SXmini M Class (TEMP CONTROL)

[druckle]

I was speaking with an engineer for a helicopter company just the other day about Chinese manufacturing. They can't afford to even consider buying Chinese aluminum parts. There is no telling what will show up after they order it. And IME, no product is immune no matter how many lives depend on it.

If your old company wanted to move it's production to China, they could definitely find someone to sign off on those changes. People may die, but at least they're a world away. Congress isn't going to haul in a Chinese plant owner to testify.

But, I do agree that American management is what brought this on. They wanted Cheaper, and that's what China was good at. They just had no idea how cheap it could be made. Some learned, some went out of business. The Chinese unanimously benefited.

Both my Toyota and Lexus were built in the USA. I'll be damned if I ever buy a Chinese car.

It's not about manufacturing capability...it's about management decisions. No doubt there are Chinese managers who haven't gotten the message the Japanese got, but...then there are those who not only got the message but are producing superior products.

BTW your Toyota and Lexus were designed in Japan. I expect they are produced in America because Japanese labor has increased substantially in cost and it's cheaper not to have to ship a car half way around the world.. Just my guess.

 

[HolmanGT]

Yeah I got that mate

Maybe my wording was wrong

OK so you guys got me back in but just long enough to say that this subject is and can be a lot more complicated than it might appear on the surface.

The wrong choice of a word or the perception of the wrong word can really make the whole conversation go into overtime. Such are the problems with Techy subjects. Hmmm... problems, actually it is probably the norm and we end up spending more time correcting terminology than debating the topic.

 

[ATylerRose]

Yeah, InTaste recently added stock of more VTC5s, and while they are in Germany, they are at least a reputable vendor if people really want to get some. I would be leery of ordering VTC5s anywhere besides a well known shop, the slight bump in shipping is worth the piece of mind, lol

That's probably what I need then. I ordered both LG HE2's and the Sony VTC4's from RTD when I first got my Flask since there was the battery compartment restriction size and that's all that seemed to fit. I should have tried the HE4's but wasn't sure if they were the same. Thanks for the info.


OooHhh 4 "The Love of vaping"

 

[PapaPro]

I best stop now or my head will explode as this starts to look like power factor correction

But just to taste the water

With a lower amp draw due to higher voltage would you not get less voltage drop than what you would with a lower voltage drawing more amps

As in amps cause volt drop, volt drop causes amp draw increase which causes further volt drop & on & on until equilibrium is reached with the resistance

Thus another reason you may see better battery life with series

What complicates things is how the device controls the voltage (I have no idea about this tech). But what I can tell you is we used dedicated contolers that were very efficient. When we used a seires set-up, the tourque went up and top speed So in vaping terms I would think that should give better (less) v-sag. But it is very inefficient. For lower watts, parallel is the way to go. George is right there.

I am no expert on ecig tech. But do just happen to have done a lot of battery testing. There maybe some reason why e-cig devices are very inefficient? I don't know.

 

[Quantum Mech]

OK so you guys got me back in but just long enough to say that this subject is and can be a lot more complicated than it might appear on the surface.

The wrong choice of a word or the perception of the wrong word can really make the whole conversation go into overtime. Such are the problems with Techy subjects. Hmmm... problems, actually it is probably the norm and we end up spending more time correcting terminology than debating the topic.

As per my new signature

Every days a school day here

Never stop learning & ironing out any misconceptions I have until that final day comes

 

[footbag]

It's not about manufacturing capability...it's about management decisions. No doubt there are Chinese managers who haven't gotten the message the Japanese got, but...then there are those who not only got the message but are producing superior products.

BTW your Toyota and Lexus were designed in Japan. I expect they are produced in America because Japanese labor has increased substantially in cost and it's cheaper not to have to ship a car half way around the world.. Just my guess.

In some ways that depends on where the buck stops. If you make a deal with someone and he rips you off, is it your fault for being stupid or is it his fault for ripping you off? I'm of the opinions that it's your fault for being stupid. So, yes. It's a management issue. That said, it was a nice world when you could shake someones hand and get what you paid for. Even better, they would keep your trade secrets.

Yes. I know where Toyota and Lexus are designed. You can design anything anywhere. But, if your manufacturer is unscrupulous, you're in trouble.

 

[dr g]

It's not about manufacturing capability...it's about management decisions. No doubt there are Chinese managers who haven't gotten the message the Japanese got, but...then there are those who not only got the message but are producing superior products.

I cannot think of a single example of this in any industry. China does not do superior products. It does cheap products.

 

[druckle]

I cannot think of a single example of this in any industry. China does not do superior products. It does cheap products.

Does your opinion apply to Shanghai Maglev? ......Or to the American ecig mod makers who are about to abandon American to go Chinese because they can't tolerate the failure rates?

 

[ATylerRose]

WOW! that was fast.

Don't you just love this place?

Oh do I. That was exactly what I needed to know about the battery now will the HE4's fit in the Flask the same as the HE'2?


OooHhh 4 "The Love of Vaping"

 

[footbag]

Does your opinion apply to Shanghai Maglev? ......Or to the American ecig mod makers who are about to abandon American to go Chinese because they can't tolerate the failure rates?

Probably not, because the Meglev was built in Germany. The track was built in China, though.

