Terrible lag loading posts & threads

[tiburonfirst]

i'm not all that concerned with advertising vendors. as a supporting member those ads do not show up as it is and, i believe, most internet surfers do have an adblocker in place already nowadays and vendors are aware of this.
i've been running dnt+ for quite some time and have added no-script because of the above recommendations.

results: page load times have decreased some more but were never all that bad to begin with. it has NOT helped with the spinning icon as ff is waiting for a response from e-cigarette- forum.com ..................

 

[Modrod.]

I've had adblock plus in since the 'social media button debacle' awhile back. It hasn't had any effect on the current page load issue. They weren't like that for me in previous months. In fact, the last couple months is when I first started having issues here. Prior to the last couple months I've no issues here.

 

[Killjoy1]

^^^ same here (been using Adblock much longer than that, but only at that time added the social widget block list). I don't even see the social widgets on any ECF pages, so I suspect what I've seen in terms of the 504 issue hasn't been related to those. I could be wrong, but that's the conclusion I come to based on my limited knowledge

FWIW, Aside from the couple of days prior to this thread starting and the couple of days after, I haven't been having any further issues. Pages have been loading as normal for me with the exception of maybe a week or so where I had intermittent problems with timeouts

I hope that info is helpful

 

[DaveP]

Rdsok, you are right I don't have any anti virus on my PCs, i stopped using them 6 or 7 years ago and i have not faced problems at all , of course I am not a great surfer and i close the unwanted adds by Ctrl/shift/esc

Dangerous way to surf unless you are running a flavor of Unix/Linux. No antivirus programs running is like leaving the doors unlocked. Just for grins, run one and tell us what it finds. While you are at it, download Spybot and let it reveal all the rest of the little peskware it finds. It's there. I'd bet big bucks. Each one of those little malware downloads hooks itself into the fabric of your OS and sifts through your throughput looking for whatever it was designed to filter and report.

Adblock plus fixed my social media lag problem. MalwareBytes (registered) fixed any re-directs to rogue sites. The very few times I get a 504 error, I go to command prompt and ping the ECF site address and get no response which indicates the server is really down.

I get "waiting for" <insert external site> even on Amazon.com. Sometimes I have to hit F5 multiple times (reload) before a load occurs. That's random and infrequent, but it happens. Ad services do increase load times.

 

[Liscab]

Dangerous way to surf ... no antivirus programs running. Just for grins, run one and tell us what it finds. While you are at it, download Spybot and let it reveal all the rest of the little peskware it finds. It's there. I'd bet big bucks. Each one of those little malware downloads hooks itself into the fabric of your OS and sifts through your throughput.

A few days ago suddenly I have a problem to go to some page on the web , I ran a malware I nothing was found, I tried on another puter i never use and It was the same, after many test I found out it was the filter that goes from my modem to the wall phone outlet

 

[DaveP]

Another little tool that will tell you where the bottleneck lies is the Windows command prompt. Run TRACERT and look at the transit times for all the hops between you and ECF. You might be surprised where the problem lies and it will change as loads vary on other servers between you and ECF.

I won't go into detail about how to do it, but you can Google "using tracert" to get instructions.

 

[whiskey]

I guess you could run all the tests you want, But what's the cure, and will one be installed for the ECF members, is the question behind this thread.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Another little tool that will tell you where the bottleneck lies is the Windows command prompt. Run TRACERT and look at the transit times for all the hops between you and ECF. You might be surprised where the problem lies and it will change as loads vary on other servers between you and ECF.

I won't go into detail about how to do it, but you can Google "using tracert" to get instructions.

That's all fine and dandy, but the issue lies with ECF, not with our computers. I don't have any problem with any other site on the net but here. In the words of that great philospher, "It's NOT OUR COMPUTERS dude!!!!!!!!!"

 

[martinc]

ECF server uses PulseWidthModulation (like a Vmax) and we just happend to be clicking in between pulses

 

[Liscab]

Another little tool that will tell you where the bottleneck lies is the Windows command prompt. Run TRACERT and look at the transit times for all the hops between you and ECF. You might be surprised where the problem lies and it will change as loads vary on other servers between you and ECF.

I won't go into detail about how to do it, but you can Google "using tracert" to get instructions.

right now ECF is running so fast for me, there is not way to make it run faster.......... only at night time there is a little problem when i try to reply but it does no happens all the time

Why I don't know but I am one of the few ones who has not problems but there are so many members facing huge lags so it has to be a problem with the vBulletin or the many filters ECF had installed to keep the forum clean

 

[DaveP]

right now ECF is running so fast for me, there is not way to make it run faster.......... only at night time there is a little problem when i try to reply but it does no happens all the time

Why I don't know but I am one of the few ones who has not problems but there are so many members facing huge lags so it has to be a problem with the vBulletin or the many filters ECF had installed to keep the forum clean

When the new version hit, my response time went south all of a sudden. That's when the social media sites appeared and we were waiting for them to load and respond. I configured Adblock Plus to ignore social media and the problem went away for good. There are times when the internet route to the UK is congested or my local DNS server is backed up or when the ECF site is experiencing high login rates, but those are transient and usually associated with high usage times of the day.

For the most part I'm fairly fast in my ECF connection except for short periods when I'd expect high usage from the after 9pm crowd in the U.S.

 

[rdsok]

That's all fine and dandy, but the issue lies with ECF, not with our computers. I don't have any problem with any other site on the net but here. In the words of that great philospher, "It's NOT OUR COMPUTERS dude!!!!!!!!!"

DaveP was not implying the issue was with our computers... just mentioning a utility to measure the delays you can see on the route to the server on the other end.

 

[DaveP]

DaveP was not implying the issue was with our computers... just mentioning a utility to measure the delays you can see on the route to the server on the other end.

Exactly, the routing to and from a site may go all over the U.S. before it leaves U.S. borders and heads to the U.K. to link with ECF. Any congested server along the way will hold you in line until you rise to the top of the queue and continue the path to your destination. We blame it on our targeted link, but the delay can be anywhere.

If it says "Looking up .. www.e-cigarette-forum.com", chances are that a crowded DNS server is the problem. It's busy and you have to wait until it has time to provide the IP address it translates from the URL you entered.

If you want to do some hop monitoring and see where your path takes you before arriving at ECF, download NeoTrace Pro and install it. It will give you a visual trace from city to city as it bounces between servers and draw your journey on a map. I just did it on NeoTrace Pro and I'm 17 hops away from ECF. You can look at all the hops, examine the tech data, and see where you were delayed.

The download is free and allows you a limited number of days or uses before purchasing. Mine has been installed for two years and says I have 30 days left. I use it only occasionally when I want to see what the heck is going on.
http://neotrace-pro.en.softonic.com/

 

[DaveP]

FWIW, here's a tracert I just did while I was getting the "Waiting for www.e-cigarette-forum.com" prompt on Firefox. It's hard to tell what was going on at the exact moment a delay is occurring unless you run a continuous loop trace, but it's an indication of busy hops. All of this can change as your ISP does some re-routing to alleviate congestion. I x'ed out my IP address for security reasons.

A call to your ISP can sometimes highlight an overloaded router in your local loop and they might change you over to a less crowded rack. It's always worth a call to ISP tech support to see if the tech can look at where your line is connected at the central office and move you.

The bolded word BORDER below in the listing indicates the point where the U.S. servers turned over the link to a router in another network. In this case, it was a border router in LiquidWeb. At that point it was in Chicago heading across the pond to the UK. The one above is where the link was passed to GIGLINX which is a global company that does international connections. It's in Chicago, too. The Liquidweb hops havve gone from Chicago to to Lansing, Michigan. At that point, the ping time doubled likely due to congestion.

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Windows\system32>tracert www.e-cigarette-forum.com

Tracing route to e-cigarette-forum.com [72.52.242.206]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 3 ms 2 ms 2 ms dslmodem [192.168.0.1]
2 23 ms 22 ms 22 ms adsl-xx-xx-xx-xxx.mcn.bellsouth.net [xx.xx.xx.xxx]

