The Darwin From Evolv!!!

[Credo]

Well I am not sure how many people have seen this yet but I'd like to hear what you guys think http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...5094-need-comments-us-plane-ban-nov-14-a.html I know that it definately is not good because they are trying to classify vaping as a form of "smoking" and there are some pretty harsh punishments but I am not sure how I feel about the plane part. I haven't been on a plane in years beause I don't get out enough but I can understand how some people may feel uncomfortable around someone who is vaping because they don't fully understand what it is. I also think that we may have actually brought this upon ourselves and before I am lynched for saying that, I don't mean all of us. I am talking about the people who think that they can vape any damn place they want and flaunt it in front of other people. As far as "stealth vapers" go, more power to you but if it's really that much of a problem to wait until you reach your destination to vape then you might wanna get that checked out. I mean, there are other ways to get your nicotine if it's THAT bad Anyways, that is the end of my "rant" or whatever you wanna call it so go ahead and hate if you must At least I brought up the issue so that has to count for something

My big thing is if they ban it, at least do it SEPARATE FROM SMOKING.
Apples and Oranges.

Really, why not leave it up to the airlines? These don't need special ventilation systems like a 'smoking friendly' section would...airlines could have a vape friendly section for a little extra money per ticket if they wanted and actually sell their own disposables on the flights! They've been doing this with cocktails for ages......

Oh well...my main thing is this. If ya ban it..fine, but it is NOT SMOKING. Do it under a rule of it's own.

 

[Panky]

My big thing is if they ban it, at least do it SEPARATE FROM SMOKING.
Apples and Oranges.

Really, why not leave it up to the airlines? These don't need special ventilation systems like a 'smoking friendly' section would...airlines could have a vape friendly section for a little extra money per ticket if they wanted and actually sell their own disposables on the flights! They've been doing this with cocktails for ages......

Oh well...my main thing is this. If ya ban it..fine, but it is NOT SMOKING. Do it under a rule of it's own.

I could not have said it better They are quite different things.

 

[Killjoy1]

I'm totally with you. If I can't vape on a plane, I'm cool with that, but it shouldn't be lumped wholesale in with smoking. Just because I'm not smoking doesn't entitle me to vape anywhere I damn well please and if I find myself in a situation where I'm asked to stop I'm not going to be rude about it. Sadly, it seems etiquette like that is either in the minority or just isn't as vocal as the "I'll vape anywhere I want and there's nothing you can do about it" people . . .

 

[NebulaBrot]

I'm not too interested in the kick to be honest... I'd much rather have a "complete" mod then an add on. I don't look at this thing as the darwins successor

While this is a Darwin thread, not a Kick thread, I'd like to address this just this one time here. Because Kick will be coming from Evolv, it is bound to pop up here so hopefully this might address a few things (mostly checking speculative posts). ACCURATE info will certainly come out when prototype testers start posting. Testing is just that = testing. Such is done to flush out any potential issues which might be addressed BEFORE production begins. Sadly, I have seen so many prototype/beta threads become fluff fanboi and/or judgmental "reviews" threads (and often by those who have never seen or used the items being discussed).

I do know a little about what this product is meant to be & do and I can tell you that it is by no means intended to be "Darwin's successor". Maybe a low cost alternative, perhaps, but certainly NOT a successor.

The Kick will be a drop-in module for use with other 18650 size tube devices and supposedly will provide the primary functions of Darwin. As far as I know, it is supposed to provide Power Regulation in a tube. It is not intended to "succeed" Darwin but rather offer the primary features to those who may not be able to afford Darwin and/or those who may not like the form factor of Darwin (face it, some people are adamant tube fans). Without a screen, the information Darwin provides will not be as conveniently available, 18650 sized tube mod batts will not match the battery life Darwin offers and changing the setting will certainly be less convenient (but many, once they find they "happy place", tend to not make too many adjustments anyway). But for about 20% of the price of a Darwin, it could be dropped into an 18650 device and the user can enjoy dramatically increased performance from a single IMR batt by offering consistent watts/Power Regulation and boosted power levels with all the safety features in Darwins too.

I do not have full details and won't get into this further BECAUSE I do not have full details. But I imagine accurate information will be forthcoming soon. So far, ALL posts MUST be pure speculation because as far as I know - nobody has them yet (other than Evolv).

This is Drew's sub-forum and this is a Darwin thread. I will not further infringe by adding further speculation about a product which has not been released and/or thread-jacking by continuing this discussion in this thread. Hopefully, the REAL facts will become available soon and I suspect there will be many threads.

Happy Halloween!

