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Something that I've always wondered about:

The ICR version of AW batteries say on the label, "batteries made in China, IC and cell made in Japan."

The IMR version of AW batteries say only, "Made in China".

I also find it odd that many of the supposed sources of AW batteries (Panasonic & Samsung) do not market/sell batteries in 18350 or 18490 size, but AW does.

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Once again. What does "Made" Mean in this Context?

If they said that the "Cells" are in ________. Or if they said that the Battery was Assembled in _________. We might have a Better Idea of What has been done Where.
 

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    I think that Efest must have tested the batteries at 35A and discarded the ones that don't qualify before putting a 35A label on them. As I mentioned, these batteries are being used sub-ohm, have not exploded, and do not get hot. IME, they are working great and last for a long time.

    Which simply means that the 20 amp LG18650HE2 is a good battery with a 30 amp PULSE rating.

    From the Efest web site:
    Size weight: 55g Length:
    66.39mm
    Diamter: 18.33mm
    Info top: button top Bottom: non-procted
    Capacity Typical Capacity: 2100mAh Min capacity: 2000mAh
    Max discharge current 30A quick charge current 2000mA (1C)
    Quick discharge current 3000mA
    cycle life: 300 times
    Charge cut-off voltage 4.2V ± 0.5V
    Charge cut-off current 5A
    Initial Impedance Max: 15mΩ discharge cut-off voltage 3.0V

    They simply say the pulse discharge rate twice. 30a, and 3,000ma are the same thing.
    Note that it says 30 amps (not 35 amps) on their own spec sheet.
     
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    Which simply means that the 20 amp LG18650HE2 is a good battery with a 30 amp PULSE rating.

    From the Efest web site:


    They simply say the pulse discharge rate twice. 30a, and 3,000ma are the same thing.
    Note that it says 30 amps (not 35 amps) on their own spec sheet.

    Nope. 3000 ma is 3 amps, not 30.

    Edit to add: and, the pulse rate is as the name implies, a short duration. Fast discharge current rating is the maximum rate you can go from fully charged to discharged without harm to the battery.
     
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    I'm glad there are reputable independent labs who are checking the specs of batteries like Dampfakkus so that we are even aware of the specification discrepancies in the first place. This helps consumers to make wiser choices in the batteries that we use in our mods. We can be on the alert that some batteries are not what they are advertised to be, and could be dangerous if we believe what the manufacturer or reseller quotes. Apparently there is no regulatory agency insuring that battery manufacturers are staying on spec for their product.

    The Japanese/Chinese battery industry has become extremely competitive and some manufacturers & resellers will go to any means possible to gain a competitive edge in the market. Corporate greed at any cost to reputation or safety. Some have earned a reputation of being reputable (AW, LG, Panasonic, Samsung) while others have been found to be disreputable (Efest, EH, Surefire, Trustfire, Ultrafire).

    The worst offenders make counterfeit batteries. They take the rejects of the respectable manufacturers and re-wrap them. Others harvest the used batteries from old laptop computers and re-wrap them. These become inferior clones of popular brands like AW and Sony. It's a very profitable business -- buy a battery for 10 cents, rewrap it, and sell it for $10. All the AW batteries sold on Alibaba, a major supplier resource in China, are counterfeits; many of those are purchased by resellers and end up on Amazon & Ebay.

    Even a reputable vendor like Illumination Supply was recently duped when they unknowingly got a shipment of fake Sony's. On initial inspection they appeared to be genuine, but something was amiss. Further investigation found them to be re-wrapped Samsung INR18650-25R 2500mAh 20A. Not a bad battery to be sure, but only 20 amps continuous and not 30 like they were supposed to be. Illumination did the right thing and offered a full refund to customers who purchased these batteries.

    And then there is the confusion of continuous discharge rate vs pulse discharge rate. One is an industry standard which is useful to compare one battery against another spec wise; the other is rather meaningless. I'm amazed at the number of cloud chasers who are running 0.1 ohm resistance on their batteries which is clearly above spec for any battery currently available. How many are running the "35" amp purple Efests and using that resistance and believing they are really 35 amps? They have no margin for error.

    Becoming more and more commonplace is the phenomenon of first time vapers who are leaving B&M shops with unsafe mechanical setups with inadequate batteries and absolutely no instruction/education on safety. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/596177-new-member-need-help-stingray.html Vaping has been growing by leaps and bounds, but I'm not certain that I like the direction things are going. We were supposed to take up this venture to be a risk reduction against tobacco product use, but it has become replaced by a competitive extreme sports activity. This was culminated last weekend when a spectator's mod exploded during a cloud chasing contest at Vape Blast. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-vaping-discussion/594756-explosion-vape-blast.html The explosion was like a live grenade going off, spraying metal particles into the ceiling and causing a fire on the carpet. It was a miracle that no one was seriously injured.
     
