The Flavor Apprentice Flavoring Thread
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I might just start using more pg to begin with. I used to make everything about 50/50 but slowly switched to about 70/30.
LB'sHahaha! Apparently, we've got a lot more in common than we ever thought, bro. Stumpy, Derringer, wood mods, brass and copper, DIY everything!Stabilized wood is nice, because it can take a little more abuse than most traditional woods. Careful with Mahogany, though... it isn't quite as strong as oak. If you have a milling machine or access to any decent wood working tools (or can figure out how to get by with redneck methods
), try Lacewood. It is a really dense wood that has a strange composition. It machines almost like plastic. Then, once you sand and polish the outside, it has a really cool grain pattern to it. I'm definitely planning on making at least one mod with it.
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That Strawberry Custard looks pretty good! I'll have to look and see what I have for CAP flavors, who knows, I may get lucky and be able to make a small batch without having to order anything!
Definitely liking that Abaddon mod... maybe I'll check and see if I can find one on the cheap and do a little modding, myself! Thanks, man!
Lacewood. Just sayin'. 
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Good to know.
It really is a beautiful wood, also has a lot of potential if properly handled. I made a keepsake box as an anniversary present for my Bride. The sides, front, back, and bottom are all mahogany, and the top is lacewood. There are no nails or screws in it. I pinned the whole thing together with birch dowels, including the hinge. Then, coated the entire thing with several coats of antique wax. And, as previously stated, made the whole thing with a hand saw and a dremel.
I've read +/- 100 pages of this thread -- some from the beginning and some from the end. There's so much great information! It looks as though many folks mix TFA at pretty high flavor percentages. Is that right? My concern (as was the case with a couple of other folks, a few pages back) is that with a .6ohm coil, I'm finding highly flavored juice to be a bit much. Is there any reason I couldn't just cut back each flavor by, say, 25%? Shouldn't be, but I'm pretty new to DIY, so I figured it'd be best to ask the experts.
There's no reason you can't scale back the flavoring if it's too much for you. I use .5 ohm stainless coils and still mix at 20-30% flavor but if it's too much then definitely scale back. If you scale all the flavors back the same percentage then I would think that it would still taste good to you.
I've read +/- 100 pages of this thread -- some from the beginning and some from the end. There's so much great information! It looks as though many folks mix TFA at pretty high flavor percentages. Is that right? My concern (as was the case with a couple of other folks, a few pages back) is that with a .6ohm coil, I'm finding highly flavored juice to be a bit much. Is there any reason I couldn't just cut back each flavor by, say, 25%? Shouldn't be, but I'm pretty new to DIY, so I figured it'd be best to ask the experts.
There's no problem whatsoever with dialing back the percentages, but here's a thought. Mix all of the flavors together as a base. Then instead of using 20-30% base in the total juice, use 10-15%. I mix my flavors together like that, then just add the base to the VG and Nic when I need a new batch.
I've read +/- 100 pages of this thread -- some from the beginning and some from the end. There's so much great information! It looