Tensioned Micro Coils. The next step.

[super_X_drifter]

When I first started out with my kayfun, the issues I was having with scorched wicking and burning juice that was too thick or gunky led me to carry coiling gear with me.

I work in a boiler room where I'm at a desk for 8hrs with complete freedom to do as I please (as long as I pay SOME attention to the boilers [emoji14]) this made it easy to rewick and dry burn every day. (Man I wish I started off unflavored!!!)

Rewicking everyday meant a lot of fiddling with the internals, which gave a greater probability of bumping the coil, and ruining it. Thus the need to have at least a rebuild kit and possibly a coiling jig on the road.

Since getting into BF mods (specifically the peko) I still need to rewick everyday (very sweet, thick, gunky juice - see my banner) but because its a cyclone, it makes it easy.

I still carry my kits with me. I can make a lot of coils in 8hrs. Now I use empty battery cases to store extra coils - all of them are 29g 7wraps 5/64" ID Tensioned coils - which I use in everything. My kayfun and cyclones have one, my derringer has two. This way, when I do need one, they are already built and ready to go.

I also cut up my Muji cotton pads to be very close to actual wick size. I get like 40 wicks per pad when I'm really focused and cut carefully. So at any given time, I can rewick if need be. See above re: gunky juices that I like...

Now I don't need the coiling kit, but I can use it in my spare time (which I have a TON of while I'm at work anyway).

You don't need one because you're Vaping unflavored which causes almost no gunk, so coils and wicks last an inordinate amount of time. And because you are "Bottom Feeder" ( in a good way, lol ) you shouldn't ever burn your wick unless you just don't squonk at all. Basically, BF mods made the travelling rebuild/coiling kit obsolete.

My kayfun is on day three -same wick and coil- since the switch to unflavored. I've never gotten this much out of one wick before, and its really due to what juice is going in my tank.

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LOL - sometimes you have to pay attention to the boilers

Yep, UFNB is EXTREMELY kind to coils and wicks. All vape gear really. I definitely see the need to carry wick stuff when you have to re wick daily. That must suck. I know absolutely nothing about any other juices except that the ones I tried were not cig like at all. Been running nothing but UFNB for over two years and damn glad I found out about it very early in to my vape career

And I think you just like building coils to while away the long day . I'd prolly do the same but my coil gizmo and reel would be either left at work or packed in a special briefcase that'd be locked to my wrist. I'm pretty sure that was what was in the briefcase in pulp fiction

 

[Moxienator]

Regarding your UFNB, what pg/vg ratio are you at? I'm planning on filling up a peko with some, but the kayfun blend is too thin to squonk.

Lol. "Say gunk one more time. Say gunk just ONE MORE gddm time. I dare you."

"Jules, which coil jig is yours?"

"Its the one that says Bad Subohmmer on it."

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[MacTechVpr]

Travel with a veritable Felix's bag-o-trix fella's. I can pretty much set up and design/wind anything, anywhere with what I get in my Red Cross bag. Just ask Justin at COV. That includes every species of wire I use, various and sundry pin vises, forceps and clamps, a broad assortment of files, awls, pin vises, drill bits and blanks, 3.5" 3-diopter magnification, two tins carrying every conceivable spare I might need for anything I own (plus others), a full redundant complement of battery spares and high-speed charger plus ohm-meters, along with all manner of wicking materials including variants of rayon (lol). But I actually use it all most times I manage to get out the door. Believe it or not several juices in volume for the sometimes nine mods that travel with the couple'a 3 or 4 in the show case. And of course it's nice to share what you love to make. How I manage to get all that neatly wrapped in micro-fiber work towels in a bag the size of an attache is a bit of a mystery harder to explain than a tensioned micro coil.

(No I'm not gonna shoot the inventory.)



Great pic's fella's. You can get anything on the go; but, it's still nice to have a pin vise.

Good luck.

 

[super_X_drifter]

Regarding your UFNB, what pg/vg ratio are you at? I'm planning on filling up a peko with some, but the kayfun blend is too thin to squonk.