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    Which simply means that the 20 amp LG18650HE2 is a good battery with a 30 amp PULSE rating.

    From the Efest web site:
    Size weight: 55g Length:
    66.39mm
    Diamter: 18.33mm
    Info top: button top Bottom: non-procted
    Capacity Typical Capacity: 2100mAh Min capacity: 2000mAh
    Max discharge current 30A quick charge current 2000mA (1C)
    Quick discharge current 3000mA
    cycle life: 300 times
    Charge cut-off voltage 4.2V ± 0.5V.
    Charge cut-off current 5A
    Initial Impedance Max: 15mΩ discharge cut-off voltage 3.0V

    They simply say the pulse discharge rate twice. 30a, and 3,000ma are the same thing.
    Note that it says 30 amps (not 35 amps) on their own spec sheet.

    Ok, it has been shown that the label on these batteries may be misleading. The batteries are working for me, however. I don't think you posted the right specifications. The ones I have been using are 2500mah, with a 35A label. Do you have an LG spec sheet for these?
     

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    Ok, it has been shown that the label on these batteries may be misleading. The batteries are working for me, however. I don't think you posted the right specifications. The ones I have been using are 2500mah, with a 35A label. Do you have an LG spec sheet for these?
    Efest 18650 2500 mAh 35 amp AkkuDB

    Dampfakkus.de said:
    This is a rebranded LG 18650HE2 cell. Careful: max continuous discharge rate for this cell is 20A *NOT* 35A as advertised by Efest. According to LGs spec sheet 35A is only permissible for short periods not to exceed 75 seconds.


    LG ICR18650HE2 2500 mAh High Discharge Flat Top (LGBDHE21865)

    Specifications:
    Nominal Capacity: 2500 mAh
    Nominal Voltage: 3.6V
    Discharge End Voltage: 2.5V
    Standard Charging Current: 1.25A
    Charging Voltage: 4.20+-0.05V
    Max. Continuous Discharging Current: 20A
    Internal Resistance: <20 milli-ohms

    18650 LG 18650HE2 2500mAh High Discharge Flat Top - Batteries - Batteries, Chargers, and PowerPax Carriers
     

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    According to this guide, pulse rating means a 30 second discharge:

    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...zcVKo1BJLRs0sZgVw&sig2=0FRVAdIf7rzfQ0ScrfGxRQ
    If you do any amount of research into pulse ratings, you'll find that each battery manufacturer and vendor has a different definition of what they consider the length of time a pulse rating is. If you note in the above post, LG considers their pulse rating to be less than 75 seconds. So my point is made, every manufacturer has their own definition of the pulse rating.

    The link you provided above is for automobiles.

    "Maximum 30-sec Discharge Pulse Current –The maximum current at which the
    battery can be discharged for pulses of up to 30 seconds. This limit is usually defined by
    the battery manufacturer
    in order to prevent excessive discharge rates that would damage
    the battery or reduce its capacity. Along with the peak power of the electric motor, this
    defines the acceleration performance (0-60 mph time) of the vehicle."
     
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    According to this guide, pulse rating means a 30 second discharge:

    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...zcVKo1BJLRs0sZgVw&sig2=0FRVAdIf7rzfQ0ScrfGxRQ

    Cool.

    The Fine Folks at the MIT Electric Vehicle Team back in 2008 made this Definition...

    Maximum 30-sec Discharge Pulse Current –The maximum current at which the
    battery can be discharged for pulses of up to 30 seconds. This limit is usually defined by
    the battery manufacturer in order to prevent excessive discharge rates that would damage
    the battery or reduce its capacity. Along with the peak power of the electric motor

    So now the Question is Do Battery OEM or Testers use the Same Definition?

    I think we are Back to Square 1.
     

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    Which simply means that the 20 amp LG18650HE2 is a good battery with a 30 amp PULSE rating.

    From the Efest web site:


    They simply say the pulse discharge rate twice. 30a, and 3,000ma are the same thing.
    Note that it says 30 amps (not 35 amps) on their own spec sheet.

    That's not the purple "35a" 2600 mAh Efest though. The specs are for the purple 30a 2100 mAh Efest. The latter is a rewrapped Sony vtc4 so the stated 30a max discharge rating is accurate.
     
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