Telling the Doctor?

[ScottP]

" it's not conclusive that these devices are any better than cigarettes"

As soon as the Dr. said that, I would have said "If you are not smart enough to realize that inhaling the same liquid used in medical Nebulizer machines with only food flavoring and pharma grade nicotine added is infinitely safer than inhaling thousands of chemicals including more than 50 KNOWN carcinogens, then you have no business being in the medical field, much less MY doctor. Oh and Bye Felicia"

 

[Tempesta]

My doctor has only asked whether I smoke. If she has ever done a blood rest for nicotine, I am not aware of it,and she usually tells me what a test is for.

 

[patkin]

I think we're all so happy to be cig-free with improved health for most that we're proud of our decision to vape. In our glee, we don't stop to think that others, doctors-included, can be run by prejudice and bias. "Doctor," "medical professional," does not mean "objective" nor "scientist." As medica/doctor-care becomes more and more scarce and we don't have choices on which to use, we'll all, possibly, have to deal with narrow-minded, prejudiced, medical people not to mention those who see their jobs as tools for social engineering.

 

[supermarket]

From what I've read, this is very common. Much of the medical industry is taking a "wait and see" attitude, and if I'm honest with myself, that's the right perspective. There isn't the longevity in vaping that is required to truly and conclusively determine any levels of safety or long term effects that could be related to vaping. It doesn't matter our experiences, how we feel or the fact that most of us "know" it's a million times safer than actually smoking.

If someone asks me if I smoke, the answer is no. If someone asks me if I use tobacco, I say no. If someone asks if I use nicotine, I'd say yes. That's the truth, the facts and the bottom line for me. If they test me and it comes back "positive"...then I'll be labeled whatever they want to label me as...it's out of my control. If someone's going to be ignorant about it, then it's them that's wrong, not me.

My stance exactly.

 

[supermarket]

As soon as the Dr. said that, I would have said "If you are not smart enough to realize that inhaling the same liquid used in medical Nebulizer machines with only food flavoring and pharma grade nicotine added is infinitely safer than inhaling thousands of chemicals including more than 50 KNOWN carcinogens, then you have no business being in the medical field, much less MY doctor. Oh and Bye Felicia"

Actually, being in the medical 'business' is exactly where someone like that belongs. It is quite the racket, to be honest. I'm not saying that if you have a broken bone, don't get it set by a doctor.....I'm just saying they are rather clueless when it comes to the vast majority of health issues that face mankind today.

Things like obesity, nutrition, auto-immune diseases, neurological disorders, inflammatory conditions, etc - the doctors don't know much about, although they LOVE to pretend they do.

Its a business - and it is terribly sad how ignorant the average person is to this reality.


The medical industry DOES have a place in our society, but unfortunately it has taken a wrong direction at some point, and business became the focus, not preventative and actual treatment
/end rant

 

[Jman8]

I think I've seen a doctor (or three) about 10 times in the past year. During zero of those visits was I carrying insurance. Feeling fairly confident that I've paid less in the last year than some pay for their premiums, who never see a doctor. Certain I pay less than many who do have insurance and must pay co-pays/deductibles.

When not in the insurance racket, the medical people I've come across don't care all that much whether you smoked, are smoking, might smoke. They have opinions and guidance, and I think their opinions matter. But medical industry, in my experience, doesn't seem all that interested in keeping track of you as a smoker/nicotine user. Insurance industry is very very interested. Means we can make more off of you. I can understand a need for catastrophic health insurance. Everything else strikes me as a racket and/or counter productive to actual health care.

 

[hardcyder]

I go to the doctor in a few weeks. Looking forward to telling her I traded addictions and getting her opinions.
I feel so much better and breathing has improved.

 

[Myk]

I think I've seen a doctor (or three) about 10 times in the past year. During zero of those visits was I carrying insurance. Feeling fairly confident that I've paid less in the last year than some pay for their premiums, who never see a doctor. Certain I pay less than many who do have insurance and must pay co-pays/deductibles.

When not in the insurance racket, the medical people I've come across don't care all that much whether you smoked, are smoking, might smoke. They have opinions and guidance, and I think their opinions matter. But medical industry, in my experience, doesn't seem all that interested in keeping track of you as a smoker/nicotine user. Insurance industry is very very interested. Means we can make more off of you. I can understand a need for catastrophic health insurance. Everything else strikes me as a racket and/or counter productive to actual health care.