Lol. "Say gunk one more time. Say gunk just ONE MORE gddm time. I dare you."

"Jules, which coil jig is yours?"

"Its the one that says Bad Subohmmer on it."

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LOMFL - yes, that's my jig. What's funny is all of my REOs are named BMF suffixed with a number.

I run nearly 100% VG. My typical mix is right around 95%. I just started to run a special "wintery mix" in winter months where I add 10% more pg to make squonking these 22 mm attys a lil easier

10-12 mg (or thereabouts) nic in the mix too.

 

[WickedWicks]

Here's a build for ya:

NUPPIN ATOMIZER - THE BUILD THAT KILLED ELVIS - YouTube

This build seems so pure & minimalistic! The noob in me is wondering what's your take on the following and if you'd consider using them:

parallel 2-strand
twisted 2-strand
or let's say a full-on fused clapton coil with self-wicking capabilities.


I assume at least the parallel one could be winded as a proper TMC

 

[super_X_drifter]

This build seems so pure & minimalistic! The noob in me is wondering what's your take on the following and if you'd consider using them:

parallel 2-strand
twisted 2-strand
or let's say a full-on fused clapton coil with self-wicking capabilities.


I assume at least the parallel one could be winded as a proper TMC

Thanks bro. I've never paralleled any coils or twisted any wire. Kinda boring ain't I ?

And I definitely wouldn't even consider a flavor of the week crazy ayuss coil like that you mention - just not my style. Simple, reliable and easily duplicatable is

 

[MacTechVpr]

This build seems so pure & minimalistic! The noob in me is wondering what's your take on the following and if you'd consider using them:

parallel 2-strand
twisted 2-strand
or let's say a full-on fused clapton coil with self-wicking capabilities.


I assume at least the parallel one could be winded as a proper TMC

Yep, parallels t.m.c.'s are def possible and.benefit from better coherence in oxidation. As we know, it's harder to get there consistently with multi-wire. It's a tough build to balance dual-coil. Certainly more than twained wire. But tensioned parallels share the weakness with lead instability as conventional coils. Lose symmetry or contact and you're going do have one funky undesirable vape.

Aug 22 I posted an idea that may have spawned before. Went on the internet numerous times to try and find an example but couldn't. Mostly 'cause I didn't want to waste my time if it was going to be as erratic as straight wind. Not finding one searching forums from my world list, I came upon this idea…twain the leads. If twisting the leads stabilized electron flow for this build…

What would twisting the leads on a tensioned parallel wind do??? Well I can't show you a new build today. I've been too busy vaping them ever since and it's become my most productive wind to date. Vaping three tonight. But I can show you the long term test I posted on VU Aug 22…

And equally as surprising these coils are every bit as stable as the single twisted center post leads like the above. I find that parallels are on the drier side of conventionals and twisted pair on the more moist cooler side. But it's a peculiar amalgam with these critters. Both these winds are a notch above a conventional t.m.c. in both flavor and vapor volume suggestive of the greater stability of symmetry the leads provide.

They're not exactly easy builds. Multi-wire isn't. But if you have the curiosity to try I would strongly recommend it. You wanna talk about a fast firing, vapor chuckin', extremely flavorful and powerful little coil then build yourself some of these. They are the target of my research right now for slightly higher res box mod builds on mono-blocks like my favorite Raiju.

Well maybe your next question might be… how do they hold up? Tell ya what, I'll take a picture of that Aug 22 build and get back at ya.

Meantime, good luck.



p.s. Anyone know of anyone building twisted lead parallels of any kind prior to above, please let me know. I'd prefer to acknowledge them, if so.

 

[MacTechVpr]

Thanks bro. I've never paralleled any coils or twisted any wire. Kinda boring ain't I ?

And I definitely wouldn't even consider a flavor of the week crazy ayuss coil like that you mention - just not my style. Simple, reliable and easily duplicatable is

Well take a gander at the above huh and LMK when you got a few. We'll hook you up man. No joke these things'll put such a kick-ayuss into your vape you'll think you dropped your topper on a series box.



