The Flavor Apprentice Flavoring Thread

[glassmanoak]

I couldn't wait. Hibiscus was present at the recommended level, but, wanting a "knock your sox off" flavor, I increased to 1:8, or 12%. I just don't think I will be able to replicate Zinger, so I will have to stay with MBV for a few flavors. I am enjoying all of them, especially the hibiscus, rose, and violet. I'm going to try dripping some of them with the tea, and see what is best. I think I am going to prefer 1:8 for all flavors. Even the Juicy Fruit, was present at .5:8, but more enjoyable at 1:8.

There are times when I want delicacy, and times when I prefer something that will knock my sox off.

Increasing the percentage of flavoring SOMETIMES decreases the taste. ........Thanks, Hoosier!

 

[3mg Meniere]

Increasing the percentage of flavoring SOMETIMES decreases the taste. ........Thanks, Hoosier!

And too much flavoring often distorts the flavor until it doesn't resemble what the name says.

 

[Olympus Mons]

Are you using them as single flavor mixes or in a mix of flavors?Some tfa flavors work well as stand alone and some require a mix, A top and bottom flavor note

I've got about a dozen flavors, trying them each alone first at low-end percentages. Will try mixing with whatever ones I don't care for as stand-alones, sounds like a plan, thanks.

 

[mooshi]

TFA Green Tea was not what I expected. It tastes more like the Arizona green tea than say, a matcha green tea. A little disappointed.

I'm sure it'd taste good mixed with some fruit flavors, though - maybe mango or peach.

 

[Myk]

TFA Key Lime - Not what I expected, tastes like Life Savors candy, too artificial. Taste when vaped is better than the smell, though. May be better in a mix. Haven't tried Pineapple yet but it has that same artificial candy smell in the bottle.

Is it just me, or do many of these fruit flavors seem to have this candy chemical taste? I use percentages always on the low end or lower than the lowest.

Same with flavors like coffee, tobacco, hazelnut, coconut - the "non fruit" flavors I call them, they all seem to have some underlying chemical-taste similarity, yet different than the fruit ones. I was hoping for flavors a little more distinct.

How long are you aging them?
A lot of the fruit flavors I've tried as stand alones and mixes had a chemical smell and taste to them until they sat for 3 weeks (after an hour in the ultrasonic).

Do you have experience being able to pick the fruits of the flavors you think are too artificial? My strawberries, raspberries and plums taste like artificial flavorings. Dehydrated you'd swear my strawberries and raspberries were candy except for the seeds. People are always asking if I add something to my apple cider. I'm wondering if stores selling such crap now-a-days has people not knowing what real fruit tastes like.

 

[Moogle]

Dehydrated you'd swear my strawberries and raspberries were candy except for the seeds. People are always asking if I add something to my apple cider. I'm wondering if stores selling such crap now-a-days has people not knowing what real fruit tastes like.

I grew up on a small farm and we had a huge garden. I've never tasted peas that good again. Amazing taste and texture.

 

[glassmanoak]

Bumpity Bump..

