The Elephant in the Room

[Racehorse]

Minors will smoke even if they're not legally allowed to, and therefore they should have the possibility to quit through vaping.

Then, they should also have the possibility to quit alcohol, and be able to purchase Antabuse, Naltrexone, Campral.

Right?

CHILDREN do not have the maturity, awareness, or behavioral milestones to manage alcohol, nicotine, overeating dependencies/addictions. Anymore than they can treat themselves for ADHD.

That is precisely why minors are not given access to these things....because they are not mature enough to manage and/or treat themselves for addictions/dependencies.


And that is why they should not be allowed to buy substances that treat addictions/dependencies.

 

[beckdg]

Smoking cigarettes MAY cause cancer. It doesn't cause cancer in everyone. Not everyone develops emphysema. My grandmother lived to be 90 and smoked every single day of her life from the age of 12 & she was fit as a fiddle till she died of stroke related issues. Genetics, luck, other environmental factors all play a role.

Dr F essentially said the flavorings of concern are an avoidable risk, right? Isn't he the main source of the science we accept? If it's at acceptable levels then why mention it or single the flavorings out?

Who's suggesting we STOP people from vaping ? Other than minors...and yes, I will stand firm that they shouldn't be allowed to vape. Once they hit the age of consent, they can smoke or vape, or buy porn or visit prostitutes in Las Vegas, or gamble...or visit a state where lots of stuff is legal. Or they can break the law and do it before they are 18 like everyone else does.

I vape for the harm reduction.....and my cold turkey attempts to quit smoking weren't working. I think that's the main benefit for the majority. But can't I choose to vape AND ask for some standardization on e liquid without having my intentions questioned?

Not really once you're in a situation where you should be aware that deeming regulations look to decimate the entire industry before it gets a firm foothold.

Not that I disagree with your post. Just that losing most of what we have now would be a massive tragedy considering the life saving potential we'd be throwing away.

Sent from my device.

 

[WattWick]

You've never heard of that website that's like silk road, but only does tobacco for teens?

Where's the fun in that? Half the charm was searching around for semi-shady places to nervously ask for cigs while pretending to be a very not nervous cool older kid. Used to have one where they always mispriced their cigarillos. 20-packs was priced like a 10-pack of cigs. Needless to say; I was a cigarillo smokin' teen for a while. Might have been the equivalent of a hip cloud chasing kid of those days.

 

[sub4me]

LOL, or maybe there's no rules when buying tobacco from Indians, I don't know, maybe.

 

[Bernard Marx]

I just don't see a bunch of pre-adolescents sitting under the climber vaping.

 

[readeuler]

Where's the fun in that? Half the charm was searching around for semi-shady places to nervously ask for cigs while pretending to be a very not nervous cool older kid. Used to have one where they always mispriced their cigarillos. 20-packs was priced like a 10-pack of cigs. Needless to say; I was a cigarillo smokin' teen for a while. Might have been the equivalent of a hip cloud chasing kid of those days.

Indeed. I just had 'dopey' adults sell me smokes the minute I was able to drive through a shady drive-thru. Ah, childhood...

So I guess you could say I've participated in the tobacco black market. It certainly wasn't legal for me to buy them.

 

[readeuler]

Double post. I blame ECF

 

[sub4me]

Just that losing most of what we have now would be a massive tragedy considering the life saving potential we'd be throwing away.

Tragedy?? Are you for real?? Nobody's taking it away. There will be regulations for safety reasons just as there are under alcohol, tobacco, and firearms and guess what?? All those things are easily available, so relax.

 

[Plastic Shaman]

Where's the fun in that? Half the charm was searching around for semi-shady places to nervously ask for cigs while pretending to be a very not nervous cool older kid. Used to have one where they always mispriced their cigarillos. 20-packs was priced like a 10-pack of cigs. Needless to say; I was a cigarillo smokin' teen for a while. Might have been the equivalent of a hip cloud chasing kid of those days.

The internet is a semi-shady place.

 

[WattWick]

Tragedy?? Are you for real?? Nobody's taking it away. There will be regulations for safety reasons just as there are under alcohol, tobacco, and firearms and guess what?? All those things are easily available (with heavy sin taxes), so relax.

Made a little revision for you.

 

[KenD]

Then, they should also have the possibility to quit alcohol, and be able to purchase Antabuse, Naltrexone, Campral.

Right?

CHILDREN do not have the maturity, awareness, or behavioral milestones to manage alcohol, nicotine, overeating dependencies/addictions. Anymore than they can treat themselves for ADHD.

That is precisely why minors are not given access to these things....because they are not mature enough to manage and/or treat themselves for addictions/dependencies.


And that is why they should not be allowed to buy substances that treat addictions/dependencies.

I don't disagree at all. All I'm saying is that there's a problem if vaping is MORE restricted/controlled than smoking, which it's likely to be due to smoking being everywhere. That doesn't mean that I'm of the opinion that vaping equipment and e-liquid (with nicotine) should be sold to minors, just that the disparity in availability is a problem (well, if you're of the opinion that nic liquid should be more restricted it's really not a problem because it's already more difficult to buy).

 

[sub4me]

The internet is a semi-shady place.

Mostly shady if you look at the sub net. Don't say I didn't warn you. LOL.

 

[KenD]

And just to clarify, I don't have kids nor am I likely to ever have children. But, if my niece or nephew ever start smoking (Lucifer forbid), I'm really hoping that vaping will be there as a tool for them to quit.

 

[Plastic Shaman]

And just to clarify, I don't have kids nor am I likely to ever have children. But, if my niece or nephew ever start smoking (Lucifer forbid), I'm really hoping that vaping will be there as a tool for them to quit.

According to some people around here, you shouldn't have an opinion on these things if you don't have kids.

 

[sub4me]

Or on anything unless it fits their agenda.

 

[Bernard Marx]

We can hardly find a kick in vaping and it took us years to develop a taste for nicotine. I really don't think kids are going to be interested.

 

[Lessifer]

My question is why you think the FDA's only concern is vaping. They have a lot going on. Sure, they could look all this stuff up. However, I don't know how valid all this research is or how they would look at it. Regardless, they have a ton of stuff going on all the time and don't actively do this. That's why research is commissioned and all parties can bring in evidence during the notes and comments period.

The FDA is a fairly large agency. Are they all concentrating on vaping? No. I would, however, wager there are at least a few employees dedicated to the issue of electronic cigarettes, since they spent 3 or 4 years drafting the proposal for the deeming regulations, missing a number of congressional deadlines. Not to mention that electronic cigarettes represent billions in potential revenue, I mean "application fees."

 

[Jman8]

So maybe stop with the scary black market harmful e liquid propaganda, its nonsense.

Right after you stop with the scary unregulated harmful eLiquid nonsense.

I'm sure minors will get all the key info and warning labels and fair pricing that the underground market consistently delivers.

 

[Jman8]

And just to clarify, I don't have kids nor am I likely to ever have children. But, if my niece or nephew ever start smoking (Lucifer forbid), I'm really hoping that vaping will be there as a tool for them to quit.

It can't be. The adult vaping population, that started smoking at age 13, has spoken. No vape gear, even with 0 nic, is permissible to the kids who are not developed enough to realize that this could be a way off of smokes.

Here's some Chantix to tie you over until you're 18.

 

[sub4me]

Right after you stop with the scary unregulated harmful eLiquid nonsense.

Problem is its not nonsense look it up there's some very real stories. Contact the schools, doctors, hospitals, law enforcement, open your eyes to the real world facts.