The ECA Disclosed

[LaceyUnderall]

Well I see RtV as the voice of the people and ECA the voice of traders and personally welcome any moves to co-operate.

Starting talks at RtV about what you want would be a good first move Lacey. (It's a bit less frantic over there too )

Done.

Assistance from RTV

 

[igetcha]

oh well, another thread where a LOT of people post their concerns but its only my name that gets a mention and an insult of my intelligence. no change there then!

lacey, you are not the sole person of the ECA. so when the senior members of RTV openly stated on this thread that the ECA had ignored them i took that for granted. if you now say that ECA has been working with them from the beginning then i apologise for believing what the RTV had stated.

as fo me "not knowing what the .... im talking about" well i think you will find you were one of the people who was forcing the term "personal vapouriser" only now to tell us that its worse than calling them e-cigs!

please arrange the following words to create a sentance:-

black, the, kettle, calling, pot


i was NOT the only person to ask why PV is not being used.

i wa NOT the only person to ask the things i mentioned.


but then, i enjoy being the whipping boy.

 

[strell]

Do you honestly think they won't come after your caffeine next? What about your freedom of choice?

You're understandably upset at the various counter-points (of varying validity) after all the effort you seem to have put into this. It seems to me that as the most vocal representative of an organization that's trying to be taken seriously you might be better off handling your frustration in a more political/professional manner.

Yes, this is an Internet forum and the standards of communcation may be lower, but the members here could make or break your organization's success. The second you began representing the ECA using your forum name you stopped having the leisure of using the account to express personal opinion without putting your organization at risk. You're now seen as a representative, not a person, and you would benefit from having a party line and prepared staments. Otherwise, you get people picking at random phrases you throw into your "speeches" like the bit about caffeine above running contrary to your later mention of "big tobacco".

 

[LaceyUnderall]

as fo me "not knowing what the .... im talking about" well i think you will find you were one of the people who was forcing the term "personal vapouriser" only now to tell us that its worse than calling them e-cigs!

I beg for you to find one post where I say we should call them personal vaporizers. Seriously.

Ask a multitude of people around here and they will tell you that since day one, I have not called them personal vaporizers. Do I call them pv's out of respect for my friends who do? Sure! Why don't you stop into my blog and see where I specifically go against the use of that phrase.

I have ALWAYS said that I am a smoker who identifies with my ecig. That I am smoking, not vaping. Have I picked up the slang, sure! Who hasn't.

But here you go... let's focus on something else. Let's pick apart her spelling or what she hasn't said in the past but we wish to be true or accuse her of having ties with tobacco or wtf ever else people can come up with... instead of focusing on what really matters. Or does it not matter to you because in the UK you can purchase them at the local pharmacy?

If you don't like being a whipping boy, then stop acting like one.

 

[igetcha]

You're understandably upset at the various counter-points (of varying validity) after all the effort you seem to have put into this. It seems to me that as the most vocal representative of an organization that's trying to be taken seriously you might be better off handling your frustration in a more political/professional manner.

Yes, this is an Internet forum and the standards of communcation may be lower, but the members here could make or break your organization's success. The second you began representing the ECA using your forum name you stopped having the leisure of using the account to express personal opinion without putting your organization at risk. You're now seen as a representative, not a person, and you would benefit from having a party line and prepared staments. Otherwise, you get people picking at random phrases you throw into your "speeches" like the bit about caffeine above running contrary to your later mention of "big tobacco".

here, here.....sounds to me that the ECA would benefit greatly from having this person on board!

 

[igetcha]

I beg for you to find one post where I say we should call them personal vaporizers. Seriously.

Ask a multitude of people around here and they will tell you that since day one, I have not called them personal vaporizers. Do I call them pv's out of respect for my friends who do? Sure! Why don't you stop into my blog and see where I specifically go against the use of that phrase.

I have ALWAYS said that I am a smoker who identifies with my ecig. That I am smoking, not vaping. Have I picked up the slang, sure! Who hasn't.

