The Echo Thread - Part 2

[Johnnie Price]

Ha!

Yeah, I'll pass on those stealths. Too much hassle for me. I like that my Echoes will take my abuse and keep working.

Hopefully, the Sidesho will perform half as well.

 

[lulu836]

there were no tears at the funeral for my echos, but alot of nice things were said by my daughter on the way to the recycling center.

rip .............

 

[Johnnie Price]

So some new stuff has come in, so I guess this is an update of sorts.

I think I've found the perfect mini companion to the Echo. I got the J108 model from Preferred Smoke. I honestly wouldn't recommend this kit to anyone. The carts were old, as were the cartomizers; one of the atomizers was DOA no matter how much I played with the center pin; it had a quality assurance card dated 2010(!); and even after reading the instructions I'm still not sure on how to charge the PCC or even if it is charging. However! It does have an exposed atomizer bridge similar to the 306, and dipping (not ​dripping) is simply out of this world. It is 99% the same as smoking, for those who are looking to replicate that. I dip, I vape for 5 minutes and I'm done. It is just like lighting up a cigarette. I wouldn't take it outside because the switch is super sensitive, but I have hardly even touched my Echo while at home since.

Also, my Kuwako came in today. I've been on the fence about ordering it, and I was even still on the fence after ordering it. But as most of you already know, it truly does give a whole new experience to vaping. I'll be honest, I'm still not comfortable vaping outdoors. And with that giant LED on the Echo, it's not really something I want to stand outside at the bar or the restaurant with. It's great for the car or indoors, but that's about it. It probably has to do with the fact that I'm still a smoker at heart, but with the Kuwako I have no qualms about standing outside in public and vaping away. It rocks.

So yeah. Minis are great for if you just want a "smoke break". The Kuwako is great if your outdoors all day or just want to put you're feet up. Despite my unwillingness to become a collector, I want and enjoy both.

 

[Los Marauder]

One thing I noticed about the Kuwako was that less people get upset about pipe smoke than cigarette, or cigar smoke. Maybe its because they don't smell as bad. Or possibly they seem more classy. Either way, you will get less hassel with the Kuwaco on the end of your Echo.

 

[JeremyR]

How cool is the vape on echo-e single coil. How much voltage can it handle ? I'm really liking the 2.0 - 1.6 coils on my riva 650. Do these do well on vv bats.

Never tried a echo cart but very interested


I've asked eric at DV to look into getting echo cartos would you guys like to have another vendor available?
Post in his thread if so.

 

[Johnnie Price]

The single coil is okay. I never used VV much to notice, but I've been told the dual coil works great. I think Mountain Vapor is the only one selling the Echo-E dual coil.

More vendors would always be good. I know DV had the Echo at one time, but they had quality issues from their supplier. I've only ordered Echo equipment from 2 vendors, but the cartos from Mountain Vapor are a much better quality than NHaler's. If only I could convince Dennis to carry the Echo-V so I could get everything in one stop.

 

[JeremyR]

Thanks, I'm looking at the echo cart because I want to be able to rebuild the coil. And from what ive seen you can. On the single coil that is. If I'm doing that I can make my coil whatever ohm I want. So I was wondering how hot they could get without burning or the wicking being able to keep up. I would like to go low res with it on a riva. What do you think can it handle.

Aren't all the echos made by hangsen? Are they bad batches or knockoffs

 

[Johnnie Price]

Yeah, you can disassemble, clean, dry burn and recoil these things relatively easily. Though I never had much luck inserting a new coil and quickly gave up, but I've also yet to successfully produce a working coil.

I think Hangsen is just a license holder on these things. I've actually ordered from 3 vendors now that I think of it, and the ones from Mountain Vapor have been the best quality out of those and a cheaper price. The ones I get from NHaler are okay, but the filler is a little loose and I get more cartos with the coil pressed up against the air tube which results in nasty burning. I think I toss 1 out of every 4 from them. But they may just be selling old stock, because I only get the iGo/Echo-V from there and there's not much of a demand for them. The ones from Sterling Vapor actually had a different filler inside than the others, 3 of my order were mistakenly dual coils because they're unlabeled and 2 of the other 3 were burning the filler on the first vape. I've yet to toss one out of the box from Mountain Vapor, out of the 15 or so I've gotten from there.

Charlz has stated many times that bottom coils don't work well at higher voltages, but that may just be his opinion and experience. I didn't enjoy VV for the brief time I tried it, but everything I used was bottom coil or a Stardust. But then there are plenty of people using bottom coil clearos and cartos on VV, so YMMV.

Really, at $2.50 a pop from MV it wouldn't hurt to buy 3 or 4, rip 1 apart to learn how to rebuild them and try it out. I know I've spent $13.00 on worse things when it comes to vaping.

 

[Los Marauder]

Most of us Echo users eventualy liked the single coil better than the dual coil. The dual coil burn threw more juice and just don't give any big advantage over the cheaper single coil.