 

[Panky]

And of course the new hex drip shield that will look badass on the darwin came out in limited supply right when I have no money

Edit: They put #3 back in stock so I resorted to begging and pleading and somehow found a few bucks

 

[vocr]

The kick looks, to me, like a DIY piece? Or are you saying that it will be a more finished product that what was shown ion the vid?

As a DIY piece, I don't see why someone can't come up with a Darwin 2.0. I have 0 interest in tube mods and I hate weird battery mods. However if the weird battery is hidden from me (ie there is a charge circuit and I never have to deal with the battery or bulky PIA battery chargers) I can live with that. My ideal solution is like my phones, a battery I can replace when it dies (or get a higher mah version with a new back cover) but one I never have to deal with otherwise.

Add that improvement, coupled with a reduction in size, a lockable slider instead of a dial for wattage changes and a replacement for the arm system (I don't know what) and I'll buy that for almost whatever price is requested. Actually, I'll buy 2.

As far as vaping in public, for me, I vape everywhere it won't inconvenience others and always blow my vapor up so it never gets in anyone's face or floats around. That is my rule of thumb. I vape on the plane, as I fly Cathay and they let me vape (for now anyway, knock on wood). However, I use stealth juice, vape only when I must and don't put up clouds. Except for the one time that another vaper moved his seat to sit next to me. We drank scotch and put up clouds in our two seats. I would add that there was no one in the 2 seats in the middle aisle and no one behind us.

I vape in restaurants if there is no one dining right near me and my dining companions don't mind. I refuse to ever give money to a Starbucks or those things, but I vape in the tea house I frequent, however when they are crowded or there are people sitting close to me, I move outside and vape with the smokers. I vape when I walk in malls and stores, as long as there are no children anywhere near me. That rule goes for everywhere, if I see children I do not vape. Then I vape in all my offices, as I own them all, so anyone complaining gets fired, lol. Seriously, I have an open door on it. If it bothers anyone they can drop an anonymous note in boxes I put up in the bathrooms. I only ask that they be descriptive in their note, as when I or any vaper are doing it in alone in a private office, obviously that should not bother anyone. I only got one complaint so far, in my Singapore office (which I have not even been to for more than a couple hour stop in since I started vaping and I don't think I actually vaped there), and that was asking why I didn't subsidize PVs for everyone.

Personally, I think all of us should vape along these lines. It strikes a balance between being visible, so people get used to it and accepting of it, and we don't become forced outdoors or into closets to vape and not being annoying to normal people (we will never make those who hate us comfortable). It also shows smokers abut vaping, which I think is a very good thing and most important.

 

[Panky]

Well said vocr

 

[Katdarling]

Panky, is that you?

 

[Panky]

Panky, is that you?

Yup For now at least.

 

[hifistud]

I do not have full details and won't get into this further BECAUSE I do not have full details. But I imagine accurate information will be forthcoming soon. So far, ALL posts MUST be pure speculation because as far as I know - nobody has them yet (other than Evolv).

I've got one, so anything you read or hear from me is definitely not speculation - but you're right, it's not a Darwin successor - more to the point, it's in Beta, and so it's not finished yet. I'll hold off on saying anything more for the present - I'll be covering it on Thursday on my show. Nuff said.

Now, where's that "smiling so much the top of my head's dropped off" smiley???

 

[retird]

Carrie Fisher just vaped an e-cig on the Today show this morning........

 

[debook]

Princess Lea in her gold bikini with a Darwin....yep, sounds about right.

 

[Liv2Ski]

Princess Lea in her gold bikini with a Darwin....yep, sounds about right.

Ohhhhhhhh Yeeeeeesssss we could head to the gutter really quick with this one!!! Would she have that funky side bun hairdo? Slap some mazola on that and pull out the tarp!!

 

[Panky]

Ohhhhhhhh Yeeeeeesssss we could head to the gutter really quick with this one!!! Would she have that funky side bun hairdo? Slap some mazola on that and pull out the tarp!!

Oh my

 

[Rob0506]

Well I am not sure how many people have seen this yet but I'd like to hear what you guys think http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...5094-need-comments-us-plane-ban-nov-14-a.html I know that it definately is not good because they are trying to classify vaping as a form of "smoking" and there are some pretty harsh punishments but I am not sure how I feel about the plane part. I haven't been on a plane in years beause I don't get out enough but I can understand how some people may feel uncomfortable around someone who is vaping because they don't fully understand what it is. I also think that we may have actually brought this upon ourselves and before I am lynched for saying that, I don't mean all of us. I am talking about the people who think that they can vape any damn place they want and flaunt it in front of other people. As far as "stealth vapers" go, more power to you but if it's really that much of a problem to wait until you reach your destination to vape then you might wanna get that checked out. I mean, there are other ways to get your nicotine if it's THAT bad Anyways, that is the end of my "rant" or whatever you wanna call it so go ahead and hate if you must At least I brought up the issue so that has to count for something

I have to agree with you Panky. I also think that this law doesn't really mean that much in the end. Let's face it, the airlines are going to restrict the use of ecigs no matter what. I'm not saying that we should just roll over on this one, I'm just saying that we will lose this fight and it will benefit us in the end if we do it with class and take the opportunity to educate the general public about vaping.

