Tension wrapping micro coils by Rob McGlothin

[Aal_]

I dont know how you vape with so fat and long wires guys. I use 25mm fat coil at 1 ohm resistance and the smoke is small

Imeo the fatter the wire it requires higher wattage. At some point you have to go sub ohm. What do u mean 25mm?

 

[Aal_]

I will make you a coil one day and let you try it with fat wire

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[SLIPPY_EEL]

It's called a pin vise/vice. Google it. Got it from amazon. Basically it is a small manual drill. It is used in arts and crafts. It is like the precision screwdriver but bigger. You put your Palm on the end of it and turn the center with your fingers just like you do with a screwdriver. The advantage is that it has a collet so it accepts different sizes drill bits and you can secure the wire in it.

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I like it.... thanks my friend

 

[imeothanasis]

I meant 0,25mm in diameter aal.
I know that fatter wire require more volts but it drains the battery fast and its not good for mech mods

Imeo the fatter the wire it requires higher wattage. At some point you have to go sub ohm. What do u mean 25mm?

 

[imeothanasis]

I am sure that your coils will not be better than mine aal. Its only maybe because I want more smoke than you lol

I will make you a coil one day and let you try it with fat wire

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[Aal_]

I am sure that your coils will not be better than mine aal. Its only maybe because I want more smoke than you lol

Challenge Accepted!!!!

But seriously it will be sub ohm and it will give more vapor than anything else but of course the battery drains faster. It is a tradeoff.

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[monkkx]

I dont know how you vape with so fat and long wires guys. I use 25mm fat coil at 1 ohm resistance and the smoke is small

those coils are like old diesel engines ... they're slow to heat, but they keep the heat longer ... I usually have a couple of warm-up hits, then I have close hits wile the coil is still hot. The vape then is OK but not massive, and the flavor is delicious! It sounds cumbersome, but fine by me

 

[MacTechVpr]

Figure I post here to let anyone know who has not come by this method - best one I've seen! - All credit goes to Rob McGlothin, who according to him came upon this by accident. Came across this video after the discussion on the Pv3 thread about not torching/dry burning coils and it seems with this method that wont be necessary. Have not had the chance to try it out!

Torsion winding is a method that has been used for centuries. Secondly, this adaptation is NOT "tension". It doesn't produce the same effects as acknowledged by super_X_drifter who conceived the contact micro coil. He confirmed the effects produced by true tension winding and the resulting adhesion authoring several videos of the technology I adapted. The pressure of torsion, as demonstrated in this tutorial, is not likely to produce the consistent contact pressures of tension to result in adhesion, a necessary feature of the wind which takes advantage of the special properties of Kanthal to form contiguous alumina oxide layers of the coil turns from the first battery pulse. A departure from hand forming, torsioning as above, torching or otherwise heating…all variants previously used to create coils for vaping of the mechanical technique [in physics] of "forming".

The torsion wind is a good wind for the advanced user. Thanks Rob. It definitely has its applications for thicker gauges. It may or may not be a tensioned coil depending on whether enough strain, or actual tension, is introduced. With a tensioned wind it is simple and the typical user will learn to detect the adhesion point within a few tries. It is easy, cheap and no jig is required.

I introduced what's understood in physics to be a tension wind...for the purpose of giving quitting smokers a fighting chance…enabling them to create a proper electrical coil in seconds. What distinguishes a true tensioned coil is that it has no inherent separations. It is wound as tightly as physics will allow once the point of adhesion is reached. Thereafter, the coil like a screen door spring wants to remain a coil always attempting to resume the original shape or geometry created at the time of its wind. Formed coils do not exhibit this characteristic and tend to separate. Nor do they exhibit the electrical efficiency of a tensioned coil…and that is what benefits all vapers.

tommy I'd say try and build a few real tensioned contact microcoils and let us know how it works out, will ya?

To find out more visit my tutorial pages below.

Good luck all.

 

[pinballtommy]

Great info MTV! Really appreciated the education here - didn't know there was a difference and thanks for the link.

Torsion winding is a method that has been used for centuries. Secondly, this adaptation is NOT "tension". It doesn't produce the same effects as acknowledged by super_X_drifter who conceived the contact micro coil. He confirmed the effects produced by true tension winding and the resulting adhesion authoring several videos of the technology I adapted. The pressure of torsion, as demonstrated in this tutorial, is not likely to produce the consistent contact pressures of tension to result in adhesion, a necessary feature of the wind which takes advantage of the special properties of Kanthal to form contiguous alumina oxide layers of the coil turns from the first battery pulse. A departure from hand forming, torsioning as above, torching or otherwise heating…all variants previously used to create coils for vaping of the mechanical technique [in physics] of "forming".

The torsion wind is a good wind for the advanced user. Thanks Rob. It definitely has its applications for thicker gauges. It may or may not be a tensioned coil depending on whether enough strain, or actual tension, is introduced. With a tensioned wind it is simple and the typical user will learn to detect the adhesion point within a few tries. It is easy, cheap and no jig is required.

I introduced what's understood in physics to be a tension wind...for the purpose of giving quitting smokers a fighting chance…enabling them to create a proper electrical coil in seconds. What distinguishes a true tensioned coil is that it has no inherent separations. It is wound as tightly as physics will allow once the point of adhesion is reached. Thereafter, the coil like a screen door spring wants to remain a coil always attempting to resume the original shape or geometry created at the time of its wind. Formed coils do not exhibit this characteristic and tend to separate. Nor do they exhibit the electrical efficiency of a tensioned coil…and that is what benefits all vapers.

tommy I'd say try and build a few real tensioned contact microcoils and let us know how it works out, will ya?

