Taifun GT Discusion!

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jpcwon

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Cool, good to know...yeah I will try the 1.5mm tube first and see how it goes..I too run my KFL+ about half way open.....but man, this thing is awesome!! I LOVE how easy it is to build on & set up...I thought for sure I would get leaking/gurgling with my first cotton build, but it's working beautifully!!

Now, to acquire a second GT...gotta wait for my vape budget to refill, though...
 

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Cool, good to know...yeah I will try the 1.5mm tube first and see how it goes..I too run my KFL+ about half way open.....but man, this thing is awesome!! I LOVE how easy it is to build on & set up...I thought for sure I would get leaking/gurgling with my first cotton build, but it's working beautifully!!

Now, to acquire a second GT...gotta wait for my vape budget to refill, though...

I'm also Running my first build on the gt today using the 1.5mm tube and I'm loving it. This thing was so easy to set up! It's already replaced my kayfun 3.1 as my favorite device. Now I'm on the hunt for a second gt!!
 

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After getting some encouragement from Bill and advice on micro/mini coils and cotton wicks I gave it a go this morning. Built a coil on a 5/64 drill using 30AWG Kanthal. Didn't have any 28 AWG kanthal so I did the math and used 7 wraps which brought me in right at 1.7ohms. Considering it was my first coil smaller than a refrigerator I was pleased. No hot legs. Heated from the center out and required no pulsing at all.

Tore apart an organic cotton ball and took roughly 1/3 of it's width and way, way too much length. Rolled the cotton down as much as I could and got it started through the coil on my first stab at it. Unfortunately it started to build up on the side I was threading it from so I wasn't able to get as much length through it as I'd have liked so I trimmed it. Fluffed up both ends, pulled the walls up and then laid a small thin piece over the top of it. Dripped some juice on it and checked my resistance again.

Bleh .. I must've screwed something up threading the cotton through it because now I was getting 2.0 -2.1 ohms. Said what the hell, screwed it on the Provari, kicked the volts up to 4.5 and let er rip. All I can say is wow. Not as much vapor as I'd like but similar to what I'd expect from a carto. The flavor on the other hand is outstanding.

Just finished it about 10 minutes ago and I may have spoken too soon about the vapor production. It seems to be getting better the more I vape. Nice and warm with good flavor.

Thanks a ton Bill for the tips and links.

FYI, put the 1.5mm air tube in and the draw is now very similar to what you'll get with a Russian with the air screw about 1/2 way in. I'm pleased and will probably spend the rest of the day tweaking this and killing my liver with some good craft beer.
 

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^^^That's awesome! Yeah I am loving the cotton/microcoil setup I have in my GT right now. I thought for sure I would get flooding the first time around w/cotton, but I'm lucking out!! I too am running it on my Provari....1.8 Ohms @ 4.4 volts.....nice, warm, flavorful vape!!

I didn't even use a 'top piece' of cotton either.....just the piece that goes through the coil is all I need. I tried doubling the ends over to block off the 'gates' more effectively, but I found that that's not even necessary. Just one piece of cotton straight thru the coil & out the ends is all you need....

I do have SS mesh & 2mm Silica at my disposal, so my plan is to try the PBusardo method next....but I might just stick with cotton as it's working wonderfully..
 

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Got my authentic TGT today. Had a microcoil/cotton setup in less than 10 minutes..... And its vaping like a dream. No dry hits, gurgling, or leaking. Great flavor and fantastic vapor production. I'm used to using a Origen dripper dual coil with the largest airholes, so the airflow took some getting used to, but its actually quite smooth, so I'm not going to modify it any. I may get the 1.5mm tube for it when I order the SS tank for it, but I'm pleased with it stock.

Great atty. 10/10 from me.

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After getting some encouragement from Bill and advice on micro/mini coils and cotton wicks I gave it a go this morning. Built a coil on a 5/64 drill using 30AWG Kanthal. Didn't have any 28 AWG kanthal so I did the math and used 7 wraps which brought me in right at 1.7ohms. Considering it was my first coil smaller than a refrigerator I was pleased. No hot legs. Heated from the center out and required no pulsing at all.

Tore apart an organic cotton ball and took roughly 1/3 of it's width and way, way too much length. Rolled the cotton down as much as I could and got it started through the coil on my first stab at it. Unfortunately it started to build up on the side I was threading it from so I wasn't able to get as much length through it as I'd have liked so I trimmed it. Fluffed up both ends, pulled the walls up and then laid a small thin piece over the top of it. Dripped some juice on it and checked my resistance again.

Bleh .. I must've screwed something up threading the cotton through it because now I was getting 2.0 -2.1 ohms. Said what the hell, screwed it on the Provari, kicked the volts up to 4.5 and let er rip. All I can say is wow. Not as much vapor as I'd like but similar to what I'd expect from a carto. The flavor on the other hand is outstanding.

Just finished it about 10 minutes ago and I may have spoken too soon about the vapor production. It seems to be getting better the more I vape. Nice and warm with good flavor.

