The Echo Thread - Part 2

[Los Marauder]

Hi again StartLifeEnd Life. I can't say on Echos, but the tight draw was something I had with some old Smoketip KR808D1 cig a likes. Tried it all. Used some alchohol and cleaning it,, tried prying the pin, and tried just vaping the hell out of it to loosen it up. A friend wanted to try vaping, and wanted the cig a like style. Last cig a likeI had. Had to tell him to try a disposable. Dratt, cause they suck.

Hope some one else has better news.

 

[Johnnie Price]

I haven't been using these things too long, but I noticed the Echomizers I got from Mountain Vapor have performed much better than the ones from Sterling Vapor. Even the first one I cleaned and rebuilt is performing better than those out of the box.

I dunno if it's a QC issue or if these vendors are getting their supplies from different manufacterers.

 

[Cyrus Vap]

Hey was I the other user?

I have not been using my echos for a few months now because the draw seems crazy tight with wispy vapor which is not how i remember them when I first started. I've tried cleaning and just cant seem to get them to a point where my neck doesn't get sore from trying suck out some vapor.

Any advice or should i just try a new kit?

A clearo on the echo is not much better as far as draw goes so I am thinking its the battery, although it could just be that I got used to other hardware, but I doubt that.

oh and hey everybody! I know I haven't been around, but I haven't stopped vaping.

good to see you man!

are you sure you haven't gotten used to other hardware? its been the death of me personally lol.

 

[Cyrus Vap]

Charlz, Lulu, I do agree with you both, but I would just emphasize both of charlz' points, namely, horizontal coils don't stand up to high wattage at all, making them a silly partner for a VV auto echo, and there is simply little out there in the way of an alternative that will stand up to said higher wattage for an Echo, i.e. we need better clearos.

I also emailed Nhaler, and got no response, so I'm glad they got back to you Los There IS a 1300 mAh Auto echo on the Nhaler website isn't there? My question to them was whether a 650 will come out.

Charlz I also wonder if there is a way to rebuild the Echomizers so that they will stand up to more power. My rebuildable feeder atties all belt out up to 12 watts like its a joke. Obviously the difference is the atty is sitting on a plate of juice, naked, while the horizontal carto is a ever waiting for the polyfill and diaper to feed it. Have you ever tried laying strands of cotton on top of the horizontal coil, or wrapping it in a diaper to give more buffer against overheating? That seems to be, after all why the vertical coils can push more heat vs. the bottom coils

 

[Cyrus Vap]

I haven't been using these things too long, but I noticed the Echomizers I got from Mountain Vapor have performed much better than the ones from Sterling Vapor. Even the first one I cleaned and rebuilt is performing better than those out of the box.

I dunno if it's a QC issue or if these vendors are getting their supplies from different manufacterers.

my experience is more limited than yours, but I remember whatever I got from the vapor girl was terrible, and I believe cropduster had solid cartos

have you tried northwest vapors recently?

 

[anotherme]

Does the echo 808 clearomizer fit on the vforl dial-a-volt?

 

[Johnnie Price]

@Cyrus - Haven't tried Northwest Vapors yet. They didn't have batteries or kits when I took the plunge, and they don't have enough to entice me to order from them. Until they get some batteries and/or black cartomizers to match my kit, I'll just stick with Mountain Vapor.

@anotherme - Yes it will. If you haven't already bought it, the Echo Revolver from NHaler is the same product at about $20 less and includes a clearo with three heads.

 

[Cyrus Vap]

One of the rare times that Nhaler actually has a better price than someone else lol

 

[lulu836]

'Tis almost the time of the dreaded Chinese New Year. Almost anything you REALLY want has an Out of Stock banner with it already. I have to pat myself on the back that I actually remembered and ordered most of the stuff I wanted in January. Hope you guys did the same.

 

[Johnnie Price]

There are still Echoes in stock at various places. As long as I can order a new kit on Friday then I'm happy.

 

[lulu836]

That's one of the disadvantages of tehnology--------in the olden times (about when fire was discovered) a person could "float" a check for two or three days and nobody was the wiser. Not so now.

 

[Errol]

I could be wrong but I think quite a few VV users that rave about them are x-Ego users that were regulated to such low volts that they had no idea what a lil bit more was going to do. They definately have there place, and I figure if I don't like the vv I can set it to the same hit as my Echo's already, and at least not be out anything.

You are probably right on that point. I doubt many early eGo users even knew they were vaping at that low a voltage.

One nice thing about most VV units is you set it at a given voltage like 3.7v and it maintains it until it needs charging. With most of the 3.7v batteries they are 4.2v off the charger and continue to drop until they need charging again at 3.5 down to 3.2v.

Errol

 

[Charlz]

Yes, SLEL...and the one who disccovered how to fix them and the one who pushed me to take them apart and rebuild them. So welcome back. You sure you just don't need new batteries? Or maybe the connections just need a good scrubbing....or even the charger.

I will admit when I first became enamored with the t2s on an ego twist, the echos seemed lacking but I could still get a good draw out of them. Some days I couldn't wait until I got back home to my twist but that was usually when I tried to push the echomizer an extra day.

