SXmini M Class (TEMP CONTROL)

[dr g]

Would love to know where you're getting this information

Joules are defined as watts*seconds. So they signify a set quantity of energy, 30J is 30 watts for 1 second. Or 60 watts for .5 seconds. But the board does not know ahead of time how long you will depress the button for, so the joule figure is inherently inaccurate without time control.

Instantaneous wattage is the appropriate display, and the wattage setting is like a wattage limit similar to a temperature limit.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

Joules are defined as watts*seconds. So they signify a set quantity of energy, 30J is 30 watts for 1 second. Or 60 watts for .5 seconds. But the board does not know ahead of time how long you will depress the button for, so the joule figure is inherently inaccurate.

Instantaneous wattage is the appropriate display, and the wattage setting is like a wattage limit similar to a temperature limit.

I know what a joule is.... I'm asking you cite where and how you know what the board is actually doing.

 

[dr g]

I know what a joule is.... I'm asking you cite where and how you know what the board is actually doing.

Oh, there is no other thing it can be doing that would make joules accurate. Try coming up with a way.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

Oh, there is no other thing it can be doing that would make joules accurate. Try coming up with a way.

Considering ive had it for a exactly a week. And don't have the proper test gear I wont speculate on what another team of engineers is doing. I'd rather enjoy the products of there labor and wait until I see graphs and charts before speaking to it.
I wont speak with certainty until I can back up my claims.

 

[Edward Aiz]

I already own the Yihi SX Mini M Class SX 350 (I am on a waiting list at Vspot Vapes for the 350J). For any serious vapor, this device is an absolute must have. I have the Vapor Shark rDNA 40 yet I have found that the Yihi 350 outperforms the Vapor Shark on all levels especially the temperature control. Plus the screen so easily readable also it reads joules (which took some time to understand). The unit reads down to 0.1 ohm (I have yet to go down that far...my builds are usually 0.2 to 0.6). And the unit is upgradeable via software flash (so cool). I paid $192 for the unit but in the long run it will be worth every penny. All my rda(s) - I have 14 - fit flush on the unit. Only thing I had to get used to was the gravity sensor because the device has to be held at a certain angle or else it flips too easily. All in all, this is a great little unit. I can't wait for the 350 J - it's hard to imagine that the unit I have now could ever get better but with the information I have researched it appears like it has.

 

[retird]

Hahahah!!!! Guessing that's akin to the multiple variations of the ipv3.... Charge port, plugged chargeport...no chargeport.
I started after the ce4s were out and got away from clearos on my first pack of kanger coils. 2 out of 5 worked, so I went to rbas really quick. Now I'm back on clearos.
How ironic

LOL.... I never liked clearo's either and now I'm using clearo tanks with nickel coils.... go figure....

 

[Fir3b1rd]

LOL.... I never liked clearo's either and now I'm using clearo tanks with nickel coils.... go figure....

The circle of vaping!!!
hahahahah

 

[peraspera]

yep.... I know of a person that has used beta Atlantis nickel's for a while now but why they are holding back I have no idea....maybe they want it to be just right when they release them... hope so...seldom is anything exactly right when it is new vaping stuff....always seems updates are needed.... remembering back to the CE days... CE1, CE2, CE3, CE4....etc....

Someone posted that they got an email from Brandon at Evolve indicating that they designed a clearo head that doesn't have the hot legs that tend to plague pre-made coils. Evolve is sharing the design with manufacturers. Perhaps Aspire is working on ironing out that issue before going to full production?

 

[Fir3b1rd]

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There are multiple variables involved and quite frankly I have an idea as to what its actually doing; but, again, without empirical evidence or supporting documentation I will not speak to another engineering teams work.
All i will say out loud is they did a phenomenal Job and that's what I care about right now.

 

[dr g]

There are multiple variables involved and quite frankly I have an idea as to what its actually doing; but, again, without empirical evidence or supporting documentation I will not speak to another engineering teams work.
All i will say out loud is they did a phenomenal Job and that's what I care about right now.

Don't even relate it to this board, come up with ANY way joules is accurate for a random firing duration. There is none. That's why I can say that and be confident it applies to ANY way this board works.

 

[a tez]

Someone posted that they got an email from Brandon at Evolve indicating that they designed a clearo head that doesn't have the hot legs that tend to plague pre-made coils. Evolve is sharing the design with manufacturers. Perhaps Aspire is working on ironing out that issue before going to full production?

I spoke to Brandon on the phone about this. He said they were working really well already when we spoke over a month ago. Hopefully they come out soon because I will buy those with the new Atlantis.

 

[retird]

I bet if you set your device to 30 watts 200 deg with a 1 ohm load you will not measure 30 watts. Which would make it incorrect method to use watts to begin with on temperature limiting devices.

Yihi is measuring watts / sec "joules" which is variable with temperature limiting and would be a correct method.