Thanks a ton Bill for the tips and links.

FYI, put the 1.5mm air tube in and the draw is now very similar to what you'll get with a Russian with the air screw about 1/2 way in. I'm pleased and will probably spend the rest of the day tweaking this and killing my liver with some good craft beer.

I would strongly suggest that you do pulse the coil several times before vaping. I just posted this on another thread, but it's self explanatory:

What I have found with my builds is that the greater the tension that I impart, the tighter the coil, and the greater the coil memory. With kanthal, and using a coiling jig, I can get the coil tight enough to resist uncoiling and maintaining its shape rather well without annealing, or torching. I insert the coil and then begin prepping the circuit. Here's a coil made without torching or annealing:

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Now, the heat is critical to preparing the coil for use. Kanthal has some superb properties which surprisingly include both thermal conductivity and electrical resistance. My friend, State O'Flux, has an excellent blog (http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/state-o-flux/5429-micro-coils-why-they-work.html) about why kanthal needs to be heated/pulsed in preparation for vaping:

"It is not voodoo... it's the way the wire is designed - and this "feature" of Kanthal has been well known since before you were born, and just one of the qualities that make it so common and useful.

When heated, Kanthal wire (iron-chromium-aluminium) builds up an aluminum oxide insulative coating on it's outside surface that protects the individual coils from shorting, one to another. This is called alumina (Al2O3).

This is most clearly noticed when you test fire a well compressed coil... the coil initially shorts and heats unevenly. The more you fire it however, the more evenly it heats - from the center out. This is the alumina layer building up and insulating the coils surface.

That is it. No magic... unless a self-generating, protective oxide layer is considered magic. Maybe it is magic - Kanthal wire is both thermally conductive and electrically resistive. Pretty convienent for us, and several billion other handy applications for heating coils.

Consider as well... for a given length and thickness of wire, the resistance does not change whether it's a 7 wrap conventional coil or a 7 wrap compressed coil.
Again, resistance for a given length does not change any appreciable amount - what does change is the amount of heat the "compressed coil" is capable of generating. Reduced to a short, concentrated segment or element, the heat generated for a given resistance/area can be greater than the sum of parts.

Why you ask? A simplest answer.
As stated, you have concentrated the heat generated by the individual coils into that smaller, more cohesive heat generating "element".
So, if you're still on the fence, consider this analogy. Ten matches, lit and separated by 1 inch per match, generate the heat of... 1 match or individual heat source per inch.
Now, ten lit matches, all within one square inch... 10 times the heat concentration / compressed down to one square inch.

Last, although "micro" is used to define a small diameter (1.5mm or 1/16" - or less), compressed coil heating element, you can compress a larger diameter vaporizer coil and have the same result of greater heat concentration for a given dimension of resistance/area occupied."

What seems to often get confused is the need for heat to help the coil with the need for heat to prepare the insulated cover of alumina oxide when firing the coil. They are two different issues. Heating the wire before or after wrapping can and does remove the springiness, but so does tension, which also imparts strong coil memory and superb tightness, compression and adhesion. This is what Mac has been talking about for a while. I can't get that kind of tension in the coil myself by hand, so I've resorted to the use of jigs, and I'm continuing to refine them. All I know is that they work great in creating the coil, pulsing my battery after coil installation works great in preparing the coil for vaping. Together, the "magic" of the kanthal micro coil/COIL is focused concentrated heat right where we need it for our best vaping. My two cents. YMMV. Good luck!

Oh, and you are quite welcome, my friend. It only gets better from here! Power up and Vape On!
 
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I would strongly suggest that you do pulse the coil several times before vaping.

Oh, sorry I wasn't clear. I did pulse it but normally I pulse it trying to work out hot spots and just tidy it up some. This time around I was pulsing it was to oxidize it and get it positioned exactly where I wanted it over the air hole.

I did the same things but for entirely different reasons.

1x Taifun down, 1x Russian to go.
 

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GT atop the Paps X 1.5
 

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Aye, looks great. Now I need to get a Paps :p

Thanks for the pic.:vapor:

No problem at all. Yes, you must get a Paps. Hands down, best mechanical out. If it wasn't even for the top notch build quality, the customer service after sale would sell me on them. Stop by the GP thread sometime. We'd love to have ya.
 

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I'll second that. Best mech out to date. The Paps X is phenomenal in build quality and function, and the customer service is second to none. You can guarantee that if something goes wrong (which is unlikely due to the quality and construction of the mod) that Perseas and Co. over at VapourArt will bend over backwards to resolve your issue.

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I'll second that. Best mech out to date. The Paps X is phenomenal in build quality and function, and the customer service is second to none. You can guarantee that if something goes wrong (which is unlikely due to the quality and construction of the mod) that Perseas and Co. over at VapourArt will bend over backwards to resolve your issue.

..Sent from the vape lair..

I'm watching Scott's video on it atm. Stunning!

Certainly gotta buy on of these beauties! :vapor:
 
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