Symptoms Normal?

[gypsygirl]

Hello all - hoping someone can shed some light for my husband and myself.
Hubby has been off cigs for 4 days now. Myself, almost 2. Yesterday we were both so agitated, I'm surprised we're both still alive and speaking to eachother today I know irritability is a major withdrawal symptom so that is not so much my concern as what just happened to my hubby.

His hands were shaking uncontrollably. He felt light-headed/dizzy and a slight headache. We are both vaping 24mg PG juice and/or cartomizers. Now, today, he has not vaped as much as he was in the past 3 days - could this be just that his body wants more nic?? Could he be dehydrated? (Sorry, I do not know what mix if any, is in the juice he's vaping but it's from Nicotine Nirvana, and it's American Blend if that helps)
No nausea, no sweating, no tight chest, no heart palpitations, just shakiness, light-headed/dizzy, and a slight headache.
(I have to say, I'm a little scared since he's a few days ahead of me analog-free - is this something I am going to face as well??)

I should also mention, we BOTH drink Diet Pepsi like freaks!! I think I actually saw my blood fizz the last time I cut myself.
Is it possible the caffeine is playing a role in this as well? I read that once you quit smoking, your body does absorb caffeine differently and you don't need nearly as much to remain alert - true??

One last thing - he works in a hot-box all night. Manufacturing biz with no A/C and it's been hotter than all get out here lately. You KNOW it's hot/humid when you exhale after your e-cig and the vapor lingers in the air!

Anyhow.. any insight is appreciated!

 

[jj2]

The caffeine and heat might be an attributing factor, but you also have to realize you ARE NOT getting about 3996 chemicals that your body is used to getting.

If it gets bad, have an analog---some people just have to baby steps.

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[keyzygirl]

Drink some water and vape a little less.Sounds like to much nic and caffiene.We tend to chain vape and it may be to much.Get some VG and cut some of your juice a bit for when your vaping alot.

 

[CaptJay]

I'm with JJ - no need to put yourselves through withdrawal hell - just have a cig - and cut down SLOWLY - not everyone can (or should) go cold turkey. Dont vape right after a smoke either (too much nic is too much).
I'd also try and dial down the caffeine a bit too - I find I cant drink as much coffee as i used to without getting the ole caffeine jag now Im off smokes (took me 10 days btw to stop smoking, which I hadnt intended to do either I just wanted less smokes lol).

 

[gypsygirl]

jj2 - I told him to have a cig - even half, he refused to. I guess that's a good thing..just hate seeing him this way.

keyzygirl - he has vaped less today than any other day since he started so I don't think he's OD'd. Actually, he's only vaped about 4 times today.
I could be totally wrong though, but just doesn't seem like too much nic would be the problem here. Both of us have been fine vaping alot each day and had really no problems other than a slight headache from too much vaping.

Hoping it's just withdrawals he's going through.

 

[gypsygirl]

I'm with JJ - no need to put yourselves through withdrawal hell - just have a cig - and cut down SLOWLY - not everyone can (or should) go cold turkey. Dont vape right after a smoke either (too much nic is too much).
I'd also try and dial down the caffeine a bit too - I find I cant drink as much coffee as i used to without getting the ole caffeine jag now Im off smokes (took me 10 days btw to stop smoking, which I hadnt intended to do either I just wanted less smokes lol).

Cutting back on Diet Pepsi is going to prove difficult, but if this is the reason, then it's a no-brainer that he needs to cut back.
He still refuses to have a cig. I guess he feels like he's letting himself down if he does.

 

[willbeein2003]

I am going to say drink much more water. Even if you drink alot of soda, it does not replace water. I live in Las Vegas so dehydration is something that I know a lot about. Light headedness, hand shaking, and headaches are all signs of this. I have also learned that soda can actually make dehydration worse if you are drinking that and not water. Believe it or not, being irritiable is also a symptom of dehydration. So, try water, even if you are not thirsty. And keep us posted on how you are both doing.

 

[gypsygirl]

I am going to say drink much more water. Even if you drink alot of soda, it does not replace water. I live in Las Vegas so dehydration is something that I know a lot about. Light headedness, hand shaking, and headaches are all signs of this. I have also learned that soda can actually make dehydration worse if you are drinking that and not water. Believe it or not, being irritiable is also a symptom of dehydration. So, try water, even if you are not thirsty. And keep us posted on how you are both doing.

Thanks a bunch!! I immediately handed him a bottle of water and a pear to eat when this happened I will tell him to drink LOTS more and keep drinking lots more.
Thank you again for the advice!

 

[willbeein2003]

Forgot to offer you congrats on being off analogs.

 

[LowThudd]

Dehydration should be easy to compensate for, and I have had that problem also. From what I understand(mainly from this forum), tobacco contains MAOIs, which aid in processing dopamine. Dopa mine is not onlyproduced/released from nicotine but also caffine. Caffine is a MAJOR dopamine producer. Nicotine OD is also another possability. Many people vape differently than they smoke, and therefor it is possible to get too much nic, even if you were a heavy smoker before. Try(as others have said), try to blend in some VG or doublers, or just a lower nic juice. Try and drink more water(I need to work on that too). Also, alcohol withdrawl doesn't seem to be as aided by vaping as by tobacco usage. Don't know if you drink or not, but I thought I would through that out there. I agree with everthing others have posted as well.

