The BF experiment

[hildicat]

Wondering if anyone has modded the magma by drilling holes in the insulator ala the latest quigsworth atomic mod? Got the clone en route. Will report back with my success or failure with this method (its really my only option given my lack of skill and tools...).

Speaking of, I am really curious to try something with bottom airflow again. All of these current drippers are great, but essentially the same, 2 or 3 posts and side air flow. I remember using an a6(?) early on an liked the bottom air flow, had a totally different quality to the vape, but not liking the juice using the same path, made for a weird draw and gurgling. I like this if it works because it will have separate paths for juice and air.

 

[SLIPPY_EEL]

I haven't modded my magma but yeah its a great tasting rba, super easy to take apart aswell, I had some 0.5mm drill bits on the way to drill mine, but I wont be modding it now as im taking up dripping again instead of squonking, some of my flavours like the tobaccos I like are muted when squonked, could be just the rba's i'm squonking with or something with the plastic, I dunno, but I've been dripping the last 3 days and everything tastes crisp, even with lots of wick....

 

[Quigsworth]

...I wont be modding it now as im taking up dripping again instead of squonking, some of my flavours like the tobaccos I like are muted when squonked, could be just the rba's i'm squonking with or something with the plastic, I dunno, but I've been dripping the last 3 days and everything tastes crisp, even with lots of wick....

What a fascinating postulation...I tried google earthing "Vape Heaven" to see if it was south of the equator but it didn't come up...google earth is crap...my point is, if you are dripping and you are south of the equator, you are essentially squonking, relative to those in the northern hemisphere...

I don't mean to pick pepper out of knat crap but if I'm going to experiment with how gravity or pressurization effects the flavor of my juice at a quantum level I need the facts

 

[Kentastic]

I haven't modded my magma but yeah its a great tasting rba, super easy to take apart aswell, I had some 0.5mm drill bits on the way to drill mine, but I wont be modding it now as im taking up dripping again instead of squonking, some of my flavours like the tobaccos I like are muted when squonked, could be just the rba's i'm squonking with or something with the plastic, I dunno, but I've been dripping the last 3 days and everything tastes crisp, even with lots of wick....

Maybe I'm a little confused.... isn't squonking the same as dripping? If it's other factors like different atomizers then that is the atomizers and your build's fault if the flavor is muted. It makes no sense that dripping the same juice, onto the top of the same atomizer with the same build would taste different than adding the juice from the bottom aka "squonking".

The plastic? Do you carry around a glass bottle with a glass dripper? Wild.. I'd make a huge mess doing that. Even when I was only dripping I had a plastic bottle of juice with me.

I can totally understand liking the vape from a Magma dripper, I've used one and I agree. Awesome atty and if you build it right you can get a very flavorful vape, but I don't see how sticking that same atty with a hole in the bottom to push in juice from below rather than dripping from above is going to change the taste. Everyone is allowed their own opinions, but I just don't see how it would be different.

The only thing I can think of is the whole "burnt juice back in the bottle" thing. If your juice gets scorched and then the next time you squonk it gets mixed in with the upflow of new juice, then all the juice going back into the bottle will probably taste a little burnt which in turn can eventually tant the whole bottle and make that whole bottle taste bad.

Well good luck with your dripping. I love the Reo because it freed me from all that.

Ken

EDIT. I don't want this to seem like I'm saying you are wrong. For you dripping tastes better. I just don't understand how it could. To me it's kind of like saying my juice tastes better on Sony batteries, Whenever I use Panasonics the juice tastes sour. They are totally different batteries....

 

[elscorcho]

Does anyone use a Trident on their Reo nowadays? I picked one a V2 clone on Ebay for less than $8 last night... Figured I'd just drill it up through the insulator like I did my Atomic. Couldn't pass it up for the price...

Did you mod yours yet? My cheap Trident V2 clone looks like this:

The insulator on the bottom side (not pictured, sorry) is literally paper-thin.... not much drillable material there. I don't think the cutoff wheel/dremel method would work either as the slots on both post pieces would have to line up with slots in the "inner bushing".

Please post how you wind up modding this one.


Anyone know? Are the authentics a two-piece, adjustable post as well? Or a solid single pin...They sure would be easier to mod if so.

