The Final Count Down -- Are You Ready?

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I ended up getting all of those.

I bought a Kanger Kbox 40W box mod on sale from MVS a couple of years back. Tested it to make sure it worked and put it back in the Apocalypse box! It was one that had a row of discrete LEDs for power selection instead of an alphanumeric display. It's not a fancy mod, but one that will do the job if needed. Can't beat the prices, though.

I've had the sigelei tube mod (Provari competition years ago) for a while and it resides in the back up box with my old, but like new Provari V2. Which reminds me, I need to buy a few newer button top 18650s for the Provari.
 
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No, I just got a refund. I didn’t want to chance it

You'd think that they would at least refrigerate nic in stock (and they may do that) until it was shipped unless they were operating in pressure mode to get orders filled. I guess it pays to look around for recent purchasers to find out what they are getting and whether it's clear. I never worried about the nic I've bought from MFS and have received clear and clean stock each time.
 
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I'm ready. To stop buying stuff. But I can't. There's still something else I forgot. Or would be really cool to have, so ya gotta buy it now or never. Or is such a good deal, that ya gotta buy it now. Or exactly 2 days from now. I have a ThunderHead Creations Tauren Max mechanical mod in my cart at Ali Express. This was at the urging of the merchant. If I wait until Monday to check out, I will get it for $45.11 If I check out now, I'll have to pay $48.50 If I bought it from Fasttech, it would be over $53. That's down from an MSRP of $139. So if you find a US seller, they'll probably be asking $99.

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I'm starting to wonder whether 5 regulated mods will be enough backup for several dozen mechs. I might need to buy more regulated mods just because. And more RTA's. I almost have enough RTA's. Maybe one or two more. Maybe 3 or 4 more just to keep things from getting too tight. Of course, if you buy 3 or more of each one, Fasttech gives you a quantity discount.

But I'm all ready to go. Just as soon as I buy a few more things tonight. I'll have all of the shopping wrapped up after tonight. I'm pretty sure, anyway.

Mechs are the ultimate backup, at least for reliability. They aren't a good newbie device, but you can count on them to work reliably, especially if you have replacement parts (switches and springs) to back them up.
 

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$20 Radio Shack soldering iron? Can you imagine what my $3.47 Chinese soldering iron jobs look like?

For the delicate parts I wind a length of heavy gauge SS wire around the tip and leave a quarter to a half inch free to stick off the end of the iron. You can touch any solder pad without overheating its neighbors.

A cheap Chinese iron works fine once you do that.
 
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For the delicate parts I wind a length of heavy gauge SS wire around the tip and leave a quarter inch free to stick off the end of the iron. You can touch any delicate part without overheating its neighbors.

A cheap Chinese iron works fine once you do that.
It does. You can even buy tips with heat sinks on them. I'd prefer to just turn down the temp, myself.
 

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Mechs are the ultimate backup, at least for reliability. They aren't a good newbie device, but you can count on them to work reliably, especially if you have replacement parts (switches and springs) to back them up.
One of the most popular beginner kits ever (not here, but you have to remember that the US is a small part of the global vaping market) was the Kamry K-100. A mech with a carto. Later came with a tank. 2012-2019.

It depends on the mech and the user. I know that there are people out there who can start a fire with an EVOD pen. It would actually be harder to start a fire with a 18350 battery inside a mech.

Speaking of EVOD pens, I wouldn't rely on devices like that for the long term. They work great until they don't. In the end, they're still just a battery, and 10 years hence, if I open up a box of new eGo's/etc, I would expect about 1/2 of them to work. The others would have a shorter life span than what you're used to.

I think that regulated vs mech is not the important argument. The real important argument is built-in vs removable batteries. Regulated or mech, devices with removable batteries will likely be banned. Devices with built-in batteries will eventually fail, even if it's 15 years from now. But flashlight batteries will be available long term.

