The Echo Thread - Part 2

[MsOceanCity]

Ok, got my stealth working, kinda. Won't work with carto fully screwed down. Not just echo carto but any carto. This is a first, weird and not cool! I just want to screw one on and vape, not mess with how many micro turns I have to back off to get it to work, ya know?! Since the dual cartos work well with other hardware, I'm thinkin I'll use them and put the echos back in storage Any advice before I do this??

 

[Charlz]

If you are a long time user, you probably already know about post adjustment but I don't want to assume anything. So I'll explain it for the benefit of others as well. With a thin piece of metal....pin...screwdriver... ect.....get between the threads and center post of the battery. Give it a slight wiggle, prying it up slightly. The slightest movement should do it.

The posts on the battery and hardware are designed to float slightly due to variances in manufacture hardware. The posts can move due to the fact that they are separated by a rubber gasket from the threads. Sometimes they can be pushed in too far my a specific carto...cleaning...or they just come that way.
It keeps them from making good contact with the carto as well as the charger. So make sure the battery is charged properly as well.


What it actually sounds like is what has happened to me before and another user on a single coil carto. The tails of the coil are simply pinched between the post and thread. Not soldered or glued on the echomizers. Every once in a great while they can be left sticking out too far and cause a short when screwed on too tight. Get a flashlight and shine it on the connection of the echomizer and see if you can see super thin wires poking out. You may be able to snip them enough with a pair of tiny cuticle scissors.

 

[Charlz]

Nice to see you again Charlz.
On another note, has anyone ordered from Tropical Vapors before? They have the best prices on Echo kits, but they do admit they are not true Hangsen. I'm thinking of ordering a second kit from them next paycheck, but want to make sure there's not going to be any unexpected issues with them.

I ordered two kits. One was radically different from the other. One was for a buddy. I opened mine and was a little disappointed. All the cartos had a funk to them that did nothing but stump the Charlz. I even completely rebuilt them and it was still there with cotton wick and completely different filler. So I went to meet up with my friend with sincere apologies and some spare batteries and cartos to lend him. But his kit looked, behaved and seemed exactly like a HS kit.

The only tip I can give you if you are going to ask questions, my kit had a darkened led tip that wasn't as bright as the HS led batteries. BUT the batteries weren't the issue. They work well and I use them. I prefer the led tips to the stealth because I am forever getting pocket lint and other stuff in the hole of the stealth which makes them misfire.

So....that's the whole story. I guess if you think about it....the cartos are throw away items. The batteries make or break a kit. I'm long past the catomizers and still loving the batteries.

 

[Johnnie Price]

Sounds like Tropical Vapers should be good to go then. I'm more interested in the batteries and a spare charger than anything else, so as long as they work I'll be happy.

 

[MsOceanCity]

What it actually sounds like is what has happened to me before and another user on a single coil carto. The tails of the coil are simply pinched between the post and thread. Not soldered or glued on the echomizers. Every once in a great while they can be left sticking out too far and cause a short when screwed on too tight. Get a flashlight and shine it on the connection of the echomizer and see if you can see super thin wires poking out. You may be able to snip them enough with a pair of tiny cuticle scissors.

When I read this post, I was like "huh?" but somewhere in the back of my mind, I do remember seeing "something" around the carto connection, but dismissed it. Hunted all over the freakin house for magnifiying glass, sharp cuticle scissors and flashlight. Took a good look in there and, low and behold, there were 2 tiny wires sticking out, 1 above and 1 below the gasket(white rubber ring). I managed to get hold of the one on top and snipped it. Screwed carto onto my new echo stealth(with fingers crossed) and it worked! PROBLEM SOLVED! YOU ARE A GENIOUS! THANK YOU SO MUCH!!

 

[Johnnie Price]

Actually, I do have another question. Has anyone tried rebuilding an Echomizer with something other than polyfill? I've heard of the blue foam for carts, but I was actually wondering if cotton would work well.