Absinthe: 10%
Almond Amaretto: 5-10%, 5/5
Apple: 10-15%, 4.5/5
Banana Cream 10%-15%
Banana Nut Bread: 5-7% (Great for mixing)
Bavarian Cream 5%-15%
Belgium Waffle 8-!2% 4/5
Bittersweet (Choc): 10-15%, 4/5
Black Cherry: 5-15%, 5/5
Black Honey tobacco: 3-5%
Blackberry: 6%
Black Sesame 1/10% (per eikon) that's .1 of a percent
Black Tea 2.5-12% 3/5 needs a little steeping
Blueberry: 15%
Blueberry Extra: 6/5 10-13%
Boysenberry: 5/5 ~1% (a dash of EM & Citric make it sing)
Brown Sugar 15-20%
Bubblegum: 10%>
Butterscotch: 12%
Caramel: 10-15%, 5/5
Caramel Candy: 15-20%, 5/5
Caramel Cappuccino: 1 drop in 10ml base 4/5
Chai Tea: 10% 5/5 Very Unique, a must try
Cheesecake: 3%-15%, 2/5
Cherry Blossom; 15%
Chocolate: 10-15%, 5/5
Chocolate Mint: 10% (more chocolate than mint)
Cinnamon: 0.25% (Just Sweet Cinnamon)
Cinnamon Red Hots: 5-15%, 5/5
Cinnamon Spice: 0.5% Okay Starting Point
Cinnamon Sugar Cookie: 5%-15%
Clove: 2-3%
Coconut Extra: ~10%, 5/5
Cotton Candy: 10-20%, 5/5
DK Tab 555: 2%-5%
Dragon Fruit: 5-12%
Double Chocolate (Clear) 10-12% 4/5
Dulce de Leche: <10%> - overpowering at 20% - good for combining
Earl Grey: 3% (This is a strong Tea)
Flue Cured Tobacco: 8-15% 5/5
French Vanilla: 10% (For me: Gets chemical/perfume tones over 5%)
Graham Cracker: 10-15%, 5/5 - This flavor recommended for combining with others.
Grape: 12%
Grape Jolly Rancher: 8% - 10% 6/5
Green Apple: 12-20%
Green Tea: 10-15% 4/5
Hawaiian Punch 12% 5/5
Hazelnut 16% 5/5
Hazelnut Praline: 5%, 2/5
Hibiscus 1% (Start at 0.5%)
Holiday Spice 1-2% (start at 0.5%)
Honey: 1-5% (Very present at 5%)
Honeydew Melon: 5-10%
Honeysuckle: 10- 15% - very good but FYI will crack a tank
Horchata: 5%, 5/5
Irish Cream: 10 - 12%
Juicy Peach 5%- 17%
Key Lime Pie 12%
Kona Coffee: 1drop/10ml, 4/5
Lemon/Lime 5% 4/5
Licorice 5/5 10% needs a few weeks to steep
Lime (oil-based): 1-5%, 4/5
Lychee:2-7%
M-type Tobacco- 1% for starters... It requires a loooong steep!
Malted Milk: 5% (best mixed with other others)
Mango: 13%
Marischino Cherry: 5%, 4/5
Menthol Liquid (PG): 1-5%
Milk Chocolate: 20%, 4/5
Mint Candy: 12%, 4.5/5
Mt. Dew 10%-20%
Nectarine: 11% (Spot On)
Orange Cream: 5-10% 5/5 (To note, I am using all vg. So, I use it at higher %'s)
Papaya: 10% 5-5 (Very Fragrant)
Peach (not juicy) 12-15%
Peach (juicy): 5-7% 5/5
Peanut Butter: 10-15%, 5/5
Pear: 10-15%, 4.5/5
Peppermint: 15%
Pie Crust 0.5%-12% 2/5 Adjusted minimum from 2% to 0.5%
Pineapple: 15% 4.5/5 ( authentic flavor, I used 5% EM to sweeten)
Pizza: ~5%, 5/5
Plum: 5-10%, 4/5
Pomegranate: 7.5%-14%
Popcorn: 13%-15%
Raisin: 0.5-3% (Powerful) I dilute mine before mixing 1:3
Raspberry:5-10%
Red Bull: 10%
Ripe Banana: 8-12% (3-5% EM to make it a good stand alone flavor)
RY4 Double- 5-15%
RY4 Asian: 10-15%
Smooth 1 drops per 10 ml
Spearmint: <5% Very strong start small
Strawberry: 3%-15%
Strawberry Kiwi 20% 1/5
Strawberries & Cream: 10-12% (good on its own, better with 3-5% EM)
Sweet Cream: 5-10%, 4/5 - This flavor recommended for combining with others.
Sweet Tart: 10%, 5/5 - Tastes more like Smarties
Tangerine (oil-based): 1-5%, 5/5
Tiramisu 2%-15% Over 5% tastes like burned coffee
Tobacco Blend Alcohol: 0.5-2.5%
Toasted Marshmallow: 10-15%
Toasted Almond: 15%
Tobacco Absolute (TA): <1%
Tutti Frutti: 10-15%, 4.5/5 (closer to 15% the more VG I use)
Vanilla Bean Ice Cream: 4-8%, 4/5 (excellent mixer)
Vanilla Bourbon: 10-15%, 4.5/5
Vanilla Cupcake: 20%
Vanilla Swirl: 10%
Violet Candy: 10 - 12% (one of my favorite vapes)
Waffle: 20%, 5/5
Watermelon: 15% 4/5
Whipped Cream 3% to 14% 3/5
White Chocolate: 10% (note: mine had sugar as ingredient)
Wintergreen: 20%, 5/5
PA Sucralose Sweetener: 2%+, 4.5/5

 

[levisdaddy]

Thank you for the list bump GMO!!
I seem to have been mixing at too strong a ratio (~15%) with poor results.
Id like to see the percentages for these 3 flavors:
Cantaloupe
Champagne
Sweet Cream

and I know its been covered, and I do not have EM at the moment, what should I add to bring my fruit flavors to fruition (pun intended). i have sweetener, sour and lemon juice.
Thank you, mixing wouldnt be possible for me with out all your helps and supports

 

[glassmanoak]

Thank you for the list bump GMO!!
I seem to have been mixing at too strong a ratio (~15%) with poor results.
Id like to see the percentages for these 3 flavors:
Cantaloupe
Champagne
Sweet Cream

and I know its been covered, and I do not have EM at the moment, what should I add to bring my fruit flavors to fruition (pun intended). i have sweetener, sour and lemon juice.
Thank you, mixing wouldnt be possible for me with out all your helps and supports

For fruit flavors, 1 drop per 5ml or 10ml is recommended. Sweetener is just a personal preference, but usually 1 drop per 5ml.