But here you go... let's focus on something else. Let's pick apart her spelling or what she hasn't said in the past but we wish to be true or accuse her of having ties with tobacco or wtf ever else people can come up with... instead of focusing on what really matters. Or does it not matter to you because in the UK you can purchase them at the local pharmacy?

If you don't like being a whipping boy, then stop acting like one.

i said i do like being a whipping boy.


plenty of people said it lacey, you chose to attack me. but if it makes you feel better, you go for it x x x

 

[LaceyUnderall]

Yes, this is an Internet forum and the standards of communcation may be lower, but the members here could make or break your organization's success.

I have been a forum member here since early December. I have always posted responsibly and always attempted to see both sides of the argument. I have always contributed to this forum in the most educational way possible.

I have listened to what others had to say, gone and done research, come back with ideas on how we could protect our ecigs, what the laws are and how they are being interpreted. I guess maybe in the conversations I was participating in, I was dealing with a different group of users who gave me the impression that the ecig WAS worth fighting for.

I am simply a blogger who loves her ecig and had an idea that flourished with the help of others who saw the same horizon. As I could hand off the title of leader to the right person, I did. My intentions were to get people together and do something. This happened. And now, I have no problem letting the big dogs run while I help support them.

It is just hard to sit back and watch all of this energy that could be focused on doing something, be wasted in threads that will eventually be closed.

Believe what you want about what the truth is... but the truth IS is that caffeine is next and big tobacco IS at the root of this bill.

 

[esmok-e]

That was awesome lacey, I had to read it 2x, the 1st time was a dry run...the second time I had the national anthem playing....

awesome....

Bravo! A Tour-De-Force (didn't want to quote the whole thing - thanks to eplanet).

 

[strell]

I am simply a blogger who loves her ecig and had an idea that flourished with the help of others who saw the same horizon.

No, you're not. Not anymore, not here anyway. That was the whole point of my post.

 

[pwholmes]

Lacey Underall

I have been a forum member here since early November. I have always posted responsibly and always attempted to see both sides of the argument. I have always contributed to this forum in the most educational way possible . . .

. . .l It is just hard to sit back and watch all of this energy that could be focused on doing something, be wasted in threads that will eventually be closed.

Believe what you want about what the truth is... but the truth IS is that caffeine is next and big tobacco IS at the root of this bill.

I don't know about caffeine -- but it is increasingly the trend in government to control the populace's habits, and rarely from an idealistic point of view, even though it starts out that way. Basically we're getting bigger and bigger government and more government control over our lives. You little people are too stupid to make our yown decisions. We politicians can sort it out and you little people just vote for us and shut up.

Anyways, sorry for the little "non-partisan" rant?

What I really want to say is, Lacey, I support you and your organization the whole way. I'm amazed by all the chest-thumping self-important people your call to action brought out. I've been around here a couple months and I've never seen a post of yours that wasn't about contributing to the cause of e-smoking or just the nice camaraderie that has been in the forum.

And this need to have minutes and know everything about the
ECF! What the heck! Lacey and other suppliers have a self-interest in keeping the supply going. They are also e-smokers and want to continue e-smoking. So do you and I. Why do you have to know everything about the ECF? Why is this called a power grab? These are people who make money off selling the product and are banding together to contribute some of their profits to set up a lobbying group and hire lawyers in their own self-interest -- oh, and might I add that it just might be to our benefit too?

And so what if you can't join the ECF if you refuse to follow certain guidelines. Remember, the ECF are not the politicians who make the laws and try to control our lives. They are an association of suppliers who are trying to make e-smoking safe and legal. If you are a non-compliant supplier you may actually benefit from the ECF's hard-earned dollars in the lobbying effort they put out.

I just see a lot of narcisism and "hey-look-at-me" in this thread. You don't take into account the character Lacey has shown in her time on this forum. You don't seem to see the obvious, that suppliers banding together to fight unjust legislation is a good thing.

