SXmini M Class (TEMP CONTROL)

[nic_fix]

the joke is companies like evolve would fair better in the "dry herb" market anyways. it could become contraband like drugs but people that want it have no problem obtaining it. then the question would be do you want to do something that is against the law and could land you in a court room. even if nicotine became schedule one, which is doubtful a pharmacist will still have it on the shelf. not many pharmacists will engage in that but other routes will sprout up everywhere. anyways, our government is actually logical. they are just not going to classify nicotine as a narcotic. then they would have to ban analogs. for obvious reasons they would not do that. however if they did go so far as to ban analogs that is a win in my book. guys, this is not a serious addiction. we could all stop really. amphetamine for instance is a much more serious addiction. that, is really nasty stuff and dealt with by law enforcement accordingly. as a (retired) attorney and former prosecutor I am betting they might put regulations but it will never be classified as narcotics. certainly not banned narcotics. it is in fact not even a narcotic. don't even worry if that happened attorneys will have a huge class action on this. they go where there is money to be made. it is possible a rx will be required. then, pretty much any former smoker would have no problem obtaining one. this is way below marijuana on the list and simply is not a narcotic. nonetheless, it could get regulated in some manner. I, for one am not very worried about the outcome of these hearings. in fact it remains likely nothing at all changes. if they regulate the quality of e juice that is to our benefit in fact. that is all that really might happen. more difficult for vendors but on our end not much shall change. keep calm and vape.

sorry this comment comes a little late in the conversation. I thought as someone versed in litigation I might as well chime in.

I also want to mention now my dna200 died and the sxm still works. the sxm has outlived every single mod I have owned. even mechs. it looks horrid but simply does not quit. with the latest firmware they even brought it up to current standards.

 

[GeorgeS]

It's not working because it doesn't appear to be true NiFe52 and the TCR value won't work. Try changing the TCR to .00145 and it might work, although it may jump out of TC.

I don't think YiHi SX350J's posses the "jump out of TC" feature.

My plan when I get home is to start with a spaced coil, find the TCR using the water test and go from there. With both ohms mm2/m, measured TCR and the Kanthal Nethal52 data sheet ask Ralph when is he going to ship the wire I ordered?

 

[JimScotty0]

I don't think YiHi SX350J's posses the "jump out of TC" feature.

My plan when I get home is to start with a spaced coil, find the TCR using the water test and go from there. With both ohms mm2/m, measured TCR and the Kanthal Nethal52 data sheet ask Ralph when is he going to ship the wire I ordered?

I am curious to see what number you come up with for the TCR value using the water test. My testing came out to be .00114 with the 26ga wire, but I have not used my 24ga or 28ga yet. Those could be completely different for all we know. I might give the 24ga a try next or even try to twist it with some 28ga Ti. The reason I got the 28ga NeinFethal was either to twist it with something so maybe with some 26ga Ti.

 

[Dudditz]

You might want to read my NienFethal wire testing experiment on the "TC beyond Ni200: Nickel Purity, Dicodes; Ti, SS, Resistherm NiFe30; Coefficient of Resistance" topic thread.
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/f...t-of-resistance.676506/page-133#post-16801760

JimScotty, great information there, thanks for sharing.

 

[PapaPro]

I am curious to see what number you come up with for the TCR value using the water test. My testing came out to be .00114 with the 26ga wire, but I have not used my 24ga or 28ga yet. Those could be completely different for all we know. I might give the 24ga a try next or even try to twist it with some 28ga Ti. The reason I got the 28ga NeinFethal was either to twist it with something so maybe with some 26ga Ti.

Jim, so should we use 00114 for 26guage Ni 48? I am playing around with that now. It seems to get a little funky and darkens after a dry burn. Not sure but maybe ni200 is our best bet as our M Class's were designed for that wire.

Great to get some feedback on the best wire for our M Class's. I think Ni 48 is gunking more but not sure.

Good stuff

 

[jazzvaper]

@PapaPro @JimScotty0 is talking about the unknown wire from Unkamen, not Zivipf NiFe48.

Based on TCR he has been trying to pin down the unknown wire. Got it?

 

[PapaPro]

I seeeeee... me dumb dumb today.

Thanks my friend and sorry all

 

[GeorgeS]

I am curious to see what number you come up with for the TCR value using the water test. My testing came out to be .00114 with the 26ga wire, but I have not used my 24ga or 28ga yet. Those could be completely different for all we know. I might give the 24ga a try next or even try to twist it with some 28ga Ti. The reason I got the 28ga NeinFethal was either to twist it with something so maybe with some 26ga Ti.

JimScotty0 - my results were similar to yours at least once I figured out that I needed to wrap the wet cotton around the coil legs so I did not get "hot legs" and all.

I did not however dig as deep as you. I simply took 26AWG off the spool and wound it on a screw. Pretty springy (and stiff) stuff! It was almost like Piano wire. I used the screw so I could have evenly spaced coils. I then dry fired it at 10W in wattage mode until it was glowing red. The resistance dropped after dry firing a few times. Oddly there were times where I was getting "low res" messages, I tweaked the coil and readjusted the screws and that seemed to have fixed it.

I found that I must suck at wicking as all three mods I tried it on the temperature jumped around a bit but mostly averaging 212F.

• On the SXminiM I thought 112 was the most reliable. The difference could be due to the room temperature offset.
• On the Apollo Reliant the least significant digit is not available so a value of "11" seemed to work the best.

While watching the real time resistance on the Reliant in Wattage mode the resistance nearly doubled from room temperature to glowing red hot.