Cantaloupe I wouldn't try on a bet, but I've used champagne at 5% with good results. Sweet Cream I've heard some people don't like at all. There are many dairy-typw flavors out there.. Bavarian Cream and Whipped Cream come to mind.
Good Luck and take it slow and easy.

 

[MsComptrtchr]

There's a "certain" expensive juice vendor out there supposedly coming out with a cantaloupe champagne flavor - maybe you can replicate it before it even comes out?

 

[levisdaddy]

i do love cantaloupe, and have tried a couple good ones, and a couple bad ones.

so to clarify, if i dont have EM i should just use the sucrose sweetener? not sour or lemon?

 

[glassmanoak]

i do love cantaloupe, and have tried a couple good ones, and a couple bad ones.

so to clarify, if i dont have EM i should just use the sucrose sweetener? not sour or lemon?

yes, use sweetener if you don't like the test batch. I wouldn't add sweetener at the beginning. Also, I would wait a few days before adding 1 drop of Real Lemon per 10ml. Add the lemon if your trial sample still tastes raw or unfinished, but only after a few days of steeping... never from the git go or until you are really familiar with the flavorings you have.

IMO, EM is used to slightly sweeten a mix, but it also dulls or mutes the flavors. Some trials need this but most don't. Personally, I never use it.
It can turn a bright, vesty mixture into a muddled mess.... just because you wanted a touch of sweetness. It's ok in some Tobacco mixes, IMO, but not in most of what I personally make.

 

[hubseven]

Are you using them as single flavor mixes or in a mix of flavors?Some tfa flavors work well as stand alone and some require a mix, A top and bottom flavor note

What are top and bottom notes? Examples? Thanks.

 

[glassmanoak]

What are top and bottom notes? Examples? Thanks.

I'm going to be a bit presumptuous and answer this question, in the interest of those reading this thread during the day.

Top note is the predominant flavor, and bottom note is the underlying flavor. For example you can make a mixture of Caramel Cappuccino at 0.5% and add Whipping Cream at 2% and CC would be the top note and WC the bottom note... nothing to do with percentages, just taste.
Sorry to be a hijacker

 

[levisdaddy]

There's a "certain" expensive juice vendor out there supposedly coming out with a cantaloupe champagne flavor - maybe you can replicate it before it even comes out?

sounds like something id dig!! i had a lemon champagne that i really enjoyed and was hoping in time to replicate!
I recognize you from the tucson vapers page! on which i go by Adam H. Maybe at the next vape meet we can kick it!

yes, use sweetener if you don't like the test batch. I wouldn't add sweetener at the beginning. Also, I would wait a few days before adding 1 drop of Real Lemon per 10ml. Add the lemon if your trial sample still tastes raw or unfinished, but only after a few days of steeping... never from the git go or until you are really familiar with the flavorings you have.

IMO, EM is used to slightly sweeten a mix, but it also dulls or mutes the flavors. Some trials need this but most don't. Personally, I never use it.
It can turn a bright, vesty mixture into a muddled mess.... just because you wanted a touch of sweetness. It's ok in some Tobacco mixes, IMO, but not in most of what I personally make.

good deal, and thanks again GMO, i should just get your number for late night speed dial !!
heres my plan, gonna drip all the flavors today(tonight) and add a drop of sweetener to those that need it, and thin out the concentrations that i made too strong with a ml of PG, in 2-3 days after its blended a bit, ill start with a drop or 1/2 drop of lemon juice if needed.

 

[Jojobo]

Hi guys, I have been doing simple DIY for two years now. Just basic recipes and now I have some time to get into some more in depth experimenting.
I just got tobacco absolute and wondering how everyone is working with it....the stuff is thick like vaseline...yikes!

 

[gtbb]

Hi JoJo! Do you and Yankee vape mostly 100%vg. And would you care to share some of those. I never hard much luck with 100%vg while diy.

 

[Hoosier]

I just got tobacco absolute and wondering how everyone is working with it....the stuff is thick like vaseline...yikes!

I dilute it down to 10% in PGA to make a flavoring out of it. Usually 3ml of TA and 27ml of PGA, shake and use sparingly.

 

[glassmanoak]

I bought Tobacco Absolute from TRS Vapes. They say it is TFA Tobacco Absolute diluted 50% with 190 proof PGA. It is very dark brown in color.

 

[MsComptrtchr]

sounds like something id dig!! i had a lemon champagne that i really enjoyed and was hoping in time to replicate!
I recognize you from the tucson vapers page! on which i go by Adam H. Maybe at the next vape meet we can kick it!

Kewl! I can't believe how many vapers are in Tucson. I'll be at the August meet. I was the Five Pawns chick at the last two. See you there!