it IMO. Having used BOTH I thought an informed opinion would be welcome.
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Although I admit that your black streaks look far worse than what I have here (maximum three grey streaks and then nothing more), one thing is stating an opinion, another completely different is raising alarming comments in capital letters stating DONT buy something.

Zivipf wires don't usually arrive like that and, like I said before, ordering from across the pond is not a valid option for many of us Europeans. Do you know that besides shipping costs, a package can be withheld for weeks in customs? If I would order something today from the US, besides the added cost, I would consider myself lucky to get the wire before August?

Anyway, zivipf isn't the only store in Europe selling Ti wire. There are other options in the UK and Greece before one has to order outside the EU.

I'm sure your recommended store is a great option for you Yankees :)

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If they could produce products of the same quality as other countries, why don't they? My hypotheses is that the cheap labor allows them to build three to get one right.

My industry is a bit different then e-cigs, but the Chinese product is bottom of the barrel. They are great at mass production, but not making a lasting product. They are willing to replace but not improve.

Many industries began before the industrial revolution. At that time, building something well was a must. It would take too much time to build another if the first went bad. China didn't experience that. They bought the machines to stamp out the products. So they came into the business in a different way. They need to limit the amount of metal in an item, or limit the amount of labor. Or use cheaper metal.

One example with the SX mini is the finish... Why not use a more durable finish? That's one consistency I've seen in Chinese anodizing/finishing. It's constantly bad.

Now, it's very unlikely an American company could make it cheaper. But, I can guarantee they could make it better. The problem is that once they do they Chinese will knock it off and sell a clone. That's why they deserve the same.

Well, what you experience is a product of two things.

Chinese companies that want to stay in business have to cater to the buyers, that is usually a western company that shops their orders around on a price basis. Once western consumers have been numbed to the horrendous quality, so what if the return rate is very high, we'll still make money. Gotta keep the investors happy you know.

The American industrial base isn't what it once was. Find an American made electric motor for example. I doubt if you can. What I'm getting at here is that once you don't produce things for years, the knowledge goes away. Plus the factories don't exist. Ask Motorola, they couldn't even assemble mobile phones in the US, no experience in the workforce for such things.

So, you're going to find that more and more the US is a raw material country, not a manufacturer. One thing that will do and has already done in many cases is the design will not be US/western either. If you don't build things, you soon find that you don't really understand how to make them. If you don't understand how to make them, you won't be able to design them.

Seagate and many others started down this path years ago and got little blowback. Now, you buy something and shake the dice. Can you name a few US made items that you bought in the last few years?

I'm way unhappy about my finish on the SXMini, but Yihi will make it right.
 

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Tony, I didn't realize that ordering from "across the pond" presented difficulties beyond the additional cost. Sorry to hear that. I like Zivipv and have ordered wire from them many times. The Ti I received was, well let's just say, not good! Granted I probably over stated my case about not ordering from them, but if what I received is indicative of the Ti they sell, I'd seriously look elsewhere. The difference between the two "types" of Grade 1 Ti is like day and night. What Unkamen sells is acid washed I believe. It is commonly used for jewelry. Perhaps there is a source of similar Ti somewhere on your side of the pond. ;)
 

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Well, what you experience is a product of two things.

Chinese companies that want to stay in business have to cater to the buyers, that is usually a western company that shops their orders around on a price basis. Once western consumers have been numbed to the horrendous quality, so what if the return rate is very high, we'll still make money. Gotta keep the investors happy you know.

The American industrial base isn't what it once was. Find an American made electric motor for example. I doubt if you can. What I'm getting at here is that once you don't produce things for years, the knowledge goes away. Plus the factories don't exist. Ask Motorola, they couldn't even assemble mobile phones in the US, no experience in the workforce for such things.

So, you're going to find that more and more the US is a raw material country, not a manufacturer. One thing that will do and has already done in many cases is the design will not be US/western either. If you don't build things, you soon find that you don't really understand how to make them. If you don't understand how to make them, you won't be able to design them.

Seagate and many others started down this path years ago and got little blowback. Now, you buy something and shake the dice. Can you name a few US made items that you bought in the last few years?

