The Final Count Down -- Are You Ready?

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FranC

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    I’m truly glad I’m stocked up into my mid 90’s but feel bad for those that aren’t or don’t know. I’ll keep crossing my fingers for those folks that this crazy tax doesn’t pass.
    Me too
     

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    House committee has already sent it to the house for a vote. It is a given it will skate through both.
    I'm not convinced it's a given, and even if it does make it through both houses, the POTUS would still have to sign it.

    My concern is how fast they can implement it. I personally need 3 more weeks.
    The Senate version has an effective date of 180 days after enactment, while the House version becomes effective in the first quarter that starts at least 90 days after enactment.
     
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    I'm not convinced it's a given, and even if it does make it through both houses, the POTUS would still have to sign it.


    The Senate version has an effective date or 180 days after enactment, while the House version becomes effective in the first quarter that starts at least 90 days after enactment.
    Thank you!
     

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    Tin-foil hat mode:

    The moment this tax is signed into law, the CDC will announce that they've come to the conclusion that legitimate, mass-market nicotine vapor products have nothing to do with the recent spate of lung illnesses, and that vaping most likely is much safer than smoking. :sneaky:
     

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    Tin-foil hat mode:

    The moment this tax is signed into law, the CDC will announce that they've come to the conclusion that legitimate, mass-market nicotine vapor products have nothing to do with the recent spate of lung illnesses, and that vaping most likely is much safer than smoking. :sneaky:
    My brain went there as soon as I saw the post on elr.
     

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    Oh cripes.
    It seems there's a startlingly similar bill in the Senate, with roughly 19 co-sponsors:
    https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/BILLS-116s2463is/pdf/BILLS-116s2463is.pdf

    From your Link...

    ‘‘(h) ALTERNATIVE NICOTINE PRODUCTS.— 12 ‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—On alternative nicotine 13 products, manufactured in or imported into the 14 United States, there shall be imposed a tax equal to 15 the applicable dollar amount per gram of nicotine 16 (and a proportionate tax at the like rate on all frac17 tional parts of a gram) contained in such product. 18 ‘‘(2) APPLICABLE DOLLAR AMOUNT.—For pur19 poses of this subsection, the applicable dollar 20 amount shall be equal to— 21 ‘‘(A) $50.33, or 22 ‘‘(B) for any specified class of alternative 23 nicotine products which is identified pursuant 24 to regulations prescribed by the Secretary, such 25 amount as may be determined by the Secretary 26 (in consultation with the Secretary of Health

    Kinda a Wacked Cut n' Past.

    But that Doesn't sound too bad. At 50 Bucks a Gram, that comes out to 5 Cents per Milligram.

    So that 1L Bottle of 100mg/ml Nicotine Base would only have a Measly $5,000 Tax on it.

    They pass that kinda of Tax on e-Liquids and the War on Vaping isn't going to be Over. Vaping will be their New Best Friend.

    LOL
     

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    I'm not convinced it's a given, and even if it does make it through both houses, the POTUS would still have to sign it.


    The Senate version has an effective date of 180 days after enactment, while the House version becomes effective in the first quarter that starts at least 90 days after enactment.
    Time to step the the calls to the white house and tweeting folks. I Vape I vote. We need to make sure Trump knows that if he signs this he is in big trouble with a substantial number of vapers.
     

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    While I agree we should shout loud and proud personally when considering a vote vaping would not be at the top of my priority issues list.
    But Trump does not need to know that. He just has to think it would cost him votes.
     

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    Trump knows that he would lose even more votes from the antz if he went against it so I don't see that tactic working, sorry.

    Karl Rove once said that one of the Biggest Mistakes a candidate can make is trying to get Votes on Secondary Issues from voters who aren't going to Vote for Him/Her on Primary Issues.

    And that it is Almost Always better to "Play to the Base" when it comes to Single Issue Voters.
     
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    While I agree we should shout loud and proud personally when considering a vote vaping would not be at the top of my priority issues list.
    While it would not be a deciding factor for me, it would be at the top of my list because any politician willing to put public health at risk by restricting vaping (whether it be through willful ignorance or to promote their own agenda) cannot be trusted and should not be in office.
     

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    Karl Rove once said that one of the Biggest Mistakes a candidate can make is trying to get Votes on Secondary Issues from voters who aren't going to Vote for Him/Her on Primary Issues. And visa versa.

    And that it is Almost Always better to "Play to the Base" when it comes to Single Issue Voters.

    There are real single issue voters. Abortion, guns, and health care are issues that seem to fall into that category. I doubt if vaping would swing many voters, especially as it seems to be a rare bipartisan issue. I guess it might tip the scales for someone who was on the fence about who to vote for.

    Probably not a worthwhile calculation for a politician though. To sign the bill or veto it. Gain or lose a handful or soccer moms, or a handful of vapers.
     

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    While I agree we should shout loud and proud personally when considering a vote vaping would not be at the top of my priority issues list.
    Especially when there are no vaping advocates in Washington including anyone I know of running for president.
     
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