The Final Count Down -- Are You Ready?

[Electrodave]

I have a concern that might not be relevant but I think this thread moves so fast, it might overwhelm many folks. I don't know if a separate post that is just for gear and sales/deals as was proposed earlier would help but it is a thought.

Low Budget Shinyitis

 

[Jebbn]

Since I finished prepping and buying things I use a few years ago, I've been putting a bit of money towards vape-related science experiments. I think I've confirmed the importance of keeping nic base cold, and now I'm working on battery aging -- not so much with use, but in storage.

Looking forward to this.
The simple demonstration you did with the nic in the freezer vs room temps did away with a lot of conjecture.

 

[Bronze]

I have a concern that might not be relevant but I think this thread moves so fast, it might overwhelm many folks. I don't know if a separate post that is just for gear and sales/deals as was proposed earlier would help but it is a thought.

You might be right there. Someone who hasn't been vaping long and just heard about the deadline might be better off with more general discussion of stocking up strategy. That's in here along with a load of other stuff. On the other hand it's always been that way. It was that way for me when I started vaping. I read endless pages and learned how to use Search.

Any newer vapers here want to comment?

Myself and SMT started a PM session with one of the new vapers who dropped in yesterday concerned about the deadline. He's two months into his journey and does not feel comfortable knowing all he needs to know before the deadline. So SMT and I are getting him going on gear and building so he's prepared.

I gave further thought about a separate gear thread. My fear is this: Every time a newb asks about gear he gets inundated with people who recommend THEIR favorite piece of gear. I termed it "dogpiling" in an earlier thread. We see it almost every time someone new hops on ECF and asks about an atomizer or a mod or whatever. Poor guy ends up more confused than when he went in. So many people telling him so many different things. The newb hasn't got a chance! So if we start a separate thread dedicated to gear for newbs I'm afraid it will end up being the same thing. Counterproductive. Newbs haven't got years. They have only months.

However, I am convinced SMT and I will have this new guy up to speed in plenty of time working thru PM. I have no doubt. We're off to a nice start. We will have him channeled in and he will progress swiftly with gear that will take him well beyond the deadline. I believe this is the very best approach for newbs...1-3 people working directly with the newb thru PM. It's possible a separate thread could be useful but it would operate more like a dating site. A newb shows up and we match him/her up with 1-3 experienced people (volunteers) and they go off on PM to give him/her their undivided attention. Maybe a lady hops on looking for help and would prefer working with other ladies instead of one of us manslobs. The thread could also be used as a guideline or course of action to get newbs up to speed (not gear recommendations, just action plans) But if it's like all other gear threads we will see dogpiling and make things worse for the newb.

I'm open to more thoughts.

 

[DeloresRose]

Myself and SMT started a PM session with one of the new vapers who dropped in yesterday concerned about the deadline. He's two months into his journey and does not feel comfortable knowing all he needs to know before the deadline. So SMT and I are getting him going on gear and building so he's prepared.

I gave further thought about a separate gear thread. My fear is this: Every time a newb asks about gear he gets inundated with people who recommend THEIR favorite piece of gear. I termed it "dogpiling" in an earlier thread. We see it almost every time someone new hops on ECF and asks about an atomizer or a mod or whatever. Poor guy ends up more confused than when he went in. So many people telling him so many different things. The newb hasn't got a chance! So if we start a separate thread dedicated to gear for newbs I'm afraid it will end up being the same thing. Counterproductive. Newbs haven't got years. They have only months.

However, I am convinced SMT and I will have this new guy up to speed in plenty of time working thru PM. I have no doubt. We're off to a nice start. We will have him channeled in and he will progress swiftly with gear that will take him well beyond the deadline. I believe this is the very best approach for newbs...1-3 people working directly with the newb thru PM. It's possible a separate thread could be useful but it would operate more like a dating site. A newb shows up and we match him/her up with 1-3 experience people (volunteers) and they go off on PM to give him/her their undivided attention. Maybe a lady hops on looking for help and would prefer working with other ladies instead of one of us manslobs. The thread could also be used as a guideline or course of action to get newbs up to speed (not gear recommendations, just action plans) But if it's like all other gear threads we will see dogpiling and make things worse for the newb.

I'm open to more thoughts.

If anything, this deserves its own thread. More experienced vapers could post if they are willing to assist, and what areas of knowledge they have strengths in. Newer folks could select a person or three who would have the info they seek.

 

[Bronze]

If anything, this deserves its own thread. More experienced vapers could post if they are willing to assist, and what areas of knowledge they have strengths in. Newer folks could select a person or three who would have the info they seek.

Every newb is different. They are at different stages of their journey, they have different comfort levels, different skill sets, different budgets, on and on. Customized help for each newb is important. And some vapers just feel more comfortable working with some over others.

 

[Blitzdonlife]

Yep me too it's an iconic device imo....Ignore the Ephro Revel the tank from hell

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An ego case, good buy.

 

[Bronze]

Every newb is different. They are at different stages of their journey, they have different comfort levels, different skill sets, different budgets, on and on. Customized help for each newb is important. And some vapers just feel more comfortable working with some over others.

This differs quite a bit versus e-liquid. There are four ingredients in juice. That is much more manageable than gear. And Rossum and others have the juice component nailed down with sourcing, storage, required supplies, etc..

 

[charlie1465]

An ego case, good buy.

No...it's the itaste svd case by Innokin. Came with the mod...or am I missing something

 

[nala's mom]

NINE
That's the number of months we have left until the new PMTA deadline.

Personally, I've been ready for a bit over three years. This thread is mostly intended for people who realize they aren't ready yet but would like help getting there, who aren't willing or able to wade though 23,000+ posts in the Deeming Regulations thread or 24,000+ in the Stocking Up thread.