Another thing you can do with mechs is use different batteries in different sizes and even at different voltages. I'm seeing a bunch of new mechs using smaller flashlight batteries, like 16650 for example. A telescopic mech without stops, like a Kamry, can accomodate anything from a 18350 to a 18650. By using adapters (plastic tubes, silicone rings, etc), you can use smaller diameter batteries as well. There are also common disposable batteries in these size ranges.

But even most regulated mods can use more than one battery size, using adapters. But the voltage needs to be 3.7V
 

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Stand by, I'll add a link to the Nicotine post.

Hey.. I'm back to vaping with nicotine, but right now I'm only vaping 2 - 3 ml per day @ 3mg, so I only need one liter to last me, although two would be a good solid desire for safeties sake..

My husband is the issue here, but his preference is nicotine salts.. His nicotine usage is far higher than mine, meaning if I have him figured out correctly a liter will last him less than 3 years at his current consumption..

What are we thinking about long term storage for salts? I don't need salts but with his higher mg juice he needs it..

So what is long term storage like with salts, is it feasible?

My husband is about to be laid off and I need to shore up on the nicotine..
 

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For the delicate parts I wind a length of heavy gauge SS wire around the tip and leave a quarter inch free to stick off the end of the iron. You can touch any delicate part without overheating its neighbors.

A cheap Chinese iron works fine once you do that.

Back in the 50's I used to watch my father soldering. He had a collection of different sized irons for different jobs. You put them on a stand over the flame. I think he used to wet his finger with his tongue and touch the tip to figure out if it was the right temp.

He was an electrician. He used them every day, and built radios for fun. You can do jobs with low tech tools but it takes skill. Lot easier with a bit of tech.
 

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Hey.. I'm back to vaping with nicotine, but right now I'm only vaping 2 - 3 ml per day @ 3mg, so I only need one liter to last me, although two would be a good solid desire for safeties sake..

My husband is the issue here, but his preference is nicotine salts.. His nicotine usage is far higher than mine, meaning if I have him figured out correctly a liter will last him less than 3 years at his current consumption..

What are we thinking about long term storage for salts? I don't need salts but with his higher mg juice he needs it..

So what is long term storage like with salts, is it feasible?

My husband is about to be laid off and I need to shore up on the nicotine..

That's a good question. We have lots of information about storage of regular nic but not much about salts. I don't know how long salts have even been around. Maybe not long enough for anyone to know about their long term stability.
 

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Back in the 50's I used to watch my father soldering. He had a collection of different sized irons for different jobs. You put them on a stand over the flame. I think he used to wet his finger with his tongue and touch the tip to figure out if it was the right temp.

He was an electrician. He used them every day, and built radios for fun. You can do jobs with low tech tools but it takes skill. Lot easier with a bit of tech.

My Dad owned an Air Conditioning business and a Sheet Metal Shop. When I was a kid I'd go to work with him sometimes in the Summer and there was always a big soldering iron with a diamond shaped tip sitting in a natural gas burner to keep it hot. That one was used for soldering a bead down the seams on HVAC plenums they fabricated.

I've always used a pencil iron or a Weller soldering gun when I needed one. By the time I entered the workforce Faston connectors made repairing a broken wire easy for most repairs. I still carried a 30W pencil iron in my van.
 

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Hey.. I'm back to vaping with nicotine, but right now I'm only vaping 2 - 3 ml per day @ 3mg, so I only need one liter to last me, although two would be a good solid desire for safeties sake..

My husband is the issue here, but his preference is nicotine salts.. His nicotine usage is far higher than mine, meaning if I have him figured out correctly a liter will last him less than 3 years at his current consumption..

What are we thinking about long term storage for salts? I don't need salts but with his higher mg juice he needs it..

So what is long term storage like with salts, is it feasible?

My husband is about to be laid off and I need to shore up on the nicotine..
Know-one knows for sure, it should be just as long or longer, But!
I would just get reg. nic to store and if I needed, turn it into salt nic.
I use a PH meter and citric acid for mine. Ask in the DIY E-Liquid section for complete instructions, good luck!
 

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Salts have been around since about 2009, they just didnt call it "salts" back then.