 

[muzichead]

Haven't received it yet. It just shipped out today. Its supposed to be here on Thursday. I was thinking of drilling up through the insulator with say a high #60 something bit. I may have to rethink it though. Drilling or notching the center pin is a no go because its copper. Will have to wait till it gets here and take a closer look at it. How hard was it to take out the center pin on yours?

 

[elscorcho]

There's an intergrated inner bushing portion of the insulator that juts out and acts as a spacer between the two pieces of the adjustable post. (you can see it in the pic)......Because of this the 510 end comes out from the bottom and the coil end comes out from the top.

The copper 510 piece just screws out. I then put it back it w/o threading it and used it to push up the other half with a small c clamp....pretty easy.

 

[Quigsworth]

I may have to rethink it though. Drilling or notching the center pin is a no go because its copper...

Muzic, you've mentioned the copper thing before and I'm just wondering where this came from?. .. is it the fact that the copper they used, because it's machined, is leaded?...it most likely is... machining non leaded copper is pretty difficult, lead acts as a lubricant otherwise copper tends to rip not cut...or is it because copper supports the growth of verdigris? (If there's something else in copper we need to be concerned with we're in big trouble. .. ask a plumber)

so then the question I have to ask is what did the factory in China do to the copper part after they machined it to make it safe before they assembled it into the RDA and shipped it out?... most likely nothing...

So is my logic flawed by concluding that how is us modifying it make it any more hazardous than it already is?

I'm not trying to be an .........I really am curious.



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[SLIPPY_EEL]

What a fascinating postulation...I tried google earthing "Vape Heaven" to see if it was south of the equator but it didn't come up...google earth is crap...my point is, if you are dripping and you are south of the equator, you are essentially squonking, relative to those in the northern hemisphere...

I don't mean to pick pepper out of knat crap but if I'm going to experiment with how gravity or pressurization effects the flavor of my juice at a quantum level I need the facts

No postulation! I was just thinking aloud! sorry HAHAHA

But you would get my vote to be sent up to the spacestation to do some squonk and dripping test's, that would be fun hey!?

my elevation >> 100.24 m
longitude>>50° 28' 10.38'' N,3° 31' 1.20'' W
latitude>>50.4695500,-3.5170000

does this help you Quigs??

 

[SLIPPY_EEL]

Maybe I'm a little confused.... isn't squonking the same as dripping? If it's other factors like different atomizers then that is the atomizers and your build's fault if the flavor is muted. It makes no sense that dripping the same juice, onto the top of the same atomizer with the same build would taste different than adding the juice from the bottom aka "squonking".

The plastic? Do you carry around a glass bottle with a glass dripper? Wild.. I'd make a huge mess doing that. Even when I was only dripping I had a plastic bottle of juice with me.

I can totally understand liking the vape from a Magma dripper, I've used one and I agree. Awesome atty and if you build it right you can get a very flavorful vape, but I don't see how sticking that same atty with a hole in the bottom to push in juice from below rather than dripping from above is going to change the taste. Everyone is allowed their own opinions, but I just don't see how it would be different.

The only thing I can think of is the whole "burnt juice back in the bottle" thing. If your juice gets scorched and then the next time you squonk it gets mixed in with the upflow of new juice, then all the juice going back into the bottle will probably taste a little burnt which in turn can eventually tant the whole bottle and make that whole bottle taste bad.

Well good luck with your dripping. I love the Reo because it freed me from all that.

Ken

EDIT. I don't want this to seem like I'm saying you are wrong. For you dripping tastes better. I just don't understand how it could. To me it's kind of like saying my juice tastes better on Sony batteries, Whenever I use Panasonics the juice tastes sour. They are totally different batteries....

here I am, rustling feathers again HAHAHA haaaaaaaaa!


I'm the same as you Ken, I also think flavour's dripped or squonked should taste the same.