To find out more visit my tutorial pages below.

Good luck all.

 

[Aal_]

Torsion winding is a method that has been used for centuries. Secondly, this adaptation is NOT "tension". It doesn't produce the same effects as acknowledged by super_X_drifter who conceived the contact micro coil. He confirmed the effects produced by true tension winding and the resulting adhesion authoring several videos of the technology I adapted. The pressure of torsion, as demonstrated in this tutorial, is not likely to produce the consistent contact pressures of tension to result in adhesion, a necessary feature of the wind which takes advantage of the special properties of Kanthal to form contiguous alumina oxide layers of the coil turns from the first battery pulse. A departure from hand forming, torsioning as above, torching or otherwise heating…all variants previously used to create coils for vaping of the mechanical technique [in physics] of "forming".

The torsion wind is a good wind for the advanced user. Thanks Rob. It definitely has its applications for thicker gauges. It may or may not be a tensioned coil depending on whether enough strain, or actual tension, is introduced. With a tensioned wind it is simple and the typical user will learn to detect the adhesion point within a few tries. It is easy, cheap and no jig is required.

I introduced what's understood in physics to be a tension wind...for the purpose of giving quitting smokers a fighting chance…enabling them to create a proper electrical coil in seconds. What distinguishes a true tensioned coil is that it has no inherent separations. It is wound as tightly as physics will allow once the point of adhesion is reached. Thereafter, the coil like a screen door spring wants to remain a coil always attempting to resume the original shape or geometry created at the time of its wind. Formed coils do not exhibit this characteristic and tend to separate. Nor do they exhibit the electrical efficiency of a tensioned coil…and that is what benefits all vapers.

tommy I'd say try and build a few real tensioned contact microcoils and let us know how it works out, will ya?

To find out more visit my tutorial pages below.

Good luck all.

Hey Mac, Good to see you stopping by and enlighten us as usual

 

[MacTechVpr]

Hey Mac, Good to see you stopping by and enlighten us as usual

Thanks. I try to keep a low profile. Lot's of things shakin' as I'm trying to move things along to get tension winding more broadly adopted on a lot of levels. But please give credit to sup wherever possible for his efforts in documenting this. It really helps. And please point noob's to my brief blog roundup (below) which is focused on proper electrical mechanics like symmetry and localization. The faster they can learn what we all have this past year the faster they will get over and adapt, become vapers. And we need more of us.

I saw your post on the pin vise and that's awesome. They are hard to find! I've twice ordered and not gotten them. Jeweller's versions are pricey. I recommend what's easily available so newcomer's will try. But I'd love to have something more formidable and drill blanks are cheap and diverse. I do specific research comparison testing wind diameters with common vaping wick media in an effort to improve the vape. The tension wind evolved out of this effort to discover practical wicking alternatives to winding on the wet noodle.

That's my story and I'm stickin' to it!

Thanks for doin' your part aalwani Enjoy that vape, and good luck...



LOL, btw…where did you get that pin vise? Hmmm?

 

[MacTechVpr]

Great info MTV! Really appreciated the education here - didn't know there was a difference and thanks for the link.

Thanks tommy. And man there is a difference. I saw my first tension wind done by a network installer as a young man. Forgot about it until I started vaping and struggled the first few weeks winding the noodle. That's when I realized we needed something that just works.

Tell ya what, the next time you wind a twisted pair with tension then wind that on a bit with tension, you're going to see the difference big time. Talkin' cool and dense, lots of vapor. Lower amp draw better result. But as I mentioned to aalwani above I've spent nine months since I quit researching and implementing the tension wind...to help newcomers get over quickly...and join our community enjoying the vape.

I could use all the help I can get.

Thanks for your interest and good luck tommy.

 

[Aal_]

Thanks. I try to keep a low profile. Lot's of things shakin' as I'm trying to move things along to get tension winding more broadly adopted on a lot of levels. But please give credit to sup wherever possible for his efforts in documenting this. It really helps. And please point noob's to my brief blog roundup (below) which is focused on proper electrical mechanics like symmetry and localization. The faster they can learn what we all have this past year the faster they will get over and adapt, become vapers. And we need more of us.

I saw your post on the pin vise and that's awesome. They are hard to find! I've twice ordered and not gotten them. Jeweller's versions are pricey. I recommend what's easily available so newcomer's will try. But I'd love to have something more formidable and drill blanks are cheap and diverse. I do specific research comparison testing wind diameters with common vaping wick media in an effort to improve the vape. The tension wind evolved out of this effort to discover practical wicking alternatives to winding on the wet noodle.

That's my story and I'm stickin' to it!

Thanks for doin' your part aalwani Enjoy that vape, and good luck...



LOL, btw…where did you get that pin vise? Hmmm?

Amazon.com and I'm in greece . You should find it easily.

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[Aal_]

Mac I did credit you and sup in the posts above. First one where I posted the video. The blog is the first time I see. I will point to it in the future. Thanks.

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[MacTechVpr]

Damn skippy you did. Thanks. But I don't really care but that people get linked to the data. That really is my only purpose for being on this forum. To pay back what I couldn't pay forward. Sup certainly deserves the recognition far more than I for being the righteous stand up that he is in his objectivity and contributions to vaping with his illustrative thread, editorials and tutorials. I wish I had the time and stamina for that.

Aalwani thank you too for being a standup guy and your contribution.

That's a great pin vise. I want me one.

good luck.