3 25 ms 25 ms 26 ms 12.81.70.30
4 26 ms 26 ms 25 ms 12.81.70.2
5 26 ms 26 ms 25 ms 12.83.2.200
6 148 ms 99 ms 109 ms 12.81.16.55
7 27 ms 26 ms 27 ms 74.175.192.90
8 30 ms 29 ms 28 ms cr2.attga.ip.att.net [12.122.140.186]
9 26 ms 26 ms 26 ms attga04jt.ip.att.net [12.122.84.149]
10 27 ms 75 ms 26 ms 192.205.36.122
11 75 ms 74 ms 74 ms xe-5-0-0.chi12.ip4.tinet.net [89.149.181.150]
12 75 ms 79 ms 64 ms giglinx-gw.ip4.tinet.net [173.241.129.86]
13 64 ms 111 ms 63 ms lw-border5-te1-4.rtr.liquidweb.com [209.59.157.2
14]
14 273 ms 207 ms 206 ms lw-dc2-core3-te9-1.rtr.liquidweb.com [209.59.157
.224]
15 71 ms 71 ms 72 ms lw-dc2-sec1-dist1-po1.rtr.liquidweb.com [209.59.
157.216]
16 73 ms 73 ms 74 ms host.e-cigarette-forum.com [72.52.242.206]

Trace complete.

C:\Windows\system32>

 

[tiburonfirst]

When the new version hit, my response time went south all of a sudden. That's when the social media sites appeared and we were waiting for them to load and respond. I configured Adblock Plus to ignore social media and the problem went away for good. There are times when the internet route to the UK is congested or my local DNS server is backed up or when the ECF site is experiencing high login rates, but those are transient and usually associated with high usage times of the day.

For the most part I'm fairly fast in my ECF connection except for short periods when I'd expect high usage from the after 9pm crowd in the U.S.

i might remember wrong but i believe all ecf servers are in the states.

and from your tracert, liquidweb seems to be the weakest link.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

DaveP was not implying the issue was with our computers... just mentioning a utility to measure the delays you can see on the route to the server on the other end.

My comment was meant in jest, as just about everything i say on this site (I have a very dry sense of humor). I don't know 'jack' about computers; I just navigate and do things that I have no idea how I do them, but it works for me. And, I'm able to accomplish everything I need to.

My comments were really directed at one individual for chits and giggles... that individual got my poke. Sometimes things get way too serious/heated on ECF and I like to interject a little comedy (you or others may not find it funny, sorry). My quote of the day still stands: "sometimes you just need to slowdown and taste the strawberries."

On a completely serious note and no sarcasm meant or implied: Thank you for your comments. Please come visit me and all the great people in the pre-vet forum. My sincerest apologies to DaveP if you took my comments in pejorative terms. Thank you to all for your concern about about getting ECF working correctly.

And yes, I have too much time on my hands today.

 

[DaveP]

The map shows the last connection (72.52.242.206) to be in London/Westminster. The three previous are in Lansing, Michigan. I agree that it is the weakest link.

 

[DaveP]

My comment was meant in jest, as just about everything i say on this site (I have a very dry sense of humor). I don't know 'jack' about computers; I just navigate and do things that I have no idea how I do them, but it works for me. And, I'm able to accomplish everything I need to.

My comments were really directed at one individual for chits and giggles... that individual got my poke. Sometimes things get way too serious/heated on ECF and I like to interject a little comedy (you or others may not find it funny, sorry). My quote of the day still stands: "sometimes you just need to slowdown and taste the strawberries."

On a completely serious note and no sarcasm meant or implied: Thank you for your comments. Please come visit me and all the great people in the pre-vet forum. And my sincerest apologies to DaveP if you took my comments in pejorative terms. And thank you to all for your concern about about getting ECF working correctly.

And yes, I have too much time on my hands today.

Not a problem. I viewed the whole thread as an opportunity to inject some realism into a problem that can have many causes. That led me to spend some time doing some sleuthing to see what the heck was going on. Of course, a tracert only tells me how long it took to establish a single connection. It doesn't say anything about the wait at the "counter" for the merchandise (data).

 

[tiburonfirst]

The map shows the last connection (72.52.242.206) to be in London/Westminster. The three previous are in Lansing, Michigan. I agree that it is the weakest link.

ah, might be that the last server roly announced to be added is located in the uk! since ecf had 3 servers previously .....

 

[whiskey]

Not a problem. I viewed the whole thread as an opportunity to inject some realism into a problem that can have many causes. That led me to spend some time doing some sleuthing to see what the heck was going on. Of course, a tracert only tells me how long it took to establish a single connection. It doesn't say anything about the wait at the "counter" for the merchandise (data).

And now that we have had tons upon tons of realism "injected" here, my question as the op of this thread stands unanswered...Is there something currently being done with ECF's servers to help fix these problems??