They're purdy Russ. Seriously. Elegant, small and tight. Easier to pull off than the center-post. LMK.

Good luck.

 

[MacTechVpr]

Hope ya know I was funnin' ya above 'bout the twistties.



Really are wonderful little winds. And make much better sense than ordinary parallels...

Tensioned parallels are great cause you can run thin wire and put lots of wick coverage in a tight space. Can outperform larger thicker winds...

'cause they don't fall apart just lookin' at 'em.

Well you made a rebuilder out of me Russ, 18 months ago. Thx.

Gotta try to repay the favor somehow.

Good luck.

 

[nocigsnomore]

I'm waiting for 29ga which I have ordered. They didn't have 28ga which puzzled me, but now I understand. Thank you super_X_drifter.

 

[Aal_]

Found the artistic wire gizmo locally in greece. Woot!

 

[nocigsnomore]

I would like to buy it from EU too. I Goggled but didn't find any.

"UK" at the end of the search string did the trick.

Edited.

 

[Aal_]

Superx can you please post what sizes and what you are using as nuts washers and screws to hold the wire? Thanks.

 

[super_X_drifter]

Superx can you please post what sizes and what you are using as nuts washers and screws to hold the wire? Thanks.

Yes - it's in this movie

http://youtu.be/sVS37CCogK8

 

[Aal_]

Yes - it's in this movie

http://youtu.be/sVS37CCogK8

Thanks buddy

 

[MacTechVpr]

I'm waiting for 29ga which I have ordered. They didn't have 28ga which puzzled me, but now I understand. Thank you super_X_drifter.

Have you ordered your wire yet?

Some re-sellers don't wind them on proper spools. The spools are flimsy or undersized and so they cannot be used for tensioned winding with a pin vise and make the hand-hold difficult even for use with a jig.

I recommend TEMCO Kanthal Wire which ships on proper electrical spools…not the stuff meant for art wire.

You'll definitely find the wire size you need there.

Also a note that TEMCO does discount on eBay. But it's my experienced belief there's a reason for the discount and that wire offered there is off spec and of reduced tensile strength. The discovery was made over many hundreds of builds working alongside a variety of rebuilders, not just myself, as part of my ongoing studies of consumer rebuilding. Bottom line, wires snap under tension load. So I would be particularly wary of thinner gauge wire.

Caveat emptor. You get what you pay for.

Save your empty spools! In the event you come into a good buy, you can always transfer a good wire supplied on soft or small spools.

That is to say, even if you usually jig wind…hey folks, have a pin vise. Ya never know when you might need that alternative. And it's an invaluable tool regardless. A cheap pin vise and set of screw, hex, etc. bits and you have the most versatile universal screw driver possible.

Hope this helps.

Good luck.

 

[Danrogers]

Hey guys, the gizmo only has one draw back for me, you can only build on the 1/16 rod, does anyone know where I could find a steel rod 1.75mm that I could bend to work on the Gizmo. Any suggestions or ideas.would be greatly appreciated, I have tried all the obvious avenues.

 

[super_X_drifter]

Hey guys, the gizmo only has one draw back for me, you can only build on the 1/16 rod, does anyone know where I could find a steel rod 1.75mm that I could bend to work on the Gizmo. Any suggestions or ideas.would be greatly appreciated, I have tried all the obvious avenues.

Dan, if you have a hobby town or similar store that has RC cars / planes / helos, they sell it. It's called piano wire or music wire. I've bought it at hobby town. It comes in bundles of several rods. They have many different small diameter sizes in a big vertical bin.

 

[Danrogers]

Thanks excellent suggestion, I'll check it out tomorrow.

 

[rks1949]

Some nice bends there rks. A bracket there for your Shakespeare and you've got yourself a nice rig!

Good luck.

Thanks,I also bought a Coil Master,and it's not nearly as good at making coils as this is. It's got a lot of different rods for it, but (to me) it's a PITA to setup and use.