See Vermont Vapors.
Formerly Vermont Vapor, Inc. - Story

There in the chemistry section, in a very old book, I found a discussion on the odor of nicotine and how it could be neutralized with acid. Armed with this, I proceeded to our local “natural foods” store and, sure enough, they sold bulk citric acid. With that and some ph testing supplies, I was able to bring the e-liquid to a neutral ph. Just for your information, what this did was to create a salt – nicotine citrate – that is one of the primary natural forms of nicotine in the tobacco plant. While it didn't eliminate all the odor and taste, it significantly reduced it and we were left with a usable product.

Vermont Vapors was the nic that Dr Kurt used most often, and often reported about how well it kept in the freezer.
 
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Hey.. I'm back to vaping with nicotine, but right now I'm only vaping 2 - 3 ml per day @ 3mg, so I only need one liter to last me, although two would be a good solid desire for safeties sake..

My husband is the issue here, but his preference is nicotine salts.. His nicotine usage is far higher than mine, meaning if I have him figured out correctly a liter will last him less than 3 years at his current consumption..

What are we thinking about long term storage for salts? I don't need salts but with his higher mg juice he needs it..

So what is long term storage like with salts, is it feasible?

My husband is about to be laid off and I need to shore up on the nicotine..
Hi Opinionated...been a while!
I'm almost certain I read a few months ago that nic salts were actually much more stable than FB. Not sure where I read that, but I think it was one of the nic sites...might've been Chemnovatic?? When I get a minute, I'll see if I can find that again.
 

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Hey.. I'm back to vaping with nicotine, but right now I'm only vaping 2 - 3 ml per day @ 3mg, so I only need one liter to last me, although two would be a good solid desire for safeties sake..

My husband is the issue here, but his preference is nicotine salts.. His nicotine usage is far higher than mine, meaning if I have him figured out correctly a liter will last him less than 3 years at his current consumption..

What are we thinking about long term storage for salts? I don't need salts but with his higher mg juice he needs it..

So what is long term storage like with salts, is it feasible?

My husband is about to be laid off and I need to shore up on the nicotine..
Okay, it didn't take long. It was Chemnovatic:
NicSalt - Nicotine Salts | Salt based nicotine - CHEMNOVATIC
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    Salts have been around since about 2009, they just didnt call it "salts" back then.

    See Vermont Vapors.
    Formerly Vermont Vapor, Inc. - Story



    Vermont Vapors was the nic that Dr Kurt used most often, and often reported about how well it kept in the freezer.
    If it worked once, it could work again.

    "...I was running Vermont Vapor, Inc., as the e-liquid business and Linda ran the equipment end of the business separately. One day, when she was expecting to see a rather large shipment from China she instead got a phone call. The customs agent on the other end wanted to verify that the shipment was e-cigarette components. Thinking on her feet, Linda told them that they were not e-cigarettes, but instead mini heaters and humidifiers that were intended to keep her gerbils from freezing their little noses off during cold Vermont winters. Indeed, she said, if customs didn't release the package soon, she feared tht they would all turn into little furry popsicles. I have no idea if the customs agent believed her, or merely gave in to Linda's superior ingenuity, but she didn't lose the shipment and the "gerbils" (and our customers) were happy."
     

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    I too have read somewhere that nic salts are more chemically stable. Depending on how much nic you need and for how many years, it may still be worth it to buy freebase and transform it yourself, as it appears properly stored nic of any sort is going to do pretty well. So I don't think you are really hosed either way.... Unless you don't feel like converting nic salts which I personally wouldn't although I hear it's really not that hard.

    Anna
     

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    Salts have been around since about 2009, they just didnt call it "salts" back then.

    See Vermont Vapors.
    Formerly Vermont Vapor, Inc. - Story



    Vermont Vapors was the nic that Dr Kurt used most often, and often reported about how well it kept in the freezer.
    Those of you thinking about starting DIY might want to read the recipe page on that site. He divulges all of his commercial recipes, many of which were very successful and sought after..

    Formerly Vermont Vapor, Inc. - Recipes
     
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