If you get a Echomizer that is burnig your filler, just get a needle and mini flashlight and lightly push the coil to center threw the air tube. I check all mine befor I even fill them just to make sure.

We are not the Rockerfellers. Every penny counts.

 

[Johnnie Price]

Every coil I tried to adjust I ended up breaking. I eventually gave up out of frustration.

I know it can be done. I just don't have the hand or eye for it.

 

[JeremyR]

I guess the over all factor would be do they handle chain vaping well. I am confident i can rebuild the coils, as I have manually on t3,t2,stardust, and mini vivi. I rocking a 1.5 on my t2right now and it's sick, really nice, but have to wait for wicks to catch up after a few drags.

 

[Los Marauder]

I chain vape my Echomizers till the cows come home. I have one litteraly hanging from my mouth at all times unless I am at work. I also vape DIY 100% VG and still keeps a nice consistant vape. They hold 3ml of juice, more like 3.5 first fill, but don't let them compleatly dry out before refilling. If they run dry you run the risk of burning the filler and then they can have a funky taste.

You will get used to what the filler looks like before its dry. I seem to notice to fill mine when they will take about 2.5ml.

The only issues with Echomizers are
1) dont fill your Echomizer on a Battery. They can have a couple drips on filling,(but only then, they never leak) and the liquid can kill your battery.

2)use a syringe to fill. makes it so much faster.

3) The tips they come with don't stay on so pick up a 801 drip tip.

Other than this, they are rockin for me. Been using them for ever. Well over a year and a half.

 

[kren]

Agree with Los. I have found no reason to switch from my first e-cig purchase (after the gas station) -- it was an Echo kit from SmokTek back in January 2012. I also chain vape most of the day (lowered my nicotine level to 15 mg and have no health issues there). I know the basics of filling the carto (syringe, not on the battery, can taste when I'm getting low) but have not delved into the engineering mechanics like some of our wonderful members here thumb: Charlz, my mentor!) .... I'm happy with my low level of tinkering!!!!

I just passed my one-year anniversary and every now and then I get the urge to try something new and invariably end up right back here with my Echo 1300 and straight up cartos. Everything else has proved inferior in some way. And I save my used cartos but don't bother cleaning them. I figure if the zombie apocalypse comes I will need to worry about that, but in the meantime, I'm thousands of dollars ahead even with buying a half-dozen cartos every couple of months.

No worries. And isn't that what we're all striving for?

 

[Los Marauder]

Congrats on one year Kren.

 

[Charlz]

I guess the over all factor would be do they handle chain vaping well. I am confident i can rebuild the coils, as I have manually on t3,t2,stardust, and mini vivi. I rocking a 1.5 on my t2right now and it's sick, really nice, but have to wait for wicks to catch up after a few drags.

If you are looking to the 510 version, the echo-e cartomizers, for some reason they don't vape the same. BUT I haven't tried one since I found a rockin 510 auto battery. Also if you are a lr vaper, these bottom coils just don't keep up. The lowest I can go with kanthal and cotton is 2.2 but with a good auto battery like the echo it's a different style of vaping. It's not a rootin tootin pull but more of a puff puff puff toooot....which really gets a good good heat going like stoking a fire. But it's more of a casual, dangling from the mouth vaping than pluck it off the desk, rip it a few and put it down. In fact, some of the older echo batteries misfire at 2.0 and below.

But if you can do a t3, you'll be amazed at how these things just seem to be designed to be taken apart and rebuilt. The only part to be careful about is making coils large enough to handle 3 strands of cotton and still keep them off the air tube.

I am back to carrying around my echo full time. The kanger t3s have such heavy bases that they will crack if dropped from a couple of feet. I had a drunken pass off at the bar the other night that not only ruined my night but made a bad case for e-cigs in general. The echo on the other hand, has never done anything but represented me well. And yes, I do carry spare tips.

 

[Johnnie Price]

I use both the Echo and Echo-V on a Volt auto X2. The only difference I've noticed is the Volt has a bit of a tighter draw. For that reason alone it's relegated as an emergency backup.

 

[Los Marauder]

Looks like V4L is heavily advertising its new auto VV.

 

[JeremyR]

Well I've ordered the echo-e to try on my riva/ego 650 manual bats. I hope they're what I'm looking for. Really looking for an easy great vape for me and the wife. Im sick of having leaks and random flooding; wasting juice and searching for napkins. Lol

Yeah the 1.5 ohm head has damaged my bats I think the use time has gone down considerably on my 2-2.4 heads. I think a 2.2-2.4 coil in the echo would be good enough for me.

 

[Johnnie Price]

Looks like V4L is heavily advertising its new auto VV.

Wow, someone actually came out with an auto VV! I didn't think it would happen.

It looks like an Echo. Wonder how good the draw is.

 

[Charlz]

I figured they would be the first. We may have good hardware soon for our echos. Even if they are super expensive. Time to start scouring the boards for those crazy sales they always have. The ones that make their stuff overpriced instead of jaw dropping expensive.