The Final Count Down -- Are You Ready?

[MacTechVpr]

I wonder how they are going to enforce things come May... I mean the FDA cannot visit every mom and pop shop out there. I am sure some local governments that are against vaping will take things into their own hands, but not every place will. It will be interesting (and sad) to see how it all unfolds.

I do not understand how the FDA or any other federal agency has the authority to intervene in the commerce of any local merchant within a state that is not selling across state lines. Particularly in a state like FL where the State preempts legislation or regulation of tobacco.

Yes federal enforcement is going to be interesting to see. Also the new taxes and state mandates that would no doubt be necessary to support it.

That is, unless the FDA is King and Trump's EO's on limited lawful guidance are executive overreach. But then we're used to pervasive contradiction by the rationalizing centralist anti-Democritus bent.

Good luck.

 

[Rossum]

I wonder how they are going to enforce things come May...

That's the billion dollar question.

I mean the FDA cannot visit every mom and pop shop out there. I am sure some local governments that are against vaping will take things into their own hands, but not every place will. It will be interesting (and sad) to see how it all unfolds.

This is where dedicated vape shops will have a hard time; they have no fall-back. It's quite possible the future belongs to smoke shops (most of them also sell vape goods at this point) and head shops. Smoke shops who have a know vaping clientele will likely keep some items available for them under the counter. Head shops will likely have some stuff available that's "not intended for use with a tobacco product".

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

Not really. The person signing for the package will have to produce an ID verifying age.

That depends. USPS has 32 types of services for signature - regular signature required and then Adult Signature Required & Adult Signature Restricted Delivery.

What is Adult Signature Restricted Delivery?

• Adult Signature Required, requires the signature of an adult 21 years of age or older, anyone.
  
• Adult Signature Restricted Delivery requires the signature of the addressee only, who must be 21 years of age or older.
  
• Note: Prior to delivery, the recipient is required to show a government issued photo identification for proof of age and, in some cases, identity.

USPS.com FAQs

As far as FedEx and UPS, not sure, but last I checked they only have one signature service but not sure if ID is needed to verify adult status.

These may have changed, too lazy to check. lol

But I can tell you that these UPS and FedEx delivery drivers have dumped sig required packages at my door without ringing my doorbell and getting my signature. This was for expensive specialty medication I had to order by mail. They would just drop it and tell the computer system it was signed for (I know because tracking showed it was signed for). And no, it wasn't during the busy holiday season, either.

 

[zoiDman]

I wonder how they are going to enforce things come May... I mean the FDA cannot visit every mom and pop shop out there. I am sure some local governments that are against vaping will take things into their own hands, but not every place will. It will be interesting (and sad) to see how it all unfolds.

This is where the concept of "Intended Use" is going to be Tested.

Because I can Remember when they cracked down in California on being able to sell things like a Water Pipe in head shops. So head shops would put up signs saying "For Tobacco Use ONLY".

Now the Shoe is on the Other Foot. And I'm sure that some shops will try to say that what they sell is for ... Only.

LOL

 

[440BB]

If I had a shop I would be thinking about the possibility of credit card processors cutting off vape businesses. In the current climate demonizing ecigs it would be a concern, even if only a small possibility. The kiss of death, almost instantly.

 

[ENAUD]

I wonder how they are going to enforce things come May... I mean the FDA cannot visit every mom and pop shop out there. I am sure some local governments that are against vaping will take things into their own hands, but not every place will. It will be interesting (and sad) to see how it all unfolds.

They don't have to visit every shop, they will more likely send letters of non compliance to every manufacturer and importer who registered their products, then escalate with fines etc. until they get compliance. I wonder if some will resist like the raw milkers...that would be fun to watch.

 

[Rossum]

They don't have to visit every shop, they will more likely send letters of non compliance to every manufacturer and importer who registered their products

So you're telling us that registration does lead to confiscation?
Oh wait, wrong subject/forum...

then escalate with fines etc. until they get compliance. I wonder if some will resist like the raw milkers...that would be fun to watch.

I don't think I'd consider it "fun". Educational and informative as to the real nature of government and "laws", perhaps, but not fun.

 

[ENAUD]

So you're telling us that registration does lead to confiscation?
Oh wait, wrong subject/forum...


I don't think I'd consider it "fun". Educational and informative as to the real nature of government and "laws", perhaps, but not fun.

Point #1...yes.

Point #2...I think that you might know that bureaucrats wearing fancy suits, writing words on paper, know full well that they have armies of clowns, wearing costumes, badges and guns, and those clowns are eager to enforce those words on paper.

 

[Letitia]

If I had a shop I would be thinking about the possibility of credit card processors cutting off vape businesses. In the current climate demonizing ecigs it would be a concern, even if only a small possibility. The kiss of death, almost instantly.

Most of the shops around here already offer discounts for paying with cash. Local shop pays the tax if you use cash.

 

[zoiDman]

Most of the shops around here already offer discounts for paying with cash. Local shop pays the tax if you use cash.

If I was on Going Out of Business due to All that has been waylaid onto Us, I would want as Much of My Sales as possible to be in Cash also.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

If I had a shop I would be thinking about the possibility of credit card processors cutting off vape businesses. In the current climate demonizing ecigs it would be a concern, even if only a small possibility. The kiss of death, almost instantly.