2 years ago I cost insurance more than my adult lifetime in premiums. This year starting in January and ending in March I will have used up more than 2 people's premiums for the year just in 3 prescriptions.

I'm sure with 3 doctor's visits you have probably only paid about a month's worth of premiums. It's when you end up needing it that bites back. I know a couple of workman's comp cases, a cut face and a broken collar bone, both would make a year's premiums pay for themselves.

 

[ScottP]

My wife has MS. From Mid 2008 to Mid 2013 the medication she was on cost over $2000/month if I didn't have insurance. With insurance it only cost me $35/month. I'd say my insurance has paid for itself. Last year she changed to a new medication, and I have no idea what it would cost without insurance but since it just came out last year, I doubt it would be any kind of cheap.

 

[bluecat]

I think we're all so happy to be cig-free with improved health for most that we're proud of our decision to vape. In our glee, we don't stop to think that others, doctors-included, can be run by prejudice and bias. "Doctor," "medical professional," does not mean "objective" nor "scientist." As medica/doctor-care becomes more and more scarce and we don't have choices on which to use, we'll all, possibly, have to deal with narrow-minded, prejudiced, medical people not to mention those who see their jobs as tools for social engineering.

I am not sure the doctor's have a prejudice or bias. They learn from their peers. Every doctor doesn't do scientific research on everything. There just isn't enough time. Now who are our doctors peers? Sadly, the government now.

Our medical profession is now tainted with political corruption to the same extent our educating profession is.

 

[bluecat]

My wife has MS. From Mid 2008 to Mid 2013 the medication she was on cost over $2000/month if I didn't have insurance. With insurance it only cost me $35/month. I'd say my insurance has paid for itself. Last year she changed to a new medication, and I have no idea what it would cost without insurance but since it just came out last year, I doubt it would be any kind of cheap.

One of my immediate family member has MS. The other Alzheimer. Sadly 200,000 a year on medication. It is unbelievable the number of pills they have. This pill counter acts this pill which counters.... well you understand.

It boggles my mind.

 

[Bigd432]

I don't think it's ever a good idea to lie to your doctor. If they are taking a wait and see approach you could be the person to help them see. They can monitor your charts and start to form an opinion.

 

[Eranda13]

It was docs who suggested vaping in the first place. They are both very happy with me vaping and have no qualms about it. Last visit, one doc said my lungs sounded "great". Good enough for me.

If someone (anyone) asks me if I smoke, I say no, I am a former smoker. All they are concerned about is when I quit cigs. My insurance form asked if I was a smoker and I answered no.

 

[ScottP]

My insurance form asked if I was a smoker and I answered no.

That is fine for Medical Insurance but DO NOT list yourself as a Non-Tobacco user for Life Insurance. If you do claim Non-Tobacco user, when you die they WILL do a blood toxicology exam and if nicotine is present in your blood stream, the Life insurance WILL deny the claim.

 

[amoret]

I've seen two of my doctors since I started vaping, and both were very supportive, and are glad that I quit smoking.

 

[sdennislee]

Tell them you eat egg plant, tomatoes (red/green), cauliflower, Potatoes (especially the skin) lots and lots of peppers, etc... to prevent Parkinson's disease. Although most of these vegetables are measured in ng/g of nicotine. Eggplant is 100ng/g, some peppers are around 50ng/g and green tomatoes are close to 50ng/g. Still might be plausible.

I just don't answer that question or the question do I own guns. Insurance physical might be more difficult to not answer though.

 

[Southern Tina]

Well, I work in healthcare (actually my whole family does) and when I'm asked that...I say "no". But then again, I also say I'm an "occasional drinker" which is also a lie because I have beer or wine every night. Not saying it's right but that's what I do. Do what I say my friends, not as I do I'm not talking about life insurance questions, etc. I just don't want to hear their "non expert" opinion on vaping. That's not what I'm there for.

 

[Kryyptyk]

That is fine for Medical Insurance but DO NOT list yourself as a Non-Tobacco user for Life Insurance. If you do claim Non-Tobacco user, when you die they WILL do a blood toxicology exam and if nicotine is present in your blood stream, the Life insurance WILL deny the claim.

Seems a bit excessive. What if the poor guy just had one smoke over a few beers, then got in a car wreck?

 

[PurpleHeart]

Agreed. Congrats on 0mg juice!

 

[ScottP]

Seems a bit excessive. What if the poor guy just had one smoke over a few beers, then got in a car wreck?

Well at that point, they can't exactly ask him if it was a one time thing out not, can they.