 

[Charlz]

Charlz I also wonder if there is a way to rebuild the Echomizers so that they will stand up to more power.

Yep...I've tried a lot of things. Remember, our rebuildables are sealed and can't drip though a hole in the bottom. There is just no way to let echomizer wicks sit in a pool of juice. A ton of soggy cotton is counterproductive like overdripping in the attys. You get nothing until the coil is no longer under liquid. To get these things to work right, the wicks have to be at just the right moisture, The coil can't be too wet or too dry.

 

[lulu836]

Funny!! Here

 

[Johnnie Price]

Okay, so I finally finished my way through the entirety of this thread and the original one. Only took nearly a month during my free time!

Okay, so a final couple of questions.

About 5 months back Charlz suggested that when cleaning an Echomizer it's best to touch the inner cotton diaper as little as possible. Why is this? I've been cleaning the cotton along with the polyfill and everything seems to be working fine.

For those who re-wick their Echomizers, what's the best way without removing and re-seating the air tube? I've attempted it 3 times now. The first vaped great but when I removed the Echomizer to re-fill it the coil popped out of the post and I was unable to get it to stay back in. The second shifted and is burning the tube, but I'm hoping to be able to dismantle and adjust it. Thankfully I've got plenty of filler from other cartos I've experimented with. The third has an extremely tight draw. I think the coil is just too low on the post, but I won't be able to troubleshoot until I dismantle it again.

So far I've tried threading the coil up through the post and threading through the slots on the air tube. Neither method seems to work too well.

Remember I'm using already built coils, either from unused cartos or by dismantling CE4 heads. I'm sure eventually I'll begin to make my own coils, bjt I want to have re-wicking mastered first. I'm not even going to think about removing the air tubes anytime soon, if ever.

Thanks in advance! I'm off to the clearo thread for ....s and giggles.

 

[Charlz]

It's why we've moved to cotton threads. It's soft, You can make the coil first, secure it in the silicone with the center post and pop it in from underneath. Then simply thread the cotton wick through. There is no way you can thread silica wicks. There's you tube videos and such.

with the silica wicks, you must go in from the top and is why I was removing the post.

Fresh Cotton clings to whatever is on your fingers. It just soaks it up and will not let it go. Trust me. No matter what anyone has told you in life, you do not taste good. The oils vaped off your fingers taste funny and will leave you wondering what you did wrong. Best to invest in some Nitrile gloves and with how little they get used, you can rinse and reuse them. A $5 box will last a long time.

I've got to run. Hopefully Cyrus checks in. He's stayed more current on the threads for rebuilding and using natural fibers for wicking and can post all the right links. If not, maybe I will have a moment tonight.

 

[Los Marauder]

Charlz-Your line "No matter what anyone has told you in life,you do not taste good" made me laugh out loud.

 

[StartLifeEndLife]

Yes, SLEL...and the one who disccovered how to fix them and the one who pushed me to take them apart and rebuild them. So welcome back. You sure you just don't need new batteries? Or maybe the connections just need a good scrubbing....or even the charger.

I will admit when I first became enamored with the t2s on an ego twist, the echos seemed lacking but I could still get a good draw out of them. Some days I couldn't wait until I got back home to my twist but that was usually when I tried to push the echomizer an extra day.

I'm thinking that perhaps it is time for new batteries as a result of not doing regular cleaning the first few months I had them, my "breaking the pencil" method of taking apart echomizers, and its been a year since i joined ECF so that must mean its been about a year I had my batteries. Also, I have mostly been dripping on 3.4 ohm 510 attys @ 5v which im sure doesn't help things. After the Chinese New Year I'll order a new battery and some fresh echomizers to check it out.

Also damn, now we are using cotton wicks and have a system to rebuild without messing around with the center air flow tube? Jeeze you sure do miss a lot when you stop checking the threads lol. I'll have to catch up on whats going on there when I have some more time.


A note to where I have been: Due to lack of funding for vape stuff I stopped checking the threads so I wouldn't be enticed to buy anything new. It worked out pretty well because in the past 4 months I have spent about 9 dollars a month (new attys) and been making my own crappy juice from my last supply order in like october. (really have to start actually using recipes.)

 

[Charlz]

The only thing with the cotton is you have to be careful to keep it moist. So you have to pop off the tube every now and then drip on the cotton diaper. If you have a good air tube it's easy to ride the filler up with the tube but if it's old and frayed at the top it catches on the filler and you have to rewrap. Sometimes if your lucky the diaper rides up and down too and you can drip right on the cotton wicks. Pretty much the only reason I order new echomizers now is because the tube gets frayed on top.

Now that there are better clearo tubes out there, I may pick up where I left off before and see if I can swap the fiberglass tube for a more permanent metal one. Looking for one that has decent length and is one piece. Most of the ones I know about have tubes that slip onto the metal part with the slots. I could dremel off the bottom part and do one for myself but I always look to make it easy
for those who don't want to use power tools. Me...I don't want to solder anything. Just don't like doing it.