 

[gypsygirl]

Forgot to offer you congrats on being off analogs.

Thanks!!

 

[gypsygirl]

Dehydration should be easy to compensate for, and I have had that problem also. From what I understand(mainly from this forum), tobacco contains MAOIs, which aid in processing dopamine. Dopa mine is not onlyproduced/released from nicotine but also caffine. Caffine is a MAJOR dopamine producer. Nicotine OD is also another possability. Many people vape differently than they smoke, and therefor it is possible to get too much nic, even if you were a heavy smoker before. Try(as others have said), try to blend in some VG or doublers, or just a lower nic juice. Try and drink more water(I need to work on that too). Also, alcohol withdrawl doesn't seem to be as aided by vaping as by tobacco usage. Don't know if you drink or not, but I thought I would through that out there. I agree with everthing others have posted as well.

He doesn't drink alcohol, so that's a non-issue. Just the Diet Pepsi all day, everyday. I am def going to be on his .... about drinking more water though!

And, can you explain the reason behind possible nic OD since he's actually cut back on vaping today? I'm confused how this could be the culprit if he's cut his nic intake from what he had been vaping the first 4 days.

 

[cc_racer]

I have had this effect when I quit smoking cold turkey before (not vaping). Actually my sister and I BOTH had this effect as we had tried to quit smoking at the same time....

We joked that it was a side effect of actually getting oxygen to our brains instead of cigarette smoke!

I think we experienced it off and on for about a week before it went away.

 

[LowThudd]

He doesn't drink alcohol, so that's a non-issue. Just the Diet Pepsi all day, everyday. I am def going to be on his .... about drinking more water though!

And, can you explain the reason behind possible nic OD since he's actually cut back on vaping today? I'm confused how this could be the culprit if he's cut his nic intake from what he had been vaping the first 4 days.

Your probably right about that.

 

[KayleePup]

I have also had the headaches, shakes etc. I found I chain vape where I couldn't chain smoke. I felt I wasn't getting enough nic but evidently I was.

I found that I really have to pace myself. If I just sit and vape I get that shakey feeling so I no have a couple of carts with 0 nic to switch to if I just need the action and flavor. It has worked great that way.

KayleePup

 

[mom_life_love]

I used to drink a lot of pop, I found that I really had to concentrate on one glass of water then a pop, one glass of water then a pop! I also found that drinking something with electrolytes helped, you can get powdered drinks from the health food store to mix into your water, buy sports drinks or even electrolyte freezies (for kids) at the drug store!
I also switched to vg (allergy to pg) and it didn't dry me out nearly as much!

 

[LowThudd]

I used to drink a lot of pop, I found that I really had to concentrate on one glass of water then a pop, one glass of water then a pop! I also found that drinking something with electrolytes helped, you can get powdered drinks from the health food store to mix into your water, buy sports drinks or even electrolyte freezies (for kids) at the drug store!
I also switched to vg (allergy to pg) and it didn't dry me out nearly as much!

Very true, I preferre VG for that reason also. Electrilyte mixes are available at the 99 cent store as well.

 

[CaptJay]

Unfortunately some of the symptoms of not enough nic (withdrawal) are also present in getting too much nic (OD). The shaking and headaches could be from either however you have a massive dose of caffeine complicating matters (the symptoms for withdrawl and OD on caffiene are likewise blurred).
If he also had upset stomach I would say for sure he was getting mroe nic than he needed but as he isn't and vaping less hasn't helped (if I understand you correctly) then I would plump for it being withdrawal. A little caffeine CAN help with nic withdrawal but he might be getting too much of one (caffeiene) and not enough of the other (nicotine).
Dehydration would ceratinly add to the mix (thats why I changed my sig a few days ago to say 'drink more water' lol).
Get some sugar free caffeine free pepsi or switch to ginger ale for a little while. Try and reduce some of the caffiene and increase water intake. He should vape as normal as I hoenstly don't think he's ODing on nic. Sometimes we have to treat ourselves as experimental subjects (I know I have lol) and as he doesn't want to smoke at all (fair enough) he should try reducing caffiene a little, and upping water, and see what effect it has.

 

[Nighthawk]

Water will help in any case. If it's hot there like it is here (108 today) and he's working in a hot humid envoronment, shoot for almost a gallon of water a day. I know, I know, it sounds like too much, but it really isn't. He's going to be purging the poisons of cigs & sweating & working & stress from the heat AND too much caffiene.
Many people are really allergic to the artificial sweetners and can react in a similar way to what you've described as well. Now that his body's chemistry is different, it may be reacting differently with the sweetners. Could also be the vg/pg. I'd make the soda's a treat and water the main thing to drink.

 

[LowThudd]

Many people are really allergic to the artificial sweetners and can react in a similar way to what you've described as well. Now that his body's chemistry is different, it may be reacting differently with the sweetners. Could also be the vg/pg. I'd make the soda's a treat and water the main thing to drink.

Very true. Pepsi One, BTW, uses sucralos instead of aspertaim. I preferre the flavor, and it is more acceptable to the body(natural, made from sugar).