The BF experiment

[Quigsworth]

I was waiting for Quigs to mod this, but since it came in today, I went for it anyway. I created a new hollow (1/16") 510 pin from a M3 pan head. I brought the head diameter down to 3.9mm and needed to place a small o-ring to make up for some of the height to get a nice fit in the insulator. The pin is now height adjustable. It sits a bit too high on the V3 Squonker and is slightly too big for the device. But it is an impressive vape.

Couple questions gdeal...to be clear, this is the infinity Magma?...and the pos. pin is M3 x .5 threaded?...and what is that mod? V3 Squonker?...did you build that?

 

[elscorcho]

Er em, excuse me, Mr. Quigsworth, sir....

Did the Ehpro Trident V2 clone that you modded for brickfollet look like this one? If so do you have any pointers? I'm hoping the ehpro is different and therefore easier to mod. ...THANKS!

(I bought these cheap FT clones to practice on and I have an Ehpro on the way)

Did you mod yours yet? My cheap Trident V2 clone looks like this: View attachment 349677

The insulator on the bottom side (not pictured, sorry) is literally paper-thin.... not much drillable material there. I don't think the cutoff wheel/dremel method would work either as the slots on both post pieces would have to line up with slots in the "inner bushing".

There's an intergrated inner bushing portion of the insulator that juts out and acts as a spacer between the two pieces of the adjustable post. (you can see it in the pic)......

 

[Quigsworth]

Er em, excuse me, Mr. Quigsworth, sir....

Did the Ehpro Trident V2 clone that you modded for brickfollet look like this one? If so do you have any pointers? I'm hoping the ehpro is different and therefore easier to mod. ...THANKS!

(I bought these cheap FT clones to practice on and I have an Ehpro on the way)

Mr. Quigsworth?, lol...yup, I remember that one...I did one for myself as well and then closed the book on bf'ing Tridents...they suck when it comes to bf'ing ...I first tried to drill the copper center pin...about half way through the copper grabbed the bit and snapped it (apparently that's what copper does) so I ended up slotting it (enough to dig out what was left of my drill bit and, well, slot it)...I then tossed it into a shot glass with some vinigar and hydrogen peroxide and set it aside...

I left the SS center post in the RDA, I gave each side (below the thread line, at the base) a touch with a cut-off wheel on a dremel so the bit wouldn't walk on me, screwed it into a jig I use with my drill press vice and tilted the table to about 45 degrees...snapped another bit just as it went through, at least I was able to pop the bit tip out, I then chucked up a 3rd bit and drilled the other hole...pfft

I do this for free for peeps cause I like doing it...plus my job keeps my Karma balance nicely in the red, so doing this helps...but no more Tridents

 

[gdeal]

Couple questions gdeal...to be clear, this is the infinity Magma?...and the pos. pin is M3 x .5 threaded?...and what is that mod? V3 Squonker?...did you build that?

Yes, Magma RDA Clone by Infinite - Eciggity. Yes, the positive pin is M3 x .5 and yes...I built that mod.

There is a DNA 30 tucked in the bottom. More on the mod here. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...inted-dna30-bottom-feeder-3.html#post13300653

By the way I first looked at channeling out the two plastic insulators. The material looked a little thin and will probably need a couple of channels to get good a flow rate. I though try the screw first, I can replace that a bit easier than the insulators.

 

[Quigsworth]

Good call, drilling that screw was surprisingly a piece of cake, reason I asked is I'm really digging this Magma and thinking of hybriding it so I'll have to fab an extended pin...a M3 die is something I don't have...now I have an excuse...

That's an impressive Shapeway print...is it your cad?...as my mods started to get a little more complex I started building them in sketchup (my other favorite playtoy) to save myself a world of hurt and knowing I could export the file with a 3d print plug-in but never got around to it...I found I just love the whole ground up fabrication...ya, it takes hours but I'm pretty ADHD, it muffles the noise , regardless, some nice building (I especially love the ball contacts), well done.

 

[elscorcho]

Mr. Quigsworth?, lol...yup, I remember that one...I did one for myself as well and then closed the book on bf'ing Tridents...they suck when it comes to bf'ing ...I first tried to drill the copper center pin...about half way through the copper grabbed the bit and snapped it (apparently that's what copper does) so I ended up slotting it (enough to dig out what was left of my drill bit and, well, slot it)...I then tossed it into a shot glass with some vinigar and hydrogen peroxide and set it aside...

