I REALLY don't want to step into this conversation, because I don't understand half of it, and I'm just not that interested....
However, saying that "people can not even get a kanger occ @ 0.015 to work" is simply incorrect.
I use a Kanger occ, set to 450F and 36J, and it works great, excellent flavor and my cotton doesn't burn... not sure if you're saying it doesn't work in some other way, but to ME, if I get an excellent vape, good flavor and good clouds, and I can vape until the tank is bone dry and not burn the cotton, that, TO ME... is working.
Does the temp jump above the 450F I set it to? Yeah, on occasion. Do I give a rat's ***? No. It delivers a great, warm vape and I don't have to worry about burnt cotton.
Period. End of sentence.
Shell, I did not say it doesn't "work".... I said "properly". My point, which is DIRECTLY from yihi, the further away from the 0.065 baseline you go the LESS accurate your device will be. All that is important here is you are enjoying your new mod with those coils. It is working accurately enough for you and that's the key. But try building the RBA section with the suggested wraps I said, and chime back in with the difference you see instantly.
11:00 of this video....PB talks about temperature...
People...are you watching this video? Or just commenting as
@jazzvaper states...
"use the device you prefer at its optimal settings, the way it was designed, not the way you "wish" it were designed."
dannyben, I don't mean to stoke the fire or anything, but...
Don't you think that if the SXmini can baseline itself as low as .05 Ohms, and has an operating temp from 212F to 572F that it is "Calibrated" to sense the temperature coefficient of resistance of Ni200 through the entire range of resistance between .05 Ohms and whatever the resistance value is at 572F? I mean, the thing has the entire spectrum of values programmed right into it. WE are the ones calibrating the device by telling it to set the initial resistance value. It knows what it's own temp is, and assumes that the temp of the coil matches it's on board sensor, and then boom, baseline calibration set. The TCR curve does not change because it started at .19 ohms as opposed to .065. Unless you are suggesting that YiHi has altered the laws of physics, then your argument holds little weight. I think it was you that mentioned that the TCR is not linear, and that is certainly true. It is, however, well documented and very predictable well above 572F, so as much as you'd like to believe the SXmini M Class can only perform optimally at a baseline resistance value of .065 Ohms, the real truth is, that as long as you set a baseline that does not exceed the maximum resistance it has in its on board programming for the TCR curve at max temp (which would be the resistance delta from the baseline value) then it will work as advertised with a ballpark level of accuracy. And that accuracy is only as solid as the TCR curve it has programmed.
I think the reason none of us are buying your argument is because we understand the scientific principles at work here. I'm truly not trying to be rude, but I think your understanding of these principles may be a bit cloudy. Nothing to be ashamed of, and I hope you don't get upset over it. Try to see past YiHi's recommendation and look at the science behind it. I have some guesses as to why YiHi made that recommendation, which probably has more to do with battery efficiency and power production than temperature accuracy.
Are you describing how you'd "LIKE" the device to operate or how it does? Sorry, and i too do not want to stroke your fire or get into this any further, but the device does not work this way.
I could reset a scale, set it to zero, get on it and be pretty accurate. But then bring it to the moon. zero it there and then be off about 84%. Because the resistance (gravity) is different there and the scale is not programed to sense that difference.
I am not suggesting anything here. Simply passing on information given to me from yihi. I even sent you a link where it is in print right on their website. You see the results hooked up to a $10K FLIR, but yet you want to describe how you'd like the device to work rather then how it actually does. And you see pages and pages of posts here all from people stating things like, their device doesnt ever hit the temp they set it for, they are fooling their device and setting temps 100 degree lower, the vape feels much hotter then the actual reading, etc.... And you know whats in common there? They are all using higher builds. This device is absolutely amazing and the best device I have ever owned. When i have the proper build on it. Have you seen one post in this forum from someone complaining of the issues I just mentioned about using a built under 0.09?
And sometimes I believe we can over think what is, is. Nothing is that exact. What I know is my cotton is not being burned at the temperature I am setting: 350-400 degrees, depending upon the coil I am using. The SX mini m class works for me and I hope it works for you.
Cotton does not burn (actually char) until 410 degrees. so setting your device to 350, you can still be off as much as 17% without burning your cotton. Don't believe the information i am passing on DIRECTLY from yihi or the FLIR results of PB..... put a build of 0.30 on your mini, calibrate it and set it to 350. watch it burn.
You need to understand the Flir is using a focal point for the sensor detection whereas the device is using the average of the complete coil. The Flir is only a representation not an overall way to measure the actual temperature or resistance of the coil. You may notice that as it's moved up and down the coil it may vary a couple hundred degrees. That doesn't mean the device is 40% inaccurate.
The FLIR is not accurate for measuring temperature? Really? No one ever stated anything about resistance. Watch his video again. His first setup is exactly the 10% variance i stated before watching it. And I bet he is pretty close to the 0.065ohm suggested on that tank. Watch what happens next when he uses other tanks and how it is ALL OVER the place. Obviously built much higher then the suggested 0.065. You see the proof right there in video, but yet still making an argument?
Is it normal? This kind of bickering? Is like almost at each other's throats.. ;( I'm new here too.. And sometime I feel bad when is like hating one another when we should be helping...
It shouldn't be. This is a helping community. Not sure why everyone is jumping on me when all i have done is try and correct pages of misinformation given & pass on the proper information directly from yihi and displayed in real true accurate tests. Silly Pythagoras for pointing out the earth was really round, when everyone was perfectly fine accepting that it was flat....and hey, it only took about 2000 years for people to believe him.
Ive used my mini @ up to 0.15 and saw the differences immediately when i re-built to 0.071 (STM) & 0.068 (Lemo2). And i will bet that not one who disagrees with me, the FLIR and yihi have even tried to use the device @ close to the 0.065 build suggested -- not by me, but by the manufacturer.
After 5 or 6 charges it has gone from 14,000j to 16k average. I think if it was genuine it would do better according to reports. It works fine in the SX just don't last.
