Terrible lag loading posts & threads

[rdsok]

Seems to me that the complaints come from mostly people that probably spend too much time on the forum wasting time.

I think your comments show your ignorance in these types of matters and now you appear to be trying to start an argument instead of trying to help find a possible resolution... the part that is "uncool" is that just because you haven't seen it, you don't believe other credible peoples reports... similar to a troll in fact

 

[Tequila]

So post count equals credibility. I get it now.

A dissenting voice makes me a troll just because I believe ecf does a passable job.

Wow I am so glad i don't drink the koolaid!

 

[whiskey]

I don't get lag on my mobile phone and rarely have issues on my pc.
Personally I think there are a few problems with ecf's social media integration, but it seems to me that it is mostly a few people that have issues.

To me that means they have crappy pcs and no computer savvy. My piece of garbage pc does fine...


The other option is that they just like to complain. Maybe it is both. I don't know, but to me this entire thread is a whingefest.

And your post count here says it all, right??What a brave & Friendly chap!!!
Welcome to ECF & Have a great day!!

 

[whiskey]

So post count equals credibility. I get it now.

A dissenting voice makes me a troll just because I believe ecf does a passable job.

Wow I am so glad i don't drink the koolaid!

Post count mostly all the time indicates that a member has enough knowledge about things on here to know what they are talking about and you, sir are simply posting here to stir up trouble. I am pretty sure you picked the wrong thread to start poking things with a stick.

Here's a thread you may want to re-read to help you out
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/295859-read-new-members-information-forum.html

 

[rdsok]

So post count equals credibility. I get it now.

A dissenting voice makes me a troll just because I believe ecf does a passable job.

Wow I am so glad i don't drink the koolaid!

Whiskey was correct... the post count itself has nothing to do with it but there is a correlation that a user with a higher post count is also likely to be one that actually takes the time to assist others when questions are brought up... it is the ones that are assisting that are credible people I spoke of.

There are several others that have not specifically agreed with the issue about the forum having sluggish responses here but they did it in a manner that was beneficial to the show the differences people were experiencing AND they were not simply trying to cause agitation as you have done in your recent posts here. It is the making of posts in order to only aggravate others that makes a person a troll... further posts of this nature will be reported as such and then the ECF moderators can decide.

 

[progg]

OK, the social-free template is now working: Blackend.

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Go to the bottom left of any forum page
See the spin box there, it probably says Kirsch (the default template/theme/style/skin)
Select Blackend
It is a black template with orange text
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If it works for those who have slow pageloads, we'll offer a version of our main template Kirsch with no social buttons. It may not be to your taste - I can't stand it - but it's just for testing purposes...

On Blackend we have had to leave the Facebook login integration because it is part of vBulletin. If it looks as if it is still problematic, we'll then try to hack the code to lose it from that template. May or may not be possible.

I get 3.5 second pageloads, on any thread page, including the 'Pre-vet' one with nearly 8,000 pages, where I haven't been to that page before, while logged-out, using Firefox, no plugins operating, on phone line broadband, 3,000 miles from the server, in another country. Logged-in, it goes up to 4.5 seconds.

Rolygate, (re: ^^^highlight)

Point of info -- yahooapis is the script that I have to allow for log-in. Facebook not necessary to allow. FF + NoScript.

 

[tiburonfirst]

progg, i've been running ff with dnt+ and no-script but have had numerous time-outs already this morning.

this subject is so controversial because it does not seem to happen to everyone ....... sigh
and, naturally, people without problems just don't get it and neither would i if i belonged to those.

 

[rolygate]

Progg - thanks for the info, can you please simplify it for me as I'm not sure of the exact meaning? Does it all work better for you now or is there no difference? Are you saying that something can be done by users, or by us, to improve things? We'll do what we can. It's a process of finding out what is causing the problems and fixing it.


As far as the comments made by other people here are concerned, it's probably better if we all ignore people making inflammatory comments. I don't want to close this thread because we need to continue the process of identifying the problem/s and fixing them.

My personal opinion is that problems are caused in this order, and in some cases by a combination of them:

1. Visitor's ISP is not good in terms of how they handle multiple domain requests (80% of the problem)
2. DNS issues that might possibly be resolved by changing to a better DNS service (15% of the problem)
3. Visitor's PC has some sort of issue including browser issues (5% of the problem)

So if we remove most/all of the social buttons on a template it will be a good way to test this out. If it is something else then we have a big problem because there is absolutely no issue apparent with our hosting or servers:

- Enough users get 3-second pageloads all the time, even from many thousands of miles away in other countries, that we know there is no core problem.
- None of our extensive server and network monitoring shows the slightest problem - there just aren't any faults at our servers or host.
- The only exception would be if there is some kind of a fault in our system that causes short-term faults and does not show up on any server monitor or network monitor. This is always a possibility (nothing is impossible) but it will be hard to find, as no monitoring has found it. Sometimes new issues are found that nobody knew about before - so nothing is impossible [1].