I left the SS center post in the RDA, I gave each side (below the thread line, at the base) a touch with a cut-off wheel on a dremel so the bit wouldn't walk on me, screwed it into a jig I use with my drill press vice and tilted the table to about 45 degrees...snapped another bit just as it went through, at least I was able to pop the bit tip out, I then chucked up a 3rd bit and drilled the other hole...pfft

I do this for free for peeps cause I like doing it...plus my job keeps my Karma balance nicely in the red, so doing this helps...but no more Tridents

Thanks for the walk-through!

Wow! Now I don't feel so bad about my disaster of a first attempt! (Wasn't sure if all tridents were a PITA or just the versions I had). I'll save the remaining two for when I'm bored and want a challenge.

Time to get to work on my stockpile of atomics! (which is where I should of started in the first place!)

 

[SLIPPY_EEL]

That was just me being snarky.





Ok I think I get it now. You are saying the Magma, Atomic and Tobh atomizers taste hella better (can't help it, I'm from NorCal) than the RM2 and I pretty much agree. I love the RM2 for ease of use and the virtual leak-proof design, but the Magma and Atomic both vape better. (the Tobh to me is about the same.. shrug maybe I need a different build to bring out more flavor with it) Which is why I'm going to be converting clones for bottom feeding and see how I like them on my LP Grands. If they are as good as on my regular tube mods I'll be getting and converting the real deals.

I love the Reos because they are an all in one package, and now with the upgraded contacts available for sub-ohming and the Low Profile versions that allow you to use any dripper you want that you can convert to bottom feeding it's about as perfect of a device as you can get. Now the OliveR has had all this from the beginning so same thing goes for the dibi.

I really think you are confusing your dislike for the RM2 atomizer for a dislike of the whole bottom feeding mod. There is no reason an Atomic converted to bottom feeder would not taste just as good on a Reo/Dibi when you squonk to wet the wick rather than dripping the ejuice from the top by removing the cap or dripping down through the drip tip hole.

I think this whole discussion will go away as soon as Rob starts releasing better bottom feeding atomizers, and/or some more mod makers start selling a bottom feeding center pin option with their atomizers. The Origen V2, has a bottom feed center post you can buy, and the makers of the Zenith atomizer has teased a photo of what looks like a bottom feeding center post for the Zenith, but it's not available yet. Both the Tobh and the Magma would be super easy to switch over to bottom feeding if the makers would just sell center pins with the correct holes or channels drilled in them. Both just unscrew. The Atomic would be a little harder, but I digress.

Well SLIPPY_EEL. I'm not going to keep trying to make my point. I think everyone should enjoy vaping however they want and if your way is dripping and not using a bottom feeder that's fine, I was basically just trying to understand and maybe clarify a few points.

Vape on my friend. However you want to do it.

Ken

Hi again Ken

I would have to say the Atomic is a very similar vape to the Rm2, although i dont get as much muting of my fav juice with the Atomic, it might have something to do with the tank volumes!? i'm still unsure what it is, i thought it might be something to do with the coil's be close to the deck of the Rm2, possible.
I know there is'nt much in it but i put the Tobh above the Magma for taste, but i have seen a few people think the opposite, which make's me wonder if they had the coil's to far away from the air intake, the reason i say this is that the Tobh has the raised outer edge that makes the deep well, i would imagine people would build the coil sitting inside of this instead of over the top as i do.. .. you cant see it in this pic but i also have a gap underneath the coil about the same thickness as the coil, which would put the coil in that imaginary line area drawn from the airhole to the DT opening..


Dont get confused, i will still squonk and probably would have modded the Tobh and Magma for the dib i had ordered, but dib gave me an estimate of late april for it, and as it's got closer to that time its seemed to have progressed to 3months past that, i was suppose to be in the run being done right now... i havent got any problem's with it, apart from the fact i only have the one PV which is an issue with having the money to spend rather then deciding to only have one PV
While i've been waiting i got this magma, tobh & atomic to mod for BF, but i hadnt modded them yet, so i've been Dripping with them on my non-LP Reo with the 510-510 adapter and this is where i found out that i now dont need another squonker
I've saved myself £200 and i can just buy a non-squonking mech and bypass the need to buy multiple squonking mech's, i can just swap Rba's if i need a change.