As far as lumping it with smoking rules goes, it makes sense to me. Vaping is close to smoking, that's why we do it! The differences are important to us but will seem like trivialities to an outsider.

 

[Credo]

I have to agree with you Panky. I also think that this law doesn't really mean that much in the end. Let's face it, the airlines are going to restrict the use of ecigs no matter what. I'm not saying that we should just roll over on this one, I'm just saying that we will lose this fight and it will benefit us in the end if we do it with class and take the opportunity to educate the general public about vaping.

As far as lumping it with smoking rules goes, it makes sense to me. Vaping is close to smoking, that's why we do it! The differences are important to us but will seem like trivialities to an outsider.

From a legal perspective it makes NO sense to lump vaping with smoking.
There is no smoke. The risks to self and others don't even compare.
It is not smoking. There is no smoke, no tar, no ash, no butts, no carbon monoxide, no open flames, etc.

We don't want it linked to smoking any more than it already is.
Why? Health insurance, future litigation, and so much more!

 

[CountryCarol]

I received my Darwin October 13th!!!



I absolutely love it!!

I am also very eager to hear more about this kick, is there going to need to be a sign up sheet?? If so I so would love to be on it!!

I have an 18650 mod that is being shipped as we speak purchased just for the kick.

 

[Killjoy1]

The differences are important to us but will seem like trivialities to an outsider.

This is probably the biggest hurdle. Those who don't vape in my experience can't, don't or won't make the distinction between vaping and smoking. I've still got a number of people that give me a lot of hostility about it at work. I think the ones who don't just gave up arguing rather than accepting a differing viewpoint.

What really ticks me off is the smokers who complain they don't want to inhale what I'm "smoking" second-hand while blowing smoke in my face I'd just vape away from the smokers, but the smoking policy has been amended again and now the designated smoking area (the only place I'm allowed to vape on the premises) is a soon to be walled-in 4'x6' area . . .
I'll tell ya, the Darwin gets a lot more attention now that we're all clustered into a small area. Too bad none of it's positive

 

[CountryCarol]

I've got one, so anything you read or hear from me is definitely not speculation - but you're right, it's not a Darwin successor - more to the point, it's in Beta, and so it's not finished yet. I'll hold off on saying anything more for the present - I'll be covering it on Thursday on my show. Nuff said.

Now, where's that "smiling so much the top of my head's dropped off" smiley???

What is your show?? Also 1 quick question, is the kick something that someone could add in their device that does not know how to mod??

 

[Credo]

This is probably the biggest hurdle. Those who don't vape in my experience can't, don't or won't make the distinction between vaping and smoking. I've still got a number of people that give me a lot of hostility about it at work. I think the ones who don't just gave up arguing rather than accepting a differing viewpoint.

What really ticks me off is the smokers who complain they don't want to inhale what I'm "smoking" second-hand while blowing smoke in my face I'd just vape away from the smokers, but the smoking policy has been amended again and now the designated smoking area (the only place I'm allowed to vape on the premises) is a soon to be walled-in 4'x6' area . . .
I'll tell ya, the Darwin gets a lot more attention now that we're all clustered into a small area. Too bad none of it's positive

I hear ya. I get far more grief from die hard smokers than I do 'non smokers'. Non smokers who LOVE a smoker somewhere seem more interested in knowing where I got it (as if they have someone in mind to convert with a nice Xmas gift or something). Non smokers that had been around me and my property for so many years as a 'smoker' LOVE that I don't smell like an ash tray anymore. People that once wouldn't set foot in my car or house will now visit me.

At the end of the day...it's a legal point.
When I go to fill out forms for health insurance, I want to be able to put that I am a 'NON SMOKER'.
I know that I feel like I've gone down a great deal in 'risk factor' to deserve at least some breaks in that arena. I can run farther and faster than I have in years! Blood pressure is great and steady for a change! Not nearly as many allergies and colds and other yukky coughs and sniffles. Skin and hair looks human again.

That's enough for me to take the occasional joke about my 'crack pipe'.
Then again, with some practice at a mirror...you can really tone it down with a Darwin.
Flip...puff...pocket. Most people don't even notice it unless you make a show of using it.
One person asked me if it was an asthma inhaler