I'm relatively certain your aware of this so I'm not sure why you come to this thread with the smear campaign.

Your explanation interests me.... so can I assume you think that in power mode wattage (power) is measured (variable wattage) and in temperature mode joules (energy) is measured (variable joules) thus the board has two distinct and different technologies built into it? Or am I not understanding what you are saying? Or could it be that wattage is being used for both and a routine calculates watts into joules and just displays it as joules?

I ask only because I have no idea how Yihi measures anything and have no clue to their internal design... and want your take on how it works.... thx

Someone posted that they got an email from Brandon at Evolve indicating that they designed a clearo head that doesn't have the hot legs that tend to plague pre-made coils. Evolve is sharing the design with manufacturers. Perhaps Aspire is working on ironing out that issue before going to full production?

That explanation makes sense since the hot legs seems to be an obsticle needing to be overcome.... and kinda fits with what I'm seeing between the Kanger coils and the Aspire Nautilus coils....Kangers have long hot legs about the same length (horizontal coil) where Aspire Nautilus have one leg longer than the other (vertical coil) thus the Kanger works at a lower temperature.... or at least that's my take on it...

 

[Fir3b1rd]

Don't even relate it to this board, come up with ANY way joules is accurate for a random firing duration. There is none. That's why I can say that and be confident it applies to ANY way this board works.

Ethically I wont even say what I think on this board. I will wait until there are facts displayed.
Several people without a background or education in electronics and physics see this. I would prefer to not be responsible for causing confusion or misinformation.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

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Yes case closed. I wont speak without being able to back up what I say with facts

 

[Vlad1]

No, with temperature control there is no fixed time element for any given wattage, it is constantly varying and inherently optional. The most that can be said is what the instantaneous wattage is, so it is inappropriate to use joules. If you set your device to 30joules, 200 degrees with a thin wire, you will not measure 30 joules either, unless you lose control of the time element, i.e. it fires without the button being depressed. I'm pretty sure people would notice that.

I'm honestly not sure if your trolling or you are unaware. You obviously do know that the use of watts to be incorrect since "it is constantly varying" with temperature limiting making whatever wattage setting you set meaningless.

Now I think the disconnect is you are expecting a 30 watt setting to deliver 30 watts just as you expect a 30 joules/s setting to deliver 30 joules/s.

I believe the joule setting in the SXmini m to be just that, a setting that the device takes into "consideration" not a static setting like watts on other devices and attempts to deliver up to that limit and only until it reaches it's temperature limiting at which point it will cut back or limit it's joules / sec "watts" hence also reducing the heat to the coil all the while measuring it's joules / sec output over the time the fire switch is depressed. This is something that can and is measured on the Sxmini m in the cumulative joule usage and probably elsewhere. This is what would make joules the correct method of measure while using temperature limiting.

Obviously no one will know in depth of how the joules are used until someone can breakout the hardware and firmware and go through it line by line. But it's an extremely far stretch to continue with the attempted smear campaign of Patent infringements when you've obviously have not been through the code or hardware to understand what they may or may not be doing. Leave that up to the business owners.

 

[dam718]

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From an outsiders perspective it looks like someone avoiding an argument by making statements they can't back up with scientific evidence. Arguing for the sake of argument is counterproductive. Argument backed up with facts and evidence is far more beneficial for the audience (us). And you continuing to fish for a response from him is what is known as a textbook example of "trolling", which isn't really something that any online community enjoys.

 

[dr g]

I'm honestly not sure if your trolling or you are unaware. You obviously do know that the use of watts to be incorrect since "it is constantly varying" with temperature limiting making whatever wattage setting you set meaningless.

Now I think the disconnect is you are expecting a 30 watt setting to deliver 30 watts just as you expect a 30 joules/s setting to deliver 30 joules/s.

Wait, are you saying the Joules setting really means joules per second?

 

[Vlad1]

@Retird

I replied to Dr G with my perception of the difference's in how the SXmini m is using joules.

 

[Vlad1]

Wait, are you saying the Joules setting really means joules per second?

No I think that's what you believe.

As I stated
I believe the joule setting in the SXmini m to be just that, a setting that the device takes into "consideration" not a static setting like watts on other devices

 

[JimScotty0]

Thanks for trying to provide me with an answer though, really appreciate it.

I have an 8 wrap 28awg, 2.5mm ID, spaced ofc, came out at 0.079. It vapes perfectly, not gonna lie, i drained my tank yesterday and kept on vaping and vaping with zero issues until it hit "dry coil".

I'm vaping at 18J and 215C, I was just curious if by pressing just the button without drawing if it should take 2 secs to reach the temp because it does, but if I'm drawing it might not even be reaching it, who knows.

This is the build btw:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/p3v1zgxryi...55~01.jpg?dl=0

It is a beautiful thing!