I'm way unhappy about my finish on the SXMini, but Yihi will make it right.
Very well stated I think. Kudos! I'm beginning to think the US is hell bent on becoming a third world country again in it's rush to chase a quick buck both in the corporate and the personal sense. As someone who was involved with a high tech American company years ago I watched it degrade over time to less than a shell of what it was. We don't even seem to care if our infrastructure goes to hell. Sad for someone who has seen it both ways in the US.

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I've had my Mini M class for 7 days...and already the paint is wearing off of the base. Already emailed Yihi about it.

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It's legit and so are they, I received my all black one from them this morning, their shipping is ultra fast and they are an extremely reputable company.

I hate to say told you so, but I had made a couple of posts that I had heard yihi only made the finish change to all the models with black about 2-3 weeks ago. And it was important to ask your dealer when they received their units. That would not happen with the newer black -- whether on the cover or frame.

I was contemplating picking up an all black, but between them being old style and worse, that large gap where the cover meets the frame, I'll just hold off with my black skin until my Boxer arrives.
 

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Well, what you experience is a product of two things.

Chinese companies that want to stay in business have to cater to the buyers, that is usually a western company that shops their orders around on a price basis. Once western consumers have been numbed to the horrendous quality, so what if the return rate is very high, we'll still make money. Gotta keep the investors happy you know.

The American industrial base isn't what it once was. Find an American made electric motor for example. I doubt if you can. What I'm getting at here is that once you don't produce things for years, the knowledge goes away. Plus the factories don't exist. Ask Motorola, they couldn't even assemble mobile phones in the US, no experience in the workforce for such things.

So, you're going to find that more and more the US is a raw material country, not a manufacturer. One thing that will do and has already done in many cases is the design will not be US/western either. If you don't build things, you soon find that you don't really understand how to make them. If you don't understand how to make them, you won't be able to design them.

Seagate and many others started down this path years ago and got little blowback. Now, you buy something and shake the dice. Can you name a few US made items that you bought in the last few years?

I'm way unhappy about my finish on the SXMini, but Yihi will make it right.

Well said.

One other point. The American working in this type of industry is almost certain to be union. $20+/hr, insurance, days off, etc… and brings the labor costs to where no company can compete with the competition. Factor in, that they don’t feel like working on a Monday or Friday, Wednesday they are too tired, just leaves Tuesday and Thursday for quality products.

The Chinese won’t even make in a week what an American makes in a hour! There’s NO way to compete with that. Why companies such as Apple (that have all the money imaginable) still assemble their products there.

Their QC is NON-existant - at least in most industries. They simply do not believe in throwing anything out (How many Black units do you think they shipped even after KNOWING there were finish problems). When you have a mod that can’t cost more then $20 to produce and sell it for 6-8 times that, what’s the big deal if you need to take 1 out of 20 back? They factor that into their price. Don’t know how the dealers work with them on warranties, but i’d almost be certain to guess they don’t ship them back. Shipping costs would be MORE than the unit cost to make.

What they are missing in the QC, they just don’t get. Throwing out that occasional bad unit will cost them way less in the long run than having consumers 100% satisfied and all the sales that come from that happy consumer showing and boasting to their friends. When they do finally figure that part out, watch out! They will take over the world!
 
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Tony, I didn't realize that ordering from "across the pond" presented difficulties beyond the additional cost. Sorry to hear that. I like Zivipv and have ordered wire from them many times. The Ti I received was, well let's just say, not good! Granted I probably over stated my case about not ordering from them, but if what I received is indicative of the Ti they sell, I'd seriously look elsewhere. The difference between the two "types" of Grade 1 Ti is like day and night. What Unkamen sells is acid washed I believe. It is commonly used for jewelry. Perhaps there is a source of similar Ti somewhere on your side of the pond. ;)

I use Zivipv Grade 1 Ti

Yes its dirty but all wire is , the quality I cant grumble about though

Ran a tank full through a coil I built last night & checked it today

Still clean & shiny as though I had just dripped a couple of times on it
 
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