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NebulaBrot

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Just thought I might chime in on the earlier discussion about LR attys (especially the LR 801) and Darwin.

Many, not everyone, know that the intention behind the LR attys is to "simulate" HV vaping on 3.7 volt devices. Without getting into a discussion about ohms law, "simulate" roughly stated means: imitate the appearance or character of. They are intended to imitate the HV experience. As to how well they "imitate" is a different discussion and very subject to personal opinion. But, they are intended to be used at 3.7 volts. Using the gross Watts estimation of Volts squared and divide by Ohms (or VxV/R=Watts): 3.7v X 3.7v/1.5=9.12 watts. 3.7v X 3.7v/1.7ohms=8.05 watts

So trying to get low watts from an LR atty requires volts lower than they are intended to be used and lower than most devices (including Darwin) are designed to operate. For example, if you want 6 watts from an LR atty of 1.7 ohms you would need 3.2 volts: 3.2V X 3.2v/1.7=6.02 watts. Similarly, if using a 1.5 ohms LR atty and you want 6 watts you need only 3 volts: 3v X 3v/1.5=6 watts

Again, the purpose of LR attys is to "simulate"=imitate HV vaping. Imitation, while a great form of flattery, is still imitating. With Darwin, you have full range so no need to imitate when you have the real thing. Using standard ohms attys (any model be that 510 @ 2.5 ohms or 901s and/or 801s @ 3+ohms) gives you a much broader range of vaping experiences and obtainable watts.

Lastly, the LR 801s - well, I am a big fan of 801 style attys - and quickly becoming a fan of the newer 801 cartos as well. Any who have seen my posts may know my preferred atty is the Joye 302 (with "right" airflow - accomplished {IMHO} with stealth 510/801 adapter). 302 is an 801 style and standard is 3.1 ohms. I have tried both LR SLB 801s and LR Joye 302s and will probably never purchase any more of them. I just do not like them - probably my worst LR vaping experiences. Personally (always subjective), I am not a fan of LR attys and cartos in any model. I find the coil heats too fast and while they may "simulate"/imitate HV vaping experience - to my tastes, they do not duplicate the HV experiences.

While the watts may be watts, I find the flavor more full and the vapor richer in HV. Of course we are likely to all have our individual preferences. Some juices and some model attys may have different "happy spots" and we "Darwinians" know how easy it is to play and hone in on each. As a fairly dedicated tobaccos and tobacco menthols vapor, I pretty much find my "happy place" at 8.5 watts on my 3.1 ohms Joye 302 attys. Using the new 801 cartos, and depending on the juice, I sometimes find my way up to as high as 10.2 watts.

Of course, all of this is subjective to your personal tastes and preferences so any claims of what is "best" are a matter of that person's personal preferences and yours may well differ. Hope this is somehow helpful.

Happy :vapor:
 

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Thanks NB, for the very well explained info:thumb:! I've been using LR801 atties for my 3.7v devices for a long time, because for me, I receive a better TH and warmer vapor versus a std resistance atty. However, I definitely can see where it wouldn't "jive", per se, w/the Darwin. Thank the vaping gods that I purchased a whole bunch of std and hv atties and cartos (801 Fusions as well as I will always be a fan of 801s:p). So far this evening, I've tried HV510 and am finding my sweet spot for the particular juice I'm vaping @7.4w. This is actually fun! Think I need to bring out my lower nic juices so I don't get a nic overload!:laugh:

Just thought I might chime in on the earlier discussion about LR attys (especially the LR 801) and Darwin.

Many, not everyone, know that the intention behind the LR attys is to "simulate" HV vaping on 3.7 volt devices. Without getting into a discussion about ohms law, "simulate" roughly stated means: imitate the appearance or character of. They are intended to imitate the HV experience. As to how well they "imitate" is a different discussion and very subject to personal opinion. But, they are intended to be used at 3.7 volts. Using the gross Watts estimation of Volts squared and divide by Ohms (or VxV/R=Watts): 3.7v X 3.7v/1.5=9.12 watts. 3.7v X 3.7v/1.7ohms=8.05 watts

So trying to get low watts from an LR atty requires volts lower than they are intended to be used and lower than most devices (including Darwin) are designed to operate. For example, if you want 6 watts from an LR atty of 1.7 ohms you would need 3.2 volts: 3.2V X 3.2v/1.7=6.02 watts. Similarly, if using a 1.5 ohms LR atty and you want 6 watts you need only 3 volts: 3v X 3v/1.5=6 watts

Again, the purpose of LR attys is to "simulate"=imitate HV vaping. Imitation, while a great form of flattery, is still imitating. With Darwin, you have full range so no need to imitate when you have the real thing. Using standard ohms attys (any model be that 510 @ 2.5 ohms or 901s and/or 801s @ 3+ohms) gives you a much broader range of vaping experiences and obtainable watts.