That's a possibility again. But they will have to get what is called a high-risk merchant account, which has higher transaction rates, hold before payouts, etc. Many Vape vendors got gouged by high risk accounts right when Paypal banned vape for USA. Shortly after they were able to get better rates. I believed these will bite online vedors again. If you have a B&M, you can get better terms even if you have an online store.

It's not just about tobacco, it's because vape attracts a lot of fraudulent transactions.

 

[Letitia]

If I was on Going Out of Business due to All that has be waylaid onto Us, I would want as Much of My Sales as possible to be in Cash also.

They do it to save money. Down here they don't have constant turn over so the electronic charge fees can be burdensome during slow weeks. Hell some would rather take a check.

 

[stols001]

Today is December 11th. That means we have:

FIVE months left.

Dood. The baby is almost able to survive in an incubator with like, a few disastrous health problems.

Stock, start keep etc. You don't want to wind up like this baby with disastrous health problems because some JERKS in the government are like, "We are going to induce."

Because you know the end of this 9 months of doom is NOT gonna wind up with a healthy kid that has all the breast milk/ formula it WANTS..

Nope. Start stocking, keep stocking DO IT.

Anna

 

[stols001]

Never give up hope for her. If she was smart enough to marry you then she’s smart enough to quit smoking...some day.

That is exactly what happened to me. I had to be LITERALLY faced with the possibility of a COPD diagnosis and the idea of an oxygen tank.

Granted some of us are more stubborn than others, but it is AMAZING how I suddenly became "mentally ready" to quit. I mean.... But I could NOT have done it without vaping.

I sort of hope that happens to the husband like, a reversible thing (I breathe so much better) but here's the thing he's been smoking since age 8, he's not a heavy smoker, and he'll probably wind up with lung cancer before quitting which is SUCH a giant PITA.

Oh well if he ever is ready I will share my stash, etc. Sigh.

Anna

 

[CMD-Ky]

I went ahead and prepared for three, me (first and foremost), my daughter (a committed vaper and former combustible user) and the very lovely Mrs CMD (for whom my hopes spring eternal).

That is exactly what happened to me. I had to be LITERALLY faced with the possibility of a COPD diagnosis and the idea of an oxygen tank.

Granted some of us are more stubborn than others, but it is AMAZING how I suddenly became "mentally ready" to quit. I mean.... But I could NOT have done it without vaping.

I sort of hope that happens to the husband like, a reversible thing (I breathe so much better) but here's the thing he's been smoking since age 8, he's not a heavy smoker, and he'll probably wind up with lung cancer before quitting which is SUCH a giant PITA.

Oh well if he ever is ready I will share my stash, etc. Sigh.

Anna

 

[stols001]

Yeah yeah I will buy a few more liters of nic. Hope springs eternal at my husband.

I have not nagged him about vaping due to the house stuff, I am mostly nagging him ABOUT the house stuff, but I figure it's probably not the best time to start vaping.

He has no idea what nagging awaits. I can do it all a) logical b) I am concerned about you c) get a life insurance policy dude I DON'T CARE I deserve one you geezer d) if you vape, I will nag you less, e) all the benefits of vaping f) snus it up g) you say you hate the government this is your revenge. I could go on.

Then I wait a while and see.... Being all nice, and all that plus sex, then a surprise ULTRA nag.

Nagging is something of a science. LOL. I've had my experimentation. God knows I have plenty of THINGS.

More nic, more bottles, I need my meds FIXED ARGH tomorrow will SUCK. I think. I might just do yoga today because tomorrow is gonna be horrible.

You ever get that feeling in the back of your neck like it's gonna pop or something and your head is wringing. It truly AMAZES me (it shouldn't) that a SMALL change in generic manufacturers can do this.

The last time it was Teva Too (XR Wellbutrin, they should have been SHUT DOWN for that,.)

So Adderall is bad too. Great. I just spent 2 hours at the pharmacy finding out WHAT to do like, and knowing it could not probably happen until Wed at the latest. I really wanted to leap across the counter and like, snatch the bottles. I didn't.

Anna

 

[Rossum]

He has no idea what nagging awaits.

Trust me -- nagging won't achieve your desired outcome.

 

[stols001]

Yeah yeah @Rossum, I know.

It is sometimes the HALTING of the nagging that achieves the desired outcome. Oxytocin is released on his part when I am all loving and attentive and worship him like a God.

If that doesn't work, well, there's just radio silence for a while. LOL.
Anna

 

[Uncle]

Well - Before Everyone gets too busy and begin their Celebration of the Holidays with Friends & Family . . .

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To All "My" ECF Friends here - I want "You" ALL to know No Matter What "You" Personally Celebrate this Month of Holidays - Be It . . .

The Best of Winter Solstice - the Longest Night of the Year . . .​

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A Great & Bright Chanukkah . . .​

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A Very Merry Christmas . . .​

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A Celebration of Kwanzaa . . .​

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The Meaning of Kwanzaa​

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I would "Like' To Pass-on To "You" and Yours"​

The Best This Holiday Season Has To Offer . . .​

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Comfort - Light - Happiness - Good Fortune​

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AND - May Everyone "You" Know​

Have A Joyous and Prosperous​

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May these Days - For "YOU" & "Yours" - be Filled with nothing but . . .​

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"PEACE" ~ "JOY" ~ "HAPPINESS"​

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[stols001]

You forgot the Flying Spaghetti monster and all his noodely appendages. LOL.

S'okay. He's not much of a smiter.

Anna