The Echo Thread - Part 2

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this edit is because you can't delete a post. So I guess I'll just rewrite it. LOL!

Good job on taking apart the echo-e, Jeremy. It's not an easy task. I had to use the same method as the 808 but it seemed after 10 minutes of pounding with a screwdriver I went to check my work by screwing it onto an ego battery and I had only moved the base down the threads like 1/8th inch.

The only good way I was able to rebuild the stock coils was to remove the air tube. Fix and dry burn and reattach the tube with food grade silicone. Silicone by it's nature is food grade but the solvents in it are not. DAP brand is safe but since it doesn't use the quick dry solvents, it takes a minimum of 72 hours to dry. Silicone uses humidity to cure so leaving it in a humid room like a bathroom can help but I'm not going to recommend anything less than 72hrs. Make sure to use the least amount possible and that there is no silicone near the coil and wicks or your going to have a bad time.

Another thing I was doing to get at the coil was only removing one side of the airtube and bending it off to the side. I'd carefully snip any fraying I caused to the airtube by bending it, trying not to open the hole where it fits the coil too much. Once it's wrapped back up with the filler, the airtube will stay in place.


One question is do you have experience filling bottom coil cartos? You really need to oversaturate the filler to the point the drip out the bottom the first time. Using a syringe helps the process. Don't forget to blow out the excess and wipe off the connections. Dispite them wanting to be oversturated to work right....they also don't like to be too wet so it takes a while to prime these at first to get a good draw.

The last thing: Horizontal bottom coils do best at 3.7v. If you are using an unregulated kgo, that first half an hour that the Kgo comes off hot at 4.2v may produce a burnt taste. But the dry tatse usually means the first thing. The wick didn't get wet enough on first fill. Again....don't keep at it until you fix it. If you keep tooting it with that nasty dry burnt taste, it will stay there long, long after you corrected the problem.
 
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Hello echo nation. I finally decided to upgrade to an echo from my 808's. What I was hoping for was a recommendation on a quality Site to get them. Tropicl vapers has a good price but it seems a few people on here had questions about the quality of the product. I dont mind spending a few dollars more to get a quality product. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
 

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Mtn Vapor, Northwest Vapors, Cropduster 901 are the three best for kits. For additional supplies Nhaler and Vapor Girl. Nhaler can be pricey on kits but usually offers hardware nicely priced. I still tend to stick with the first 3. Mtn vapor does have the best kit for the money but NW Vapors offers free shipping at a certain dollar and I believe a kit with a spare carto or two will cover that. Happy hunting!


I've had the best luck with additional echomizers from Cropduster but they all get the same stuff from the same place so that could just be...luck. If you have the funds try the turbo clearo to see if you like it or not. Some do....some don't.


And welcome by the way, I'm sure you'll be happy with the echo.
 

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The 801 hard tips I bought from Goodejuice are super tight on the echomizers. They are tough to get back off so there is no danger of them falling off. I've boiled, bent and opened a couple of them. It's weird though. You don't really get the new plastic taste you get from a lot of new tips but I hadn't realized how much I "seasoned" my old tips. Despite being plastic, they really do absorb flavors over time.

For those that are looking, goodejuice may not offer much to justify shipping costs unless you want to order some of their juice. It's just another PITA where I can't find any supplier that offers hardware or other supplies I use regularly that also sells these tips. It's something we are used to as 808 users, not having a good one stop shop. Maybe an email to our 3 main echo suppliers is in order.

What we are looking for is Boge leo/801 hard cartomizer tips. They come with the white carto insert attached and you have to pry them off. Most of the ones I found from google search only offered soft tips.
 

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True Hangsen echos only come in 650, 1100 and 1300 mah. I like a 900mah battery and to me, it makes more sense to offer that as the middle size. And that price, certainly makes it all the more attractive but not enough of us on here have ordered the V-fast version, which is what TV offers. I ordered a kit and a buddy ordered a kit. My batteries were not up to echo standards but my buddies were. So that makes it 50/50 until we hear more from others who have ordered from there.