 

[Charlz]

Cotton hangs on to and soaks in moisture so it's not a good idea to use them for the entire thing. The pollyfill holds the liquid but doesn't hand on to it as tightly as cotton. Then the inner filler is cotton. It keeps the fluid from flooding the wick. Since cotton holds on to the moisture the pollyfill just feed the outer cotton which keeps it near the wick. (does that make sense?)
I tried blue foam and didn't like it. Don't let that stop you from trying stuff though.

Basically you want something porous that will hold liquid but allow it to flow through as well, a thin piece of something that soaks in fluid and hangs on to it and then the wick.

What I tried once or twice was eliminating the inner cotton entirely and leaving long cotton wicks which I wrapped around the base of the tube but it still doesn't work as well as the separate cotton piece. That's a head scratcher. The reason I did it is because the cotton piece wears out/burns faster that the polyfill. So I was running low. But Discount Vapors sells replacement cotton that works adequately. Replacement Inner Fill

If you experiment with cotton wicks, make sure you use 100% natural and non mercerized. Mercerizing is a process using harsh chemicals to soften cotton. Worriers here on the forum fear that there may be some left over on the cotton during the process and it's always better to be safe than sorry.

 

[Johnnie Price]

I just took a closer look at the Revolver Echo over at NHaler and it's not an automatic battery after all. I'm not that impressed by VV anyway, but if you were hoping for a VV auto Echo you're not going to find it.

 

[Los Marauder]

Johnnie, thats interesting. I see they have an Ego Revolver, an Igo Revolver, and an Echo Revolver. If I remember corectly Igo is made by Hangson, who also makes the Echo. The Igo has 808 threads like a Echo. I'm going to contact them again to see whats up. I wonder if they are selling the Igo as the Echo.

I sure don't want any buttons to push to take a draw every time.

 

[Johnnie Price]

Hey Los. Yeah, take a second look at the description and picture. It's the same as the iGo, but with an Echo head instead.

Kind of dishonest in my opinion, since every other Echo battery is an auto.

 

[Charlz]

One step closer. It's another option for sure but the problem is all the echo stuff likes to be vaped at 2.4-3.0 ohms. Bottom coils don't stand up to high wattage. The turbos fry juice. So any hardware currently for echo is sorta pointless on a variable voltage battery and also apt to give someone a bad taste for both echo and variable voltage. It's a little backwards. We want better hardware and clearos to put on the awesome battery.

The good news is if you like a constant vape at say, 3.8 ohms, variable voltage gives us that in the absence of a regulated echo battery. Still....maybe it's a step in the right direction. Whoever is making this VV with an echo connection might step us toward the t2s and 3s.....

Sorry...I tend to go through me thought process while I'm typing. But you all should be used to my rambling. I'm currently puffing thoughtfully on my kuwako too.

 

[Johnnie Price]

I doubt there's going to be any new advances for the Echo at this point. Most of the focus seems to be for the eGo and iGo, since they are vastly more popular. The Echo seems to be much more of a niche product. People seem addicted to those cone threads.

An automatic iGo or vGo may be the way to go if you want that flush look with the T2 or T3. I've been thinking of grabbing an auto X2 from S.I., but I'm not sure if I want to drop that much money on another battery. I already have a manual X2 I'm not using.

 

[lulu836]

I just took a closer look at the Revolver Echo over at NHaler and it's not an automatic battery after all. I'm not that impressed by VV anyway, but if you were hoping for a VV auto Echo you're not going to find it.

Have you tried VV and/or VV/VW? I used to say the same thing until I tried one. Being a DIYer for a while now I have found that adjustable volts/watts make a teriffic good difference in the taste of any juice, commercial or DIY. Especially noticeable in sweets and fruits. I cannot stand any juice that even hints of tobacco but I would imagine the difference is also noticeable in those. Don't dismiss an experience you haven't had yet.

 

[Johnnie Price]

I have a VV battery and tried a few things on it. It's okay, but it just doesn't give me that wow factor everyone raves about. Probably because everything I vape is menthol or iced, my juice just doesn't taste good above 4.0 volts and the difference is neglible.