I certainly havent missed squonking for the last 4-5 day's ..its strange but im finding dripping is less messy IMO, but i do have my reo if i drive so not all is lost at the time's when dripping is messy!

Dont postulate! just Vape!

 

[gdeal]

Good call, drilling that screw was surprisingly a piece of cake, reason I asked is I'm really digging this Magma and thinking of hybriding it so I'll have to fab an extended pin...a M3 die is something I don't have...now I have an excuse...

That's an impressive Shapeway print...is it your cad?...as my mods started to get a little more complex I started building them in sketchup (my other favorite playtoy) to save myself a world of hurt and knowing I could export the file with a 3d print plug-in but never got around to it...I found I just love the whole ground up fabrication...ya, it takes hours but I'm pretty ADHD, it muffles the noise , regardless, some nice building (I especially love the ball contacts), well done.

Hybrid Bottom Feeder?

Why not just get something like this (McMaster-Carr) and cut/drill to size?

I use Autodesk Inventor and I hear ya on the ADHD, but I think there was also bit of OCD as well. It started as a quick mock up and is now a monster size file....

 

[Kentastic]

Hi again Ken

I would have to say the Atomic is a very similar vape to the Rm2, although i dont get as much muting of my fav juice with the Atomic, it might have something to do with the tank volumes!? i'm still unsure what it is, i thought it might be something to do with the coil's be close to the deck of the Rm2, possible.
I know there is'nt much in it but i put the Tobh above the Magma for taste, but i have seen a few people think the opposite, which make's me wonder if they had the coil's to far away from the air intake, the reason i say this is that the Tobh has the raised outer edge that makes the deep well, i would imagine people would build the coil sitting inside of this instead of over the top as i do.. .. you cant see it in this pic but i also have a gap underneath the coil about the same thickness as the coil, which would put the coil in that imaginary line area drawn from the airhole to the DT opening..


Dont get confused, i will still squonk and probably would have modded the Tobh and Magma for the dib i had ordered, but dib gave me an estimate of late april for it, and as it's got closer to that time its seemed to have progressed to 3months past that, i was suppose to be in the run being done right now... i havent got any problem's with it, apart from the fact i only have the one PV which is an issue with having the money to spend rather then deciding to only have one PV
While i've been waiting i got this magma, tobh & atomic to mod for BF, but i hadnt modded them yet, so i've been Dripping with them on my non-LP Reo with the 510-510 adapter and this is where i found out that i now dont need another squonker
I've saved myself £200 and i can just buy a non-squonking mech and bypass the need to buy multiple squonking mech's, i can just swap Rba's if i need a change.

I certainly havent missed squonking for the last 4-5 day's ..its strange but im finding dripping is less messy IMO, but i do have my reo if i drive so not all is lost at the time's when dripping is messy!

Dont postulate! just Vape!

Oh my TOBH build look nothing like that. I'm building my coils just right in the middle of the drip well area about halfway between the post and the edge of the deck. I do have it the same height and wicked about the same, just further in. I'll have to give your method a try and see if I get better flavor out of my clone TOBH.

Well I'm also on the list for a dibi, but mine is like a year off. If you want to give up your spot to a desperate guy that argues with you about bottom feeders I'd take it! LMAO! (I'm laughing, but I'm also totally serious... I so want a dibi)

I do a lot of commuting and vaping away from home so regular dripping for me is more of a pain. Bottom feeders are a total mess-saver for me, but I can see how you would like your dripping better. Much easier for the same if not better taste without the "complications" of a bottom feeder.

I postulated once.... but it turned out OK after a trip to the doctor.

later,
Ken

 

[SLIPPY_EEL]

Hi Ken, pdib won't let me give my spot to anyone as he said i've given up my spot not traded spot's, i also have two other spot's but the same will no doubt apply to them also, sorry i can't help you out my friend

 

[Fishsnapper]

Still a noob...looking around I found a Brass Monkee Clone for $23. Does this look like it's a candidate for the Mama (just drill two holes in the insluator) method? Has anyone tried it?