Lastly, the LR 801s - well, I am a big fan of 801 style attys - and quickly becoming a fan of the newer 801 cartos as well. Any who have seen my posts may know my preferred atty is the Joye 302 (with "right" airflow - accomplished {IMHO} with stealth 510/801 adapter). 302 is an 801 style and standard is 3.1 ohms. I have tried both LR SLB 801s and LR Joye 302s and will probably never purchase any more of them. I just do not like them - probably my worst LR vaping experiences. Personally (always subjective), I am not a fan of LR attys and cartos in any model. I find the coil heats too fast and while they may "simulate"/imitate HV vaping experience - to my tastes, they do not duplicate the HV experiences.

While the watts may be watts, I find the flavor more full and the vapor richer in HV. Of course we are likely to all have our individual preferences. Some juices and some model attys may have different "happy spots" and we "Darwinians" know how easy it is to play and hone in on each. As a fairly dedicated tobaccos and tobacco menthols vapor, I pretty much find my "happy place" at 8.5 watts on my 3.1 ohms Joye 302 attys. Using the new 801 cartos, and depending on the juice, I sometimes find my way up to as high as 10.2 watts.

Of course, all of this is subjective to your personal tastes and preferences so any claims of what is "best" are a matter of that person's personal preferences and yours may well differ. Hope this is somehow helpful.

Happy :vapor:
 

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So trying to get low watts from an LR atty requires volts lower than they are intended to be used and lower than most devices (including Darwin) are designed to operate. For example, if you want 6 watts from an LR atty of 1.7 ohms you would need 3.2 volts: 3.2V X 3.2v/1.7=6.02 watts. Similarly, if using a 1.5 ohms LR atty and you want 6 watts you need only 3 volts: 3v X 3v/1.5=6 watts

... I pretty much find my "happy place" at 8.5 watts on my 3.1 ohms Joye 302 attys. Using the new 801 cartos, and depending on the juice, I sometimes find my way up to as high as 10.2 watts.

Of course, all of this is subjective to your personal tastes and preferences so any claims of what is "best" are a matter of that person's personal preferences and yours may well differ. Hope this is somehow helpful.

Happy :vapor:

Good information, Nebula. I'm not anti-LR but I do feel they're best with lower watt settings and on mechanical and non-variable devices. My current atty is reading a surprisingly low 1.4 ohms. I don't buy 1.5 ohm attys anymore so that means this atty 'declined' and the Darwin is being accommodating at 5.8 pixies. The vape is good, there's no off-taste because its broken in.

It's like being the parent of twins, You can always tell the difference :)

LOL I'm beginning to think you have or will have actual twins, Cuse.
 

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Good information, Nebula. I'm not anti-LR but I do feel they're best with lower watt settings and on mechanical and non-variable devices. My current atty is reading a surprisingly low 1.4 ohms. I don't buy 1.5 ohm attys anymore so that means this atty 'declined' and the Darwin is being accommodating at 5.8 pixies. The vape is good, there's no off-taste because its broken in.



LOL I'm beginning to think you have or will have actual twins, Cuse.

No, I have 0 twins SK! And unless they are Darwinian in nature, I totally lack the patience to go down that road again!
Ah yes, that precise measurement unit known as the "pixie" in SewknittyLand! I always seem to forget the formula for Pixie's Law!


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Just thought I might chime in on the earlier discussion about LR attys (especially the LR 801) and Darwin.

Many, not everyone, know that the intention behind the LR attys is to "simulate" HV vaping on 3.7 volt devices. Without getting into a discussion about ohms law, "simulate" roughly stated means: imitate the appearance or character of. They are intended to imitate the HV experience. As to how well they "imitate" is a different discussion and very subject to personal opinion. But, they are intended to be used at 3.7 volts. Using the gross Watts estimation of Volts squared and divide by Ohms (or VxV/R=Watts): 3.7v X 3.7v/1.5=9.12 watts. 3.7v X 3.7v/1.7ohms=8.05 watts

So trying to get low watts from an LR atty requires volts lower than they are intended to be used and lower than most devices (including Darwin) are designed to operate. For example, if you want 6 watts from an LR atty of 1.7 ohms you would need 3.2 volts: 3.2V X 3.2v/1.7=6.02 watts. Similarly, if using a 1.5 ohms LR atty and you want 6 watts you need only 3 volts: 3v X 3v/1.5=6 watts

Again, the purpose of LR attys is to "simulate"=imitate HV vaping. Imitation, while a great form of flattery, is still imitating. With Darwin, you have full range so no need to imitate when you have the real thing. Using standard ohms attys (any model be that 510 @ 2.5 ohms or 901s and/or 801s @ 3+ohms) gives you a much broader range of vaping experiences and obtainable watts.

