Teens being hospitalized with lung disease doctor's say it's vaping

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I wanted to get everyone's input on the stories in the news about teens being hospitalized with lung disease , doctors are saying common link is vaping. Do you think this is from vaping normal e liquid ! Or do you think something else was added? I have a sister who likes to post news stories on social media, and it irritates me because half the time it's before the truth comes out. I just find it very suspicious that this is happening with just teens, why haven't those of us that vape a lot and for years experienced this ? I could be wrong, just want everyone's input, we've got some members who are awesome at getting to the bottom of things and finding the real answers !!
 
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I wanted to get everyone's input on the stories in the news about teens being hospitalized with lung disease , doctors are saying common link is vaping. Do you think this is from vaping normal e liquid ! Or do you think something else was added? I have a sister who likes to post news stories on social media, and it irritates me because half the time it's before the truth comes out. I just find it very suspicious that this is happening with just teens, why haven't those of us that vape a lot and for years experienced this ? I could be wrong, just want everyone's input, we've got some members who are awesome at getting to the bottom of things and finding the real answers !!
Your suspicion is correct, the news is no longer news worthy. Huffpost/Drudge report is the state of the nation.
 
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I wanted to get everyone's input on the stories in the news about teens being hospitalized with lung disease , doctors are saying common link is vaping. Do you think this is from vaping normal e liquid ! Or do you think something else was added? I have a sister who likes to post news stories on social media, and it irritates me because half the time it's before the truth comes out. I just find it very suspicious that this is happening with just teens, why haven't those of us that vape a lot and for years experienced this ? I could be wrong, just want everyone's input, we've got some members who are awesome at getting to the bottom of things and finding the real answers !!
I apologize first for my comment.I saw this news 3-4 days ago and i think its possible...we inhale vapor into our mouth then lung and even though its a lot less carcinogen and particle as compare to cigarettes but we are still inhaling less harmful particles...so there will be certain risk.I think hundred of thousand of teen vape but we are seeing in this news 7-8 teen had lung issue and needed to be hospitalize because of "vaping".That's probably less then 1% in the population of teens who vaped?There is risk for anything you do,more or less...Smoking kills,but my uncle smoked for 40 years and now he is 62 and still healthy,my grandfather smoked for 40+ years before quitting on his 60's but he pass away at 70 and due to diabetes related issue and not directly link to smoking.Most people even doctor says that vaping is certainly healthier then smoking,its better not to pick up any if you can and we are not known what vaping could cause.Anyway,vaping did help me reduce my stress and contributed to healthier living and there might be risk which i can take because i do see the benefit atm...
 

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I apologize first for my comment.I saw this news 3-4 days ago and i think its possible...we inhale vapor into our mouth then lung and even though its a lot less carcinogen and particle as compare to cigarettes but we are still inhaling less harmful particles...so there will be certain risk.I think hundred of thousand of teen vape but we are seeing in this news 7-8 teen had lung issue and needed to be hospitalize because of "vaping".That's probably less then 1% in the population of teens who vaped?There is risk for anything you do,more or less...Smoking kills,but my uncle smoked for 40 years and now he is 62 and still healthy,my grandfather smoked for 40+ years before quitting on his 60's but he pass away at 70 and due to diabetes related issue and not directly link to smoking.Most people even doctor says that vaping is certainly healthier then smoking,its better not to pick up any if you can and we are not known what vaping could cause.Anyway,vaping did help me reduce my stress and contributed to healthier living and there might be risk which i can take because i do see the benefit atm...
The likelihood of this small a cluster screams Tide-pod-vape-challenge louder that phrases like "false flag attack" , or "disinformation campaign" label one a wacko.
If you think your the 9th person out of millions of vapers to suffer such a fate, I suggest you refrain from the activity, and leave consenting adults to their own devices.
 

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The likelihood of this small a cluster screams Tide-pod-vape-challenge louder that phrases like "false flag attack" , or "disinformation campaign" label one a wacko.
If you think your the 9th person out of millions of vapers to suffer such a fate, I suggest you refrain from the activity, and leave consenting adults to their own devices.
Did i mention i will suffer from such fate?
I did have stomach acid related issue from vaping and have to had clean diet to continue vaping...i am happier with vaping but its not without side effects,maybe you don't i am happy for you...
 

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I wanted to get everyone's input on the stories in the news about teens being hospitalized with lung disease , doctors are saying common link is vaping. Do you think this is from vaping normal e liquid ! Or do you think something else was added? I have a sister who likes to post news stories on social media, and it irritates me because half the time it's before the truth comes out. I just find it very suspicious that this is happening with just teens, why haven't those of us that vape a lot and for years experienced this ? I could be wrong, just want everyone's input, we've got some members who are awesome at getting to the bottom of things and finding the real answers !!
The vaping liquid is cheap,i cant brain why people would risk their health if they buy juice from blackmarket
 

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The vaping liquid is cheap,i cant brain why people would risk their health if they buy juice from blackmarket
Because they're teens.

As to vaping having "side" effects, I am not in the least denying that. But so does indulging in anything. I vape 30+ mL a day. My side effects include slightly stiff leg muscles, which is related to the main side effect, mild dehydration, as well as PG metabolism. These are more than likely compounded by my caffeine intake, which is just as bad, if not worse for me, than nicotine.