 

[Los Marauder]

I could be wrong but I think quite a few VV users that rave about them are x-Ego users that were regulated to such low volts that they had no idea what a lil bit more was going to do. They definately have there place, and I figure if I don't like the vv I can set it to the same hit as my Echo's already, and at least not be out anything.

Thanks Charlz for the pionters on why Echos may not be worth VV. I tend to forget that kind of stuff, and just vape my same ol same ol, beloved Echos and Echomizers.

 

[Los Marauder]

Jonnnie was right about the Echo Revolvers VV bats. They are NOT automatic. Nhaler just got back to me. They said hopefully they will make some autos, and have asked for them, like the 650mah revolver bats. Well......not holding my breath. But give it up to Nhaler for getting back to me fast.

 

[Charlz]

Lulu does make a good point. Also, I've gotten my echomizer rebuilds down to a science but that wasn't always the case. I'd measure, snip, wrap...and a long time later put everything together only to have it way off the ohms I measured. Sometimes I'd have to start over. If I had a VV, I wouldn't have had to.

I've also (in over a year of being an echo user) had quite a few measure in at 3.2 and up. A VV would be handy there too. That's really why a VV for a 510 device makes so much sence. So much hardware...all over the board. 808s tend to stay on the straight and narrow so the dial on my VV wouldn't move much but it would be nice to have it there. And since I've failed in my campaign to get a 2.5 ohm echomizer factory made, all you chumps could still stay away from modding your echomizers and still get the wattage, which is the whole point of lowering the ohms in the first place.

If Nhaler succeeds in getting us an auto VV device, it would be the first and be the very thing to put the echo back in it's rightful throne. It still is the best fatty auto batt out there.

Can we please have some better clearos to prepare?

 

[Johnnie Price]

Well, what fat-style 808 clearos are already on the market? The CE4/CE5 and what else? The T2 and T3 are eGo threading only, and so far only S.I. has come out with one designed for the slight variance between eGo and iGo. And who can we contact to attempt to get them in Echo threading?

Every other clearo for 808's is made for the slim batts, with the exception of the M3's for the M1/M3 batteries.

I'm just curious how to go about getting better clearo options that are aesthetically pleasing on the Echo. Or would it be better to follow your direction from a year ago and modify our existing CE4's instead with Fluxomizers, Tidy's, Nano's, CE3's, ect?

 

[Johnnie Price]

Just figured I'd toss this out here.

None of my NHaler wicks will fit my I-Turbos from Victoria. The posts are just slightly too tall. Rather than throw them out, I decided to use it to rebuild one of my broken Echomizers. The coils on NHaler's Turbos are built the same way as the Echomizers, with the tails simply tucked into the silcone grommet on the connection post. Managed to dismantle it and reassemble my dead Echomizer with a 2.4 coil and it's vaping like a dream.

Though I'm sure buying kanthal and cotton is much cheaper, if you're lazy or don't have the free time necessary to make your own coils then you can simply buy some replacement wicks for a CE4 and pop them right into your dead Echomizer.

I'm glad I decided to start modding these things after all.

 

[StartLifeEndLife]

What it actually sounds like is what has happened to me before and another user on a single coil carto. The tails of the coil are simply pinched between the post and thread. Not soldered or glued on the echomizers. Every once in a great while they can be left sticking out too far and cause a short when screwed on too tight. Get a flashlight and shine it on the connection of the echomizer and see if you can see super thin wires poking out. You may be able to snip them enough with a pair of tiny cuticle scissors.

Hey was I the other user?

I have not been using my echos for a few months now because the draw seems crazy tight with wispy vapor which is not how i remember them when I first started. I've tried cleaning and just cant seem to get them to a point where my neck doesn't get sore from trying suck out some vapor.

Any advice or should i just try a new kit?

A clearo on the echo is not much better as far as draw goes so I am thinking its the battery, although it could just be that I got used to other hardware, but I doubt that.

oh and hey everybody! I know I haven't been around, but I haven't stopped vaping.