 

[mcduffy]

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[nala's mom]

NINE
That's the number of months we have left until the new PMTA deadline.

Personally, I've been ready for a bit over three years. This thread is mostly intended for people who realize they aren't ready yet but would like help getting there, who aren't willing or able to wade though 23,000+ posts in the Deeming Regulations thread or 24,000+ in the Stocking Up thread.

I've had the understanding that the juice is only good for about a year

 

[JCinFLA]

They have some good prices there. Not sure I understand what they are doing though. They have Nautilus coils at prices from $12 down to $8.60. The $12 one was their number 1 seller.

I called and asked about that. I was told: (1) They have some of the same exact items from different suppliers (ie. the Nauti coils). (2) They charge them (ejuices.com) varying prices for them. (3) Also, many items are stored at, and shipped from, different warehouses...so the built-in shipping cost from them will affect the website prices, too.

Maybe people put the various priced ones in their cart...and then found free S/H for some, but not for others? IDK.

 

[Bronze]

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[rosesense]

I've had the understanding that the juice is only good for about a year

Everyone has a different opinion about this but I have had some 5 years old that were fine. OTOH, I found some bottles of old flavorings (not mixed juice) and stuff settled at the bottom as in the caramel one etc. so I tossed them.

 

[Blitzdonlife]

Myself and SMT started a PM session with one of the new vapers who dropped in yesterday concerned about the deadline. He's two months into his journey and does not feel comfortable knowing all he needs to know before the deadline. So SMT and I are getting him going on gear and building so he's prepared.

I gave further thought about a separate gear thread. My fear is this: Every time a newb asks about gear he gets inundated with people who recommend THEIR favorite piece of gear. I termed it "dogpiling" in an earlier thread. We see it almost every time someone new hops on ECF and asks about an atomizer or a mod or whatever. Poor guy ends up more confused than when he went in. So many people telling him so many different things. The newb hasn't got a chance! So if we start a separate thread dedicated to gear for newbs I'm afraid it will end up being the same thing. Counterproductive. Newbs haven't got years. They have only months.

However, I am convinced SMT and I will have this new guy up to speed in plenty of time working thru PM. I have no doubt. We're off to a nice start. We will have him channeled in and he will progress swiftly with gear that will take him well beyond the deadline. I believe this is the very best approach for newbs...1-3 people working directly with the newb thru PM. It's possible a separate thread could be useful but it would operate more like a dating site. A newb shows up and we match him/her up with 1-3 experienced people (volunteers) and they go off on PM to give him/her their undivided attention. Maybe a lady hops on looking for help and would prefer working with other ladies instead of one of us manslobs. The thread could also be used as a guideline or course of action to get newbs up to speed (not gear recommendations, just action plans) But if it's like all other gear threads we will see dogpiling and make things worse for the newb.

I'm open to more thoughts.

In some traditions (ancient to modern) the concept of the mentor/student relationship is considered to be very important. My experience is that this is true.

I would say go for it.

If you are worried about off-topic derailment, then choose a format that guides your target audience to either embrace what you are teaching, or direct them where you think the most good can be achieved for them.

With everything that is going on, local pairings might provide the additional benefit of a support stucture that will not collapse when online forums (possibly) get banned. Not sure if that will hqppen, but it is possible.

All of this is of course IMHO.

 

[Blitzdonlife]

No...it's the itaste svd case by Innokin. Came with the mod...or am I missing something

Ha, I rocked that case for years. Think I got it from madvapes.

 

[Baditude]

I've had the understanding that the juice is only good for about a year

Commercial e-liquids generally have an expiration date 2 years past their birth or conception date. Birthdate or expiration date is generally on the bottle's label somewhere.

Nicotine and some flavors tend to darken when exposed to air (oxidation) and over time which is normal. Oxidized nicotine may lose some of its potency, but is not harmful to vape.

It doesn't hurt to give your e-liquids a good visual inspection from time to time. If the mix separates into layers or has suspended particles in it, I would question its quality.

 

[DeloresRose]

I've had the understanding that the juice is only good for about a year

That’s why we’re all talking about diy, nic calculators, sources and storage. Because although I’ve had juice last a few years, it’s certainly not going to last the rest of my life. It looks pretty likely that juice will be one of the first things we won’t be able to buy.

You have nine months to decide how you’re going to deal with that.

Are you going to hope, at least, you can buy non flavored, or tobacco flavors, possibly at very low nic levels?

Are you going to pay for the filled pods?

Quit vaping?

For me those are not plausible solutions. Juice is as easy to make as a cocktail. Many of us have been solely reliant upon what we can make for some years. I know I have. And what I make is as good or better than any I’ve bought.


If you are concerned about availability in the future, read through the DIY section and think about if you want to give it a try. I’d suggest, if you do, that you could start with small amounts of ingredients just to see how it goes, and you’d still have time to stock up if it works for you. And we’re all ready to help if you need it.

 

[Rossum]

It's very prudent to have a bit more than you think you need.

Indeed. I decided a long time ago that I'd rather have too much (and have some left when I croak) than to wake up some morning, old and feeble, having run out, and wishing I had bought more back when it was cheap and readily available.

I took an unopened bubble wrapped liter bottle of nic out of the freezer a few months ago. I walked into the kitchen and set it down on a glass table top with a little more force than intended. Not slammed down by any means, but still a bit harder than I meant to. The whole bottom inch of the bottle cracked off.

I like smallish bottles. All my 100 mg base is in 120s, and my stronger stuff is in 60s. That way if I do break one (which hasn't happened yet), I don't lose too much.

 

[Letitia]

Some commercial juices are good for years, others just a few months. If I didn't diy my juice I'd be looking for one shots similar to my favorites. If you use a quality juice vendor the juices will probably last up to 4 years if stored properly.