You just want to sound important!

P.S. I hope no-one takes this as a personal attack against them. This has gotten very heated and I have a great deal of respect for the regular forum members here. I was just astonished at the turn this thing took from the time Lacey first started the thread and finally decided to comment.

And, I myself am just a part-time e-smoker hoping to become full-time with no plans to ever sell or be part of the business except as a consumer.

Paul

 

[LaceyUnderall]

No, you're not. Not anymore, not here anyway. That was the whole point of my post.

Point taken. I understand where you are coming from... One line down you will also note: "As I could hand off the title of leader to the right person, I did."

The ECA President must be someone with in depth experience on the hill and knows what they are doing, has relationships with the actual Senators, and has a passion for the ecig like we do, but a passion that is controlled and as you stated, politically aware for that type of venue. I am not that person and I know this!

For one week I held the title until that person could be determined. I am happy to have handed that position over to someone who holds these qualities. And now, I can continue to support... which is what I look forward to doing.

 

[LuckyCharm]

Do we still have time to fax our senators before they vote? I will do up a letter and post it here for others to use, if so!

~~Cheryl

 

[LaceyUnderall]

Do we still have time to fax our senators before they vote? I will do up a letter and post it here for others to use, if so!

~~Cheryl

ABSOLUTELY! And if you are interested Cheryl, visit Assistance from RTV. It could be a lot of fun and very educational for those who happen upon our little picnics!

 

[igetcha]

lacey,

im offering an olive branch

i have a suggestion that "may" help to raise awareness.

how about i make a video? i was thinking that maybe people could send me 10 second footage answering one simple question.
that question being something like "why do you use an e-cig?" or "how has an e-cig changed your life?"
i say just one question and 10 seconds in length so that way its easy for people to send me the footage, its no hassle for people to send me footage and because it means i can cram as many people into the 10 minutes and 59 seconds that youtube allow.
more people saying good things in one single video would have the greatest impact i feel.
as well as that i can add whatever messages you want the public to know, though i feel that 1 line messages would work best. i can add website details, contact details etc.
once the vid is made i will add it to my youtube account where i have nearly 250 subscribers who will watch it. i can then ask them to send it on to their email lists etc. people on this forum could send it to their email lists etc etc.
basically, it would be like spamming........but in a good way.

my only concern would be that people would not supply the 10 second footage. for example, dusty has asked for weeks/months for people to contribute to his documentary and only a handfull of people have sent him footage.


i also appreciate that you have a limited amount of time and i think something like that will take a while to make.


but the offer is there

 

[LaceyUnderall]

igetcha - thank you. i apologize for singling just you out... emotion does run wild sometimes and as you noted in another post on reviewer rules... sometimes it is hard to accept that one cannot make everyone happy, especially when you have passion for the situation.

i think your idea is great! it would be very powerful and extremely viral. i will write a blog post about it, inviting people to submit. i will also email our customer list letting them know that this out and about and see what kind of response we can get from there. if there are any suppliers out there listening... this would be another effective way to get your happy customers involved.

where should i direct them to send the submissions? Maybe offer a rush to get this done... submissions needed in the next week? (so you aren't waiting for ever for things to get in)

i will also post a thread in the Instead forum up here on ECF and make a thread over on RTV.

Once it is done, I will also forward it on to Bill Godshall so he can use it where he deems appropriate. He has been quite active in getting the petition around and a video to go with it would be awesome. I can also send a link to tobaccoharmreduction.org AND make sure that Policy Impact Communications (the lobbyist firm for the association) Policy Impact has access to it as well.

Thank you! I sincerely appreciate you donating your time to this and I do hope my apology is accepted. This is what is needed. I am tearie eyed

 

[eplanet]

igetcha, that is an awesome idea, put some heartwarming music track behind it...that is a really great idea (I second that). if there is any way we can help, let us know.

lacey, get a tissue...

