Damn...your gonna be on a .... lab watch list ordering all that. Your getting the small stuff right? Do they have the Duran type?
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Nah all they sell is quartz.
Wohoo
just got home and there is a huge box setting in my garage. Holy crap.... No wonder it cost so much to ship. They have 2 little 4 foot tubes of glass shrink wrapped to a 5 foot long wooden 2x4, then bubble wrapped, then wrapped in fluffy paper, then in a really sturdy cardboard box. You could run over this with a tank and not break these tubes. Pretty impressive packaging. Now I need some good high temp plastic tubing for feeding the liquid.
Wohoo
just got home and there is a huge box setting in my garage. Holy crap.... No wonder it cost so much to ship. They have 2 little 4 foot tubes of glass shrink wrapped to a 5 foot long wooden 2x4, then bubble wrapped, then wrapped in fluffy paper, then in a really sturdy cardboard box. You could run over this with a tank and not break these tubes. Pretty impressive packaging. Now I need some good high temp plastic tubing for feeding the liquid.
Ha...yeah mine came wrapped individually in styrofoam in a 6" box wrapped in styrofoam in a 2 ft square box. I though damn they sent me a motherload and here it was only a few pieces as big as my finger.
Hey C., I have some Teflon and silicone tubing and a few other necessities going out tomorrow for ya that might do the trick.
Hey C., I have some Teflon and silicone tubing and a few other necessities going out tomorrow for ya that might do the trick.
Ah thanks nico your way to kind, I really appreciate that. Wish I would have seen this earlier, just ordered silicone tubing and glass tubing cutter from Mcmaster-Carr.
Was tempted to go for some of this:
Zirconia Adhesive This paste forms a hard surface and resists rapid temperature changes, molten metals, and most chemicals. Bonds ceramic, glass, metals, and graphite. It also serves as a corrosion-resistant coating for graphite, ceramic, and thermocouples.
But $77 is a bit to steep for trials, temperature range is 4000 F.
Was tempted to go for some of this:
Zirconia Adhesive This paste forms a hard surface and resists rapid temperature changes, molten metals, and most chemicals. Bonds ceramic, glass, metals, and graphite. It also serves as a corrosion-resistant coating for graphite, ceramic, and thermocouples.
But $77 is a bit to steep for trials, temperature range is 4000 F.
No big deal C...just a bunch of junk to play with really. One can never have enough junk. ...well (as he looks around the room 
) maybe thats not entirely true!
And dont worry...there is no way I could have topped your package address...so I didnt even try. lol
The only thing that bothers me with adhesives and such is the plasticizers and carriers they use and wont tell you what it is because of trade secrets.
Oh, I email the guy that sent the Duran samples and he said they are in fact annealed so thats good. You got a few pieces coming but probably too big for what your doing...wish I had more to give you. Im going to see if he has smaller OD stuff and get a quote on some more. What size are you looking for?
...well (as he looks around the room ) maybe thats not entirely true!And dont worry...there is no way I could have topped your package address...so I didnt even try. lol
The only thing that bothers me with adhesives and such is the plasticizers and carriers they use and wont tell you what it is because of trade secrets.
Oh, I email the guy that sent the Duran samples and he said they are in fact annealed so thats good. You got a few pieces coming but probably too big for what your doing...wish I had more to give you. Im going to see if he has smaller OD stuff and get a quote on some more. What size are you looking for?
The smaller the ID the better. Im going a little different route than others. My plan is to run the fluid through the center of the tubing with the coil surrounding the center tube. The outside of the coil will be enclosed/sandwiched with a thicker wall tubing and sealed to the primary delivery tube at each end (essentially enclosing the coil). Hopefully this will keep the heat in the area I want it and allow a clear path through the center tube to allow easy cleaning. I just need to get the coil wound properly so that heating is more gradual rather than instant pop and boil causing the hot liquid to fly out the end of the tube like a shotgun.
Need some of that Aerogel to pack around the outside to deflect the heat back and insulated the outside. Its not expensive unless you wand whole blocks of it. What about sticking a few strands of silica wicking (on the way) to slow the juice down? Can a 555 timer be used to pulse the coil or cant it take the voltage?