Essentially, any (frequent/permanent) issue has some form of local basis. Our job is to try and find a way to minimise that problem for those users.


[1] As a great example, consider the bogon issue. Server techies and expert SEO people will know about this. If you don't know of it, google 'bogons ate my website'. It's an example of how odd things that very few people know about can wreck a site, and be almost impossible to resolve.

 

[SilverBear]

Hi Tequila!

I wanted to go read a few more of your previous "90 posts", but strange thing... only 4 show up!

How/why do you think this is happening???

 

[CcaT]

Hi Tequila!

I wanted to go read a few more of your previous "90 posts", but strange thing... only 4 show up!

How/why do you think this is happening???

That is kind of odd. And the only posts that show are the ones saying anyone complaining is wasting resources.

 

[whiskey]

And no one liked any of those posts except???

 

[classwife]

Whoa in here please, this is going a bit South.
I know everyone is upset with the computer troubles...but let's not be turning on each other .
Thank you.

 

[Liscab]

Whoa in here please, this is going a bit South.
I know everyone is upset with the computer troubles...but let's not be turning on each other .
Thank you.

you have to tell Spaky, He seems to be Tequila

 

[spaky]

you have to tell Spaky, He seems to be Tequila

Nope. You are incorrect sir.

 

[Liscab]

Nope. You are incorrect sir.

My apologies Sir

 

[classwife]

This is what I was talking about...words can be hurtful.
Please stop.

 

[edensin]

I love the way posts degenerate to chit chat around here.

 

[oldsoldier]

Ok this is starting to get off track again, since Roly has stated he doesn't want this thread closed Its time for me to step in here.

@Tequila - While the staff appreciate the fact that you are having no issues , your abrasive tone really wasn't necessary. I know your history here on ECF and even though you haven't broken any rules this time around you should go back to being helpful instead of inflaming folks. Your second chance may be your last chance -- do you read me?

@Silverbear - Search and post counts aren't always complete. There are areas of the forum that are not indexed.

@ Whiskey - enough of the snide comments and passive aggressive edits please. stick to the facts. Don't forget that when you make snarky snide comments it still shows in the edit history even when you remove the comments and say "not worth it" or "nvm".

ETA: @Liscab shame on you. you shouldn't point fingers. In this case you were way off...

@ everyone else: Roly has mode it abundantly clear that he is aware that some people have issues and even given a relevant link to show that sometimes things are not as easy to fix as you might think. Out of the 12K active members on ECF only a small handful are experiencing the issue. This makes troubleshooting and fixing the problem much more difficult, when we have an issue that effects all users it is much easier to find and fix. Personally I have no issue with loading speed myself and I am on a residential DSL connection way out in the boonies. I also run more instances of the forum and my account loads more per page than anyone else on the forum, except perhaps Misty who also reports no issues. This may be in part because I run Linux and may also be in part that my not so good DSL provider may actually be doing something right once in awhile.

In the end all ECF can do is listen to legitimate concerns and attempt to track down the issues. Complaining about it all over the forum in mega threads that are already laggy only contributes to the problem. And no this isn't a mega thread. The people having the most issues know exactly what I am talking about.

 

[tiburonfirst]

i realize this can be a perplexing problem since not everybody has it; but today i've run into plenty of 504s and ff notices: '' connection timed out - the server did not respond in time.''
the most recent 504 i encountered trying to go from here to ''my posts'' just a few minutes ago.
atm i have only 52 threads showing up in ''my posts'' which should not present much of a load.
i really have not seen a connection between mega threads and failure to load, since i've run into a 504 trying to get to a birthday thread with less than 80 posts.
looking at my tracert i see plenty of hops before verizon gets me to level3 but i've found no way changing to a public dns; it seems that's not possible with a 3g data card.

@ sarge - i'm not convinced it's only a handful of people with this problem - few casual members will take the time to report connectivity problems in a forum this large. i have seen people complain in threads who've never posted here.


edit - latest error "server not found" trying to get to a welcome thread with 6 posts so far.
not sure if all this info is helpful ....... and i am running no-script with all of the social sites blocked.

 

[Modrod.]

As a side note. I tried running the Blackend theme that has the social media buttons disabled and noticed no difference in my slow loads. I run adblock plus and do not tracks plus anyway so I didn't expect much. Not entirely sure what's causing the slow page loads at this point other then possibly a bottleneck in the dns servers.

Edit: I also get timeouts and slow loads when simply checking my notifications, PM's or My Posts.