Your, and everyone else's mileage may vary, but a CLUSTER of 8 teens that are obviously to young, dumb, and full of nothing fun, buying who knows what from their "friend" who can't find anyone to buy his doctored oregano anymore, cooked up in their bathtub, does not equate to the next epidemic or final evidence of long term negative effects of vaping.
 

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Semi-illicit substance containing black-market e-juice on the streets.

Vaping is just the chosen delivery mechanism.

So basically "blame syringes for the opioid epidemic".

Handing out single use sterile syringes for harm reduction remains very controversial and is illegal in many locations. Pretty much like vaping is being viewed.
 

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Maybe what they Wanted In there e-Liquid Isn't Legal where they are?

Or even if legal, bought from an unreliable supplier. If you don't know what's on your liquid you're asking for trouble, which seems to be the case here, especially with the geographic cluster.

I believe it was last summer in NY where on a single weekend some synthetic thyme/basil/ whatever herb we're allowed to type, turned a 3 block area into a 50 zombies wandering around afternoon. Police and EMS were kinda busy that day.

Adulterated stuff of whatever product represents real risk. It's another plus to DIY that you know exactly what's in your juice and the sources of all the ingredients. And I really don't mind that commercial juices now have to be mixed in an environment that meets basic standards for cleanliness and record keeping.
 

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Or even if legal, bought from an unreliable supplier. If you don't know what's on your liquid you're asking for trouble, which seems to be the case here, especially with the geographic cluster.

I believe it was last summer in NY where on a single weekend some synthetic thyme/basil/ whatever herb we're allowed to type, turned a 3 block area into a 50 zombies wandering around afternoon. Police and EMS were kinda busy that day.

Adulterated stuff of whatever product represents real risk. It's another plus to DIY that you know exactly what's in your juice and the sources of all the ingredients. And I really don't mind that commercial juices now have to be mixed in an environment that meets basic standards for cleanliness and record keeping.

Agreed.

The Long n' Short of this is I think it is Cool the way the Media has Labeled this as a Serious Problem caused by Vaping.

Verses what it Really was. A Serious Problem caused by Someone putting something into a Vape Cartridge. And then Selling it on the Street to Teens.

But I just that is what the Average Media Outlet Media Does? Chase Clicks via Hype on things they feel they can Throw Under a Bus. And Downplay (or just Not Report!) things the might Hurt a Cause or Agenda they want to Promote.

Like the Legalization of Something.

I mean... Only 420K+ people Die EVER Year from Smoking Related Illnesses. And Smokers are just 2nd Class Citizens anyway.

So No Need to give a Balanced Report on some Breaking News. If it means getting 100 Less Clicks. Or if it Points Out a Problem with something you would like to be thought of as Problem-less.
 
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Agreed.

The Long n' Short of this is I think it is Cool the way the Media has Labeled this as a Serious Problem caused by Vaping.

Verses what it Really was. A Serious Problem caused by Someone putting something into a Vape Cartridge. And then Selling it on the Street to Teens.

But I just that is what the Average Media Outlet Media Does? Chase Clicks via Hype on things they feel they can Throw Under a Bus. And Downplay (or just Not Report!) things the might Hurt a Cause or Agenda they want to Promote.

Like the Legalization of Something.

I mean... Only 420K+ people Die EVER Year from Smoking Related Illnesses. And Smokers are just 2nd Class Citizens anyway.

So No Need to give a Balanced Report on some Breaking News. If it means getting 100 Less Clicks. Or if it Points Out a Problem with something you would like to be thought as as Problem-less.

I agree. But I do have to add this. The pattern of the press creating news to sell more papers, more viewers, more clicks, has existed for well before both the internet, 24 hour news cycle cable news, or even TV or radio. Look at newspapers in the 19th and first half of the 20th century. That's how they operated. The newspapers that were viewed with greater authority and validity came from a handful of sources. You also had news agencies known for impartiality that supplied stories for their subscribed papers, leaving it for the individual paper to set the political/moral tone of their publication. Sure, AP and Reuters are still around but a far less influential as authoritative sources of news.

What is different is the speed of dissemination and the lower cost of entry to the press "club". Set up a website like Drudge did and you're a news source and become credentialed press. Same with the Huff Post and many others, all with clear bias in their selection of topics and the optics provided. Editorial and news are blended together rather than clearly separated. Opinion pieces run next to news stories with almost impossible to locate designations, so someone's opinions becomes "facts". The days of an editorial page with an op ed across from it are few and far between. Now we jumble it all together, and allow the tone of what is news to be set according to policy than newsworthiness.

The press has been influential in politics for a very long time. Editorial endorsements carried weight. Now it's less so. But someone like Rupert Murdoch is cut in the same manner that Hearst was a hundred years ago, and utilizes his platforms to advance his world view. And with the need to fill a 24 hour cycle with "breaking news", well, a lot of creativity is required.

This isn't new. It's been going on since the first newspapers were published. What's different is it's no longer a print media, it's multiple media sources with very short turnaround time of getting a story out and keeping it fresh, and the cost of entry has dramatically dropped thanks to a website and enough buzz to generate those clicks.

When TV news, then live cable news came along, newspapers were threatened of always reporting the story the day after it happened, unlike the same day on video, and decreasing in relevancy. Now the websites churn out new material within moments of the event, without even much time or effort into making it understandable, just dumping it out there. Combine that with the echoing on social media, and this is where we now are. But the fundamentals of editorial bias to generate sales/ads/clicks is as old as news reporting itself.
 
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