Wicking may be a possibility but I would like the tube to be a clear path so it can be poked or swabbed clean. The liquid feed needs to be reletively constant and matched fairly well to the power the nichrome wire is producing.
Pulse you say?
This is where power control comes in to play my brother.
More to come on that in the Wizard thread when I get all my ducks lined up.
Pulse you say?
This is where power control comes in to play my brother.
More to come on that in the Wizard thread when I get all my ducks lined up.
You guys are above and beyond anything I could hope to have the time/knowledge to do, but kind of disappointed I can't help push the progression of a nicely juice fed atty. You should start a R&D site where you accept donations and give the donators trail pieces or dibs on the first production models
Wicking may be a possibility but I would like the tube to be a clear path so it can be poked or swabbed clean. The liquid feed needs to be reletively constant and matched fairly well to the power the nichrome wire is producing.
Pulse you say?
This is where power control comes in to play my brother.
More to come on that in the Wizard thread when I get all my ducks lined up.
I see...maybe a clip on cone shape over the top pointed down the tube so any splatter hits the cone and drips back down in...I dunno...get all yer duckies out of the tub and get on it.
You guys are above and beyond anything I could hope to have the time/knowledge to do, but kind of disappointed I can't help push the progression of a nicely juice fed atty. You should start a R&D site where you accept donations and give the donators trail pieces or dibs on the first production models
Then we gotta pay taxes
but we DO take American Express!
Thank you for the kind comments Krythis. We're just a couple guys trying our best to make fools of ourselves. If I actually knew what I was doing I would do it in total secrecy.
i tried to give nico one of my carts, but he refused and then ran away screaming
Thank you for the kind comments Krythis. We're just a couple guys trying our best to make fools of ourselves. If I actually knew what I was doing I would do it in total secrecy.
Based upon my years of academic research:
"If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be research."
No way joker...I know where they have been...LOL
OK, here is the very quick drawing of the concept anyway...but I have not tried drilling holes in the new tubing and heating it to see how it holds up. I picked up the tube I made in the video and was fiddling with it and it snapped right at one of the holes...as expected anyway.
I did find that the teflon tubing was too small in that it took too much suction to draw the fluid up easily so I changed that to a bigger silicone tube. I am working on a tiny ball check valve for the fluid tube too to keep if from draining back down.
I dont know...I have been getting VERY frustrated working on this stuff as my hands are getting very shaky lately and keep dropping shyt all the time. I am probably the only two handed solderer on the planet. But anyhootchy...we will see.....
Critics are welcome also.
OK, here is the very quick drawing of the concept anyway...but I have not tried drilling holes in the new tubing and heating it to see how it holds up. I picked up the tube I made in the video and was fiddling with it and it snapped right at one of the holes...as expected anyway.
I did find that the teflon tubing was too small in that it took too much suction to draw the fluid up easily so I changed that to a bigger silicone tube. I am working on a tiny ball check valve for the fluid tube too to keep if from draining back down.
I dont know...I have been getting VERY frustrated working on this stuff as my hands are getting very shaky lately and keep dropping shyt all the time. I am probably the only two handed solderer on the planet.
But anyhootchy...we will see.....Critics are welcome also.
Nice drawing nico. I like the fuse holder mount. Have you tryed using a standard fuse for your glass tubing? If you heat them with a torch you can pull the metal ends right off. You could even leave on end on there and solder one side of your coil to it. Just a thought.
Why would you care if the liquid flows back down the tube? Wouldn't you want it to go back down there if there is to much in the atty?
Why would you care if the liquid flows back down the tube? Wouldn't you want it to go back down there if there is to much in the atty?
Could I guess...I was just trying to make as much solder free as possible for easy replacement of any components.
If you let the fluid drain back down it takes a few pulls to get it back up and delivering...check valve keeps it there and ready...I hope.
If you let the fluid drain back down it takes a few pulls to get it back up and delivering...check valve keeps it there and ready...I hope.
I see. Just wondering if it would get hard to draw that fluid out if the bottle has no way to replace the used fluid with air.
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