 

[igetcha]

igetcha - thank you. i apologize for singling just you out... emotion does run wild sometimes and as you noted in another post on reviewer rules... sometimes it is hard to accept that one cannot make everyone happy, especially when you have passion for the situation.

i think your idea is great! it would be very powerful and extremely viral. i will write a blog post about it, inviting people to submit. i will also email our customer list letting them know that this out and about and see what kind of response we can get from there. if there are any suppliers out there listening... this would be another effective way to get your happy customers involved.

where should i direct them to send the submissions? Maybe offer a rush to get this done... submissions needed in the next week? (so you aren't waiting for ever for things to get in)

i will also post a thread in the Instead forum up here on ECF and make a thread over on RTV.

Once it is done, I will also forward it on to Bill Godshall so he can use it where he deems appropriate. He has been quite active in getting the petition around and a video to go with it would be awesome. I can also send a link to tobaccoharmreduction.org AND make sure that Policy Impact Communications (the lobbyist firm for the association) Policy Impact has access to it as well.

Thank you! I sincerely appreciate you donating your time to this and I do hope my apology is accepted. This is what is needed. I am tearie eyed

i apologise too lacey.........big hugs all round!



ive created a email for people to send me the vids:-

ecavideo@aol.com


i will leave it down to you to decide what you think the best question for them to answer should be.

tell them to press record, wait a few seconds, answer question, wait a few seconds, then press stop.
that way it will give me some room to adjust for transitions without cutting into the spoken words.
tell them to just answer the question.......nothing else.

for example lets say the question is "how have e-cigs impacted your life?"

they would just say "i feel so much healthier and happier!" or "my breath doesnt smell of smoke anymore!"


im not saying that should be the question or type of answers.....its literally just an example.

short, sweet and to the point i think is the key.


youtube will allow 10 minute and 59 second long videos. i would like to leave one minute of video to play around with (intro, ending, transitions etc) so that should give me roughly 10 minutes of user generated footage. if each are 10 second long clips then that should equal 60 people needed to submit.

sound quality is probably more important than the video quality as we need to hear them speak clearly.
nearly everyone has a mobile phone with a camera that can shoot video so there is really no excuse to not submit.

it can be any video format as i have software that can convert to my preffered choice. i also have software that can increase the volume level of the recording if needed.

as its just short 10 second clips it should be fine to attatch it to a email and send. if it does cause problems via email then i will find another way.


i think its best if i just act as the film maker rather than a person deciding what you need in your video. simply because you know what kind of things need to be said and what will create the impact.

im happy to make suggestions but ultimately it will be your call!



so in summary i will need:-

1. ECA to decide on a question to be answered

2. 10 second long footage from e-cig users answering that question

3. ECA to provide titles, short impact statements, web addresses, etc

4. music suggestions (but bare in mind youtube has strict copyrite)

5. anything else that i have forgot


if you dont mind lacey, i will leave it to the ECA and RTV to promote the need for video submissions and direct them to the email address. its not because i dont want to promote it......its purely a time thing. when im not working, i spend most of my day answering questions about e-cigs and if i start getting tons more questions then i wont ever get the time to make the vid! lol
but obviously, if there is something that i can only answer then im happy to advise.


let me know your thoughts please,

cheers,

scott

 

[strayling]

For those of us without webcams how about local meetups? Someone could bring a cam and collect interviewlets from the attendees.

 

[LaceyUnderall]

scott - i think your question is great. people can definitely sum up their experience and passion for the ecig in 10 seconds when it relates to something that they truly feel. we need passion...

don't stress about the time thing... putting it together and getting submissions in is time enough. i will put something together to post in my blog and up here and on RTV and then let other suppliers know they can copy and paste if they want to extend to their customers. i will also confer with ECA and see what they would like to have presented and RTV as well.

thanks for the time put into your post there... i will definitely be using it as a guide on my post.

ok... here we go! 8-o

 

[igetcha]

cool!

i look forward to recieving the vids and info!

cheers,

scott