 

[muzichead]

Ok, so the Trident came in today and after about 30 minutes of looking at the post assembly after I took it apart and it dawned on all of a sudden. Man, that 30 years selling fasteners for a living kind of came back to haunt me for a bit!! They actually used a stepped down spacer or flanged bushing in it. This was probably for a few reasons, but don't need to get into all that. Once I figured out what it was it was relatively easy to mod. It received a few scratches along the way, but none of them affect the vape at all!!!

With the top post in place I drilled the insulator from the top side down to the step using the post to help guide the bit. Removed the top post and then drilled down through the step, out the bottom side. It didn't actually drill much from the sidewalls as the bottom side of the insulator is still a solid piece. I used the side of the drill bit to make a small channel the rest of the way down to the end of the 510 connector. As it turns out it actually made channels in both sides if the inside of the insulator. Pretty cool... I used an exacto knife to clean up most of the burrs that the drill bit left behind. I put the copper screw back in and tightened it all back down and then adjusted the screw slightly to where you can see the channels through the slots on the screw head. Squonks and drains very well. Here's some pics of it prior to cleaning it all up with the exacto knife. I will try to post some cleaned up pics later on. Wanted to get my vape on!!!


Forgot to add, I used a #65 drill bit for this project...

 

[Quigsworth]

Ya, like where were you a month ago Music? ...lol...this insulator modding has made bf'ing RDA's accessible to everyone

good job

 

[Kentastic]

Hi Ken, pdib won't let me give my spot to anyone as he said i've given up my spot not traded spot's, i also have two other spot's but the same will no doubt apply to them also, sorry i can't help you out my friend

Hey it's cool. I knew it wasn't going to be that easy. LOL

Vape on.

Ken

 

[Kentastic]

for the record, Ken, i've never even dreamed about saying that

You B lyin' Mama. You'd totally say hella if the circumstances hella called for it! Also nobody uses records anymore old timer. It's all hella digital.

 

[muzichead]

Yikes, used a number 65 and it was too big ended up...somehow warping my 510 connection just enough to where I am going to have to chase the threads with a die. oh well at least it was a clone and not authentic. but now my chi you dosn't have its companion for the time being. I think the dremel slotting method would be more suited for the quasar the center post was super easy to push out and slot which I did only to find out the 510 was jacked.

How did you end up warping the 510 connection? Was it on a Trident or Atomic? Did you try drilling all the way down through the 510 connector? Trying to picture it, but after modding mine its the only thing I can think of... I had no problem with the Trident and the #65 bit. I used a #60 on the Atomic and had no problems with it either...

 

[muzichead]

Ya, like where were you a month ago Music? ...lol...this insulator modding has made bf'ing RDA's accessible to everyone

good job

A month ago I was vaping a Cyclone single coil on a regular grand. I knew it was a mistake having Rob mill it down to LP!!! I now have 3 atty's modded for and still am finding myself looking for another... I just need to save up for a 2nd LP as of now...

 

[muzichead]

Just a thought...the other day I was in my favorite toy store and saw a packet of really thin (and I mean really...) for a scroll saw...they may be the ticket to notch insulators cleanly. Thoughts?

It sounds like a good possibility. Probably would've worked great on the Trident...

i was thinking about this earlier to, i was wondering if it would be possible to carve notch's with a sharp blade or maybe take the +post out and run the side of a 1mm drill bit against the inside of the insulator, although the db might break

Not sure the sharp blade thing would work very well. The insulator on the Trident was the hardest I've come across yet. You would need to get some really good leverage on the blade and not much room in there for that. Just a though...

 

[SLIPPY_EEL]

It sounds like a good possibility. Probably would've worked great on the Trident...



Not sure the sharp blade thing would work very well. The insulator on the Trident was the hardest I've come across yet. You would need to get some really good leverage on the blade and not much room in there for that. Just a though...

i'm just throwing ideas, i wonder if you set some wire up on your pv and melt away a groove in the insulator

 

[Blitzdonlife]

I modified my first atomizer today for bottom feeding, a quasar. I was trying to do two quasars, but the drill bit broke off inside the center post. Is it possible to drill out a TiN bit using a cobalt bit? Any help is appreciated, I figured some of y'all might have had this happen and come up with a solution.