If you like long hard toots, you may not enjoy an auto battery as much. It's a different draw. You have to kind of puff, puff, puuuuufff on it. The battery is very responsive and once you get the rhythm right, you won't even notice the 5-6 sec cutoff. That method really gets the most out of the bottom coils too. If you do need to take a long toot and hit it, it's ready to go again in under a second. There is a positive to the cutoff. It's easy to clear out any condensation that may be building up by hitting past the cutoff every now and then as opposed to my 510 auto which has a 10 sec cutoff. I actually have to physically unscrew it and blow it out every now and then.

I do think it may be awkward at first but you will love the freedom a good auto battery offers.
 

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It's such a tough call. Really I'd have to lean you towards NW just because they sell the batteries that are tried and true and if you decide to return it, it will be because you just didn't like it, not because the battery was faulty. That and because they are close to you, which is a nice thing to support.

Vapor Girl offers her own version of echo style batteries with a long cutoff. Los Marauder has the most current version (military style-she calls them) and he reported liking it. You may want to bug him on his profile and see if he'll update us on how he's doing with it. In the beginning they were a little buggy but I think that's all worked out. The reason she doesn't get a lot of press is we tend to stick with the Hangsen originals.

But there are more and more batteries coming out with echo threading so this will become the spot to discuss those too, I'm sure.
 

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Speaking of newer Echo-style batteries, have you heard about the Vapor Zeus coming out from V4L? A new auto e-cigar model with 808 cartos. I wouldn't spend the money on a battery from V4L, but those cartos look pretty nice. I may grab a few for my Echos.

Sorry I haven't been around much. Unfortunately, I've been dripping with my Sidesho much more lately since it's the only thing keeping me off of cigarettes right now. I'm thinking I'll have to buy a new 510 adapter and drip shield and pick up some 306 atties to keep using my Echos.
 

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I'm not sure. I have trouble perceiving such things, especially on video.

I also like the idea of the manual and/or auto function. I may have to break down and buy one of these batteries after all.

On another note, has anyone ever used the cone atomizers for the Brother e-cig from Avid Vaper? All I've been doing lately is dripping and dipping, so I'm thinking of grabbing one of these and an adapter to throw on my Echo batteries. It looks like it may be the perfect dripping atomizer to use with it; it's between that and an eGo-C.
 

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Okay, so Avid Vapor will tell you their 510-808 adapters are slotted properly for "sealed" 808's. They aren't. Thankfully, I still have enough pieces lying around to cobble one together.

Their Brother e-cig atomizers are eGo-B atties, only a wider diameter than a standard eGo or Echo. Except for the wider diameter, with the adapter they sit flush with the Echo. It even looks pretty nice with the addition of the Kuwako. The vape on these things is cold! It really makes the "ice" pop in my menthol; it's even colder than my old 801 atty. I may have to find someone who carries the eGo-B in LR for future purchases.

The eGo-C (type A) will not fire on the Echo at all. :( They have a sealed post, dammit. At least now I can drip on the Echo, otherwise these batteries would become useless.

And like a ....., I just stuck my 108 atty on the Echo with a cartomizer cone and it works perfectly. It just needs a long barrel drip tip to fit in there properly. Dammit, I could have saved myself $30.00.
 

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Here's the Echo+Kuwako with the Brother atomizer:

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It's actually the same diameter as the Kuwako. makes me want to fashion a sleeve to cover the gap.
 

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Don't know if you have a rotary tool. Mark an echomizer base at 5/16th from the bottomiIn three spots. I then wrap a piece of electrical tape where I want to cut, making sure it's even around to where it meats up again for a good guide. 5/16th should leave room for the width of the blade and then any sanding to even up the edge down to 1/4 inch.

(Black battery with a black sleeve and a black cartomizer usually leaves three different shades of black and actually looks pieced together and worse than the shiny band IMHO.)
 
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