Sadly Ralph had even labeled all three spools with "Kanthal" on the label while clearly the Chinese data sheet he sent to some of us does not mirror the data sheet of Kanthal52 (which I had sent him). According to the Chinese data sheet, the wire he sent us is a standard wire used in China.

Personally, I don't think I'll bother trying to vape the stuff. 28AWG SS430 or 26AWG TI works fine for me now that all but one of my mods support at least Ti.

I did while I was at it validate the 138 value for the SS430.

 

[JimScotty0]

JimScotty0 - my results were similar to yours at least once I figured out that I needed to wrap the wet cotton around the coil legs so I did not get "hot legs" and all.

I did not however dig as deep as you. I simply took 26AWG off the spool and wound it on a screw. Pretty springy (and stiff) stuff! It was almost like Piano wire. I used the screw so I could have evenly spaced coils. I then dry fired it at 10W in wattage mode until it was glowing red. The resistance dropped after dry firing a few times. Oddly there were times where I was getting "low res" messages, I tweaked the coil and readjusted the screws and that seemed to have fixed it.

I found that I must suck at wicking as all three mods I tried it on the temperature jumped around a bit but mostly averaging 212F.

• On the SXminiM I thought 112 was the most reliable. The difference could be due to the room temperature offset.
• On the Apollo Reliant the least significant digit is not available so a value of "11" seemed to work the best.

While watching the real time resistance on the Reliant in Wattage mode the resistance nearly doubled from room temperature to glowing red hot.

Sadly Ralph had even labeled all three spools with "Kanthal" on the label while clearly the Chinese data sheet he sent to some of us does not mirror the data sheet of Kanthal52 (which I had sent him). According to the Chinese data sheet, the wire he sent us is a standard wire used in China.

Personally, I don't think I'll bother trying to vape the stuff. 28AWG SS430 or 26AWG TI works fine for me now that all but one of my mods support at least Ti.

I did while I was at it validate the 138 value for the SS430.

Cool! So your results are extremely close to mine and the water test has now been done by 2 of us so I would say we nailed the TCR. Yes I agree that they should not be labeled Kanthal since that is a name brand company and this stuff certainly is not Kanthal since it is some Chinese wire. I would just like to know what wire we are using here and if it contains Ti, Cr, or Al in addition to Fe and Ni.

I know I don't want to use Aluminum, but I am not sure about Chromium. Is that stuff safe to vape? I would also like to limit my Nickel. I have been using the build all day and it is ok so far but no home run since I am not able to get the temp over around 385F and it does have some slight metallic taste to me.

 

[JimScotty0]

I seeeeee... me dumb dumb today.

Thanks my friend and sorry all

@PapaPro, I would suggest that you give Ti a try. The SXM works well with Ti with the new firmware and I have not gone back to NI200 since using it. It does have its issues but all around it works best for me. As far as the NiFe52 wire, the real one, it might be great but unfortunately that is not what I received and tested in my previous posts. Might be a good to hold off on these other exotic wires until more of us can give better information on how best to use it. I know some are having good results and like it very much. The real one that is!

 

[Haylon357]

Anyone else have their mod be rendered useless after updating?

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[Vlad1]

Anyone else have their mod be rendered useless after updating?

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What mod are you using and have you pulled the battery out of it and done a reset? Not heard of any updates going bad.

 

[26vec]

Anyone else have their mod be rendered useless after updating?

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Not everything, I lost tc also power mode but still have set resistance, manual temp offset ect. I have to Vape in joules with no tc
Yihi are not intrested. Tried a fresh d/load to no avail shop tried did no better. Lesson learnt won't be using either again.
I'll stick to my p3 and see what mods come out next year.

26vec

 

[2legsshrt]

Well I just heard the M is out of production now. Guess the ML is what they are pushing. Still some out there but will soon be gone.

 

[LSJ]

I posted a video on YouTube about extending the life of your SX mini charging port, . Easy life extender if you're port is in working condition.

 

[Croak]

So, I just got my second M class today. I sold my first one a few months ago, because of the weight making it not very pocket friendly, the battery cap was a total pain, and my $45-and-I-don't-give-a-damn-if-it-gets-banged-up IPV D2 vaped just as well in titanium mode. Seriously, I couldn't tell any difference at the same settings between the two. So the SXM went to a new home.

Updated the SXM to 2.32 right away today. Amazed at the substantial improvement in vape quality in Ti01 mode compared to the D2. At the same Joules/Temp settings, the SXM is much smoother and ramps quicker even in Standard mode than the D2, using a 2.5mm 8 wrap 26ga Unk Ti01 dual build in a Goliath V2.

Good job Yihi, good job.

And on another positive note, this one has a much better battery cap, even though it's also from the first batch of black/silver units (complete with bad paint and crooked screen). Still weighs too much though.

 

[2legsshrt]

Just got an email from Varituube and I guess the only diff in the ML and the M is a little different case and something called Q that lets you set your vaping curve. I see they are still using a zinc alloy. I think for my money the M is a better deal but they stopped production in August. With this new upgrade they are impressive.

 

[Croak]

Color me even more impressed, in Eco mode I managed 26k joules out of an LG HG2 (and about 23ml of juice). Didn't have those batteries when I still had the old SXM, just 25R and HE2/HE4's, and 21k was the best I ever got out of one of them, once.

 

[2legsshrt]

Yep thats what I average with the HG2 26-28k J

 

[meti]

In eco mode, using 304 SS and TC set at 205°C (401°F) using a 25R i get 26k, so I think that a HG2 with my setup will get to 30-31k? nice