Lastly, the LR 801s - well, I am a big fan of 801 style attys - and quickly becoming a fan of the newer 801 cartos as well. Any who have seen my posts may know my preferred atty is the Joye 302 (with "right" airflow - accomplished {IMHO} with stealth 510/801 adapter). 302 is an 801 style and standard is 3.1 ohms. I have tried both LR SLB 801s and LR Joye 302s and will probably never purchase any more of them. I just do not like them - probably my worst LR vaping experiences. Personally (always subjective), I am not a fan of LR attys and cartos in any model. I find the coil heats too fast and while they may "simulate"/imitate HV vaping experience - to my tastes, they do not duplicate the HV experiences.

While the watts may be watts, I find the flavor more full and the vapor richer in HV. Of course we are likely to all have our individual preferences. Some juices and some model attys may have different "happy spots" and we "Darwinians" know how easy it is to play and hone in on each. As a fairly dedicated tobaccos and tobacco menthols vapor, I pretty much find my "happy place" at 8.5 watts on my 3.1 ohms Joye 302 attys. Using the new 801 cartos, and depending on the juice, I sometimes find my way up to as high as 10.2 watts.

Of course, all of this is subjective to your personal tastes and preferences so any claims of what is "best" are a matter of that person's personal preferences and yours may well differ. Hope this is somehow helpful.

Happy :vapor:



I have vaped every kind of atty available on my Darwin now, except the Cisco LR stuff. My thoughts would be that LR is a complete waste of time. HV atty's are OK. But, a bit cool for my taste. SR's are just right for me. My favorite is still the BE112 SR. It is simply the best taste I can get with almost all of my juices and 3 out of 5 of them last me well into the second month, with just an occasional Vodka bath to keep the buildup down. Just a gooseneck to a 501-801, a BE112 SR and my favorite drip tip (Cherry Vape Tips are incoming this next week... Hoping for a new favorite tip).

I'm trying new flavors from juicyvapor this week. So far, I like them. I started with their fruit stripe and I'm vaping a nice aftersupper chocolate covered strawberries now. Both are very tasty vapes. Great flavors for when you want something a little different. I just my TW Absinthe back in hand too. Man that stuff hits the spot when you need that certain something that only Decadent Vapours can make. It's the one vape I can ALWAYS count on to break up the monotony of a run of one of my all day vapes. Like a reset button for my tastebuds.
 

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Here's a link to a thread with some Darwin Por~.. errrr I mean Pics. Also a little way for modding Drip Tips to be ideal for Cartos!

Twisted Drip Tips Mod to work with Cartos bonus Darwin Pics

Great pics! Wish I could get mine to come out so well!

Also, I've said this in a couple pm's but not really in the live thread...

I would like to thank (in order of contact) Paul, Kat, and Brandon of Evolv!! They took care of my crisis nearly instant. I had a new Darwin in my hands within a couple hrs!! (I live very close). If I've already said this, Sry, but I am just too lazy right now to look back :)



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I would like to thank (in order of contact) Paul, Kat, and Brandon of Evolv!! They took care of my crisis nearly instant.

That's good to hear, since mine just started this...

darwindisplay.JPG


Heading to website now to look for a contact e-mail.
 

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Ok, when I met up with Brandon yesterday, he was using an IKV fusion (have that right, Brandon?). Now I had completely forgot I had bought a couple but hadn't used them as I was waiting for an adapter and since I've gotten many new toys recently, they sort of got buried. Well, just ran across them in my goody box and thought, well if he raves about them...

I gotta say, as cartos go, I'm pretty impressed! Really liking the vapor I'm getting and the consistency of the Darwin makes them shine! Cartos were always a weak area for me with past pv's. One second ok, the next barely anything (as is anything run from reg. Batteries). And the more I hit it...the flavor is actually rly gd...gotta love Darwin! Wait for it...

...it brings good things to life! Ok, my corny saying of the night, lol.

I'm gonna have to find someone that can put a bsirk on my Darwin!

Edit: Brandon, hmm, they seem to be out of stock, wonder how that happened??? LOL!

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