 

[dr g]

Does your opinion apply to Shanghai Maglev? ......Or to the American ecig mod makers who are about to abandon American to go Chinese because they can't tolerate the failure rates?

Modders can make the wrong decisions if they like, but China has never turned out a superior modding product. That's just not what they do.

They make things for other people, and try to undercut them by going cheaper and crappier.

Probably not, because the Meglev was built in Germany. The track was built in China, though.

That was like druckles in a barrel.

 

[druckle]

Probably not, because the Meglev was built in Germany. The track was built in China, though.

The published information indicates it was a joint development between Chinese and German companies with key core components from Transrapid unnder a limited technology transfer agreement with China. The first Chinese-built four-car vehicle containing German core components and technology went into service in January 2011.[17]

 

[druckle]

Modders can make the wrong decisions if they like, but China has never turned out a superior modding product. That's just not what they do.

They make things for other people, and try to undercut them by going cheaper and crappier.



That was like druckles in a barrel.

Sorry dr g but you are wrong on that one.
As the Bristish say...."Wait for it" it won't be long.

 

[RebelGolfer72]

one thing I KNOW the Chinese built better than the Germans...walls. The Berlin Wall didn't even last 30 years...the Great Wall of China has stood for 2000 years!

 

[footbag]

The published information indicates it was a joint development between Chinese and German companies with key core components from Transrapid unnder a limited technology transfer agreement with China. The first Chinese-built four-car vehicle containing German core components and technology went into service in January 2011.[17]

The contractors, Siemens and ThyssenKrupp were not Chinese companies. They built the Meglev.

The Chinese contractors built the track. My guess, the limited technology transfer was a way to prevent the Chinese from stealing the technology.

But, we're not talking about where something was designed, we're talking about where it was built.

I'm not immediately disregarding your point that there isn't a product the Chinese couldn't build better. I'm just pressing my brain to figure out a single example.

EDIT: BTW I posted in this thread to be TALKED INTO buying the SX Mini M-class. With e-cigs, good enough quality is good enough for me.

 

[Taowulf]

The contractors, Siemens and ThyssenKrupp were not Chinese companies. They built the Meglev.

The Chinese contractors built the track. My guess, the limited technology transfer was a way to prevent the Chinese from stealing the technology.

But, we're not talking about where something was designed, we're talking about where it was built.

I'm not immediately disregarding your point that there isn't a product the Chinese couldn't build better. I'm just pressing my brain to figure out a single example.

EDIT: BTW I posted in this thread to be TALKED INTO buying the SX Mini M-class. With e-cigs, good enough quality is good enough for me.

Of the 4 regulated devices I am using, it is the best quality out of the 4. I only have one gripe with it so far and that is more due to the tank I was having an issue with.

Was that what you are looking for?

 

[footbag]

Of the 4 regulated devices I am using, it is the best quality out of the 4. I only have one gripe with it so far and that is more due to the tank I was having an issue with.

Was that what you are looking for?

Yup! But at $199, it may take a few more. How much longer do the attys last in Temp control mode? Is it realistic to expect I'll go through a lot fewer attys?

 

[Yozhik]

Quantum,

Not really so wrong if you did pull half the current thru the coil the could mean the voltage was also halved. No problem with that except it you like a 20 watt vape a 10 watt vape may be a little on the lean side.

Seriously - I am going to search this and I will most definitely post back if I am able to find a reasonable explanation. Actually I will post back even if I fail.

Active rectification is much more efficient with low current and high voltage as compared to high current and low voltage. Thus, if you need 160W from a hypothetical 4V battery, it's better to ask for 20A at 8V from a series configuration to input into the rectifier than 40A at 4V from the parallel configuration. One can make a high efficiency active rectifier for high currents, but the design is going to be more complicated and the component cost higher (not to mention ancillary issues, such as heat, from using twice the current in the device), so why bother?

 

[Quantum Mech]

I posted in this thread to be TALKED INTO buying the SX Mini M-class. With e-cigs, good enough quality is good enough for me.

I like mine so much , have ordered another
Does exactly what it claims to with no glitches [now]
Couple of teething issues that I did not even notice were fixed with a simple update

I have noticed though that it seems to be more stable on maintaining the temp since updating
Before it would shoot quite a bit past and below limiting temp setting
Now it just hovers around it better & vapour production is more consistent

I switched to Titanium after a few coils in Ni200 & that works really good too
Coils don't have to be so big & stay cleaner longer with no metal taste atall

 

[footbag]

I like mine so much , have ordered another
Does exactly what it claims to with no glitches [now]
Couple of teething issues that I did not even notice were fixed with a simple update

I have noticed though that it seems to be more stable on maintaining the temp since updating
Before it would shoot quite a bit past and below limiting temp setting
Now it just hovers around it better & vapour production is more consistent

I switched to Titanium after a few coils in Ni200 & that works really good too
Coils don't have to be so big & stay cleaner longer with no metal taste atall

Thanks. This is more general temp control, but why is it people say they don't like the Ni coils? Is it just tough to build or is it a flavor thing? I'd probably be going Atlantis, with the Ni prebuilt coils.

Also, does any US vendor stock them? Maybe one with an ECF coupon code?