The reason I mentioned plastic was because we all know or most should know that some flavours for eg: pineapple, banana, cinnamon etcetcetc eat into plastic, I haven't gone and got my degree in the DIY juice section on the in's and out's of long term use of the same squonk bottle being used over and over with various flavours, so I don't know if that would affect anything, my bottles don't look like they have any melting. All my flavour's except 1 or 2 taste top notch, squonked so this makes me think it isn't this anyway. it was just me thinking a loud which I need to stop doing, as I keep getting myself setting into postulation's

the glass drip bottles to me is OTT...

i'll ignore the battery part...


onto my rba's and wicks... my main juice, my favourite juice use to taste good a long long time ago in ce4 type tanks & when I got my first rba(trident), a couple of months later I got a reo+rm2 and this juice tasted very weak or not the same, I then tried the other juices I had, all the fruits tasted great, the ry4, camel, maxx blend, all great but these last few tobacc's I've only used in the rm2 so I cant compare with the previous setup.

I have to ignore the contaminating the juice part aswell, I make coil's with minimum wick and squonk before I hit.

four days ago I received 3 dif rba's, magma, atomic & tobh which I was gonna mod for when I get the dibi, even have some .5mm bit's here, well anyway.. the only pv I have is my reo so I put a 510-510 on top the reo and loaded all 3 of the rba's with identical dual coils, same wick as I've been using in the reo, all rba's at .2Ω, tried each one with my favourite juice that taste blah in the rm2 and BANG! I have my flavour back again

I will still use my reo for out and about but tbh im mostly in around the house so dripping doesn't bother me. ive also cancelled my dibi as I cant see the point now ... so yeah happy days are back again..




if there's anything I've missed I will add it later, I have the baby here wrecking the house atm

 

[muzichead]

Muzic, you've mentioned the copper thing before and I'm just wondering where this came from?. .. is it the fact that the copper they used, because it's machined, is leaded?...it most likely is... machining non leaded copper is pretty difficult, lead acts as a lubricant otherwise copper tends to rip not cut...or is it because copper supports the growth of verdigris? (If there's something else in copper we need to be concerned with we're in big trouble. .. ask a plumber)

so then the question I have to ask is what did the factory in China do to the copper part after they machined it to make it safe before they assembled it into the RDA and shipped it out?... most likely nothing...

So is my logic flawed by concluding that how is us modifying it make it any more hazardous than it already is?

I'm not trying to be an .........I really am curious.



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Quigs, I have been trying to find the post that had the exact info in it, but have been unsuccessful to this point. I thought it was in the rebuildable section of the forum, but no luck so far. As I remember it had something to do with the copper after being drilled and the liquids we vape that have some sort of reaction to each other, (might have been verdigris), and would be harmful to us. Maybe it was all BS, don't know, but not real sure I want to take a chance at it.

 

[Jeffk123]

Don't see any reason why it couldn't... I don't actually own one, but in pics it don't look a whole lot different from the Atomic I drilled. I used a #60, (I think), on mine and probably should've used like a #64 or 65. I only drilled 2 holes in mine and could've drilled 4 or 5 if I wanted to. If you had to use something smaller you could always drill multiple holes. Just take it slowly and you should be ok.

Yikes, used a number 65 and it was too big ended up...somehow warping my 510 connection just enough to where I am going to have to chase the threads with a die. oh well at least it was a clone and not authentic. but now my chi you dosn't have its companion for the time being. I think the dremel slotting method would be more suited for the quasar the center post was super easy to push out and slot which I did only to find out the 510 was jacked.

 

[Quigsworth]

Just a thought...the other day I was in my favorite toy store and saw a packet of really thin (and I mean really...) for a scroll saw...they may be the ticket to notch insulators cleanly. Thoughts?

 

[SLIPPY_EEL]

Just a thought...the other day I was in my favorite toy store and saw a packet of really thin (and I mean really...) for a scroll saw...they may be the ticket to notch insulators cleanly. Thoughts?

i was thinking about this earlier to, i was wondering if it would be possible to carve notch's with a sharp blade or maybe take the +post out and run the side of a 1mm drill bit against the inside of the insulator, although the db might break

 

[Kentastic]

here I am, rustling feathers again HAHAHA haaaaaaaaa!

I'm the same as you Ken, I also think flavour's dripped or squonked should taste the same.

The reason I mentioned plastic was because we all know or most should know that some flavours for eg: pineapple, banana, cinnamon etcetcetc eat into plastic, I haven't gone and got my degree in the DIY juice section on the in's and out's of long term use of the same squonk bottle being used over and over with various flavours, so I don't know if that would affect anything, my bottles don't look like they have any melting. All my flavour's except 1 or 2 taste top notch, squonked so this makes me think it isn't this anyway. it was just me thinking a loud which I need to stop doing, as I keep getting myself setting into postulation's

the glass drip bottles to me is OTT...

i'll ignore the battery part...

That was just me being snarky.

onto my rba's and wicks... my main juice, my favourite juice use to taste good a long long time ago in ce4 type tanks & when I got my first rba(trident), a couple of months later I got a reo+rm2 and this juice tasted very weak or not the same, I then tried the other juices I had, all the fruits tasted great, the ry4, camel, maxx blend, all great but these last few tobacc's I've only used in the rm2 so I cant compare with the previous setup.

I have to ignore the contaminating the juice part aswell, I make coil's with minimum wick and squonk before I hit.

four days ago I received 3 dif rba's, magma, atomic & tobh which I was gonna mod for when I get the dibi, even have some .5mm bit's here, well anyway.. the only pv I have is my reo so I put a 510-510 on top the reo and loaded all 3 of the rba's with identical dual coils, same wick as I've been using in the reo, all rba's at .2Ω, tried each one with my favourite juice that taste blah in the rm2 and BANG! I have my flavour back again

I will still use my reo for out and about but tbh im mostly in around the house so dripping doesn't bother me. ive also cancelled my dibi as I cant see the point now ... so yeah happy days are back again..

if there's anything I've missed I will add it later, I have the baby here wrecking the house atm

Ok I think I get it now. You are saying the Magma, Atomic and Tobh atomizers taste hella better (can't help it, I'm from NorCal) than the RM2 and I pretty much agree. I love the RM2 for ease of use and the virtual leak-proof design, but the Magma and Atomic both vape better. (the Tobh to me is about the same.. shrug maybe I need a different build to bring out more flavor with it) Which is why I'm going to be converting clones for bottom feeding and see how I like them on my LP Grands. If they are as good as on my regular tube mods I'll be getting and converting the real deals.

I love the Reos because they are an all in one package, and now with the upgraded contacts available for sub-ohming and the Low Profile versions that allow you to use any dripper you want that you can convert to bottom feeding it's about as perfect of a device as you can get. Now the OliveR has had all this from the beginning so same thing goes for the dibi.

I really think you are confusing your dislike for the RM2 atomizer for a dislike of the whole bottom feeding mod. There is no reason an Atomic converted to bottom feeder would not taste just as good on a Reo/Dibi when you squonk to wet the wick rather than dripping the ejuice from the top by removing the cap or dripping down through the drip tip hole.

I think this whole discussion will go away as soon as Rob starts releasing better bottom feeding atomizers, and/or some more mod makers start selling a bottom feeding center pin option with their atomizers. The Origen V2, has a bottom feed center post you can buy, and the makers of the Zenith atomizer has teased a photo of what looks like a bottom feeding center post for the Zenith, but it's not available yet. Both the Tobh and the Magma would be super easy to switch over to bottom feeding if the makers would just sell center pins with the correct holes or channels drilled in them. Both just unscrew. The Atomic would be a little harder, but I digress.

Well SLIPPY_EEL. I'm not going to keep trying to make my point. I think everyone should enjoy vaping however they want and if your way is dripping and not using a bottom feeder that's fine, I was basically just trying to understand and maybe clarify a few points.

Vape on my friend. However you want to do it.

Ken

 

[Walter Ego]

I modded an Infinite Stillare clone today, I am really liking the AFC on this atomizer.

 

[slappy3139]

I modded an Infinite Stillare clone today, I am really liking the AFC on this atomizer.

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I just got 2 of those in yesterday, probably convert 1 of them

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[Kentastic]

I modded an Infinite Stillare clone today, I am really liking the AFC on this atomizer.

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How did you convert it? Drilled it out all professional looking or just notched the pin and insulator?

 

[MamaTried]

hella better (can't help it, I'm from NorCal)
Ken

for the record, Ken, i've never even dreamed about saying that

 

[Walter Ego]

How did you convert it? Drilled it out all professional looking or just notched the pin and insulator?

I drilled down through the center pin, didn't even take the pin out. The center pin was brass so the 1/16" cobalt bit shot right through, then punched a couple holes in the side with a dremel and a diamond point bit. Squonks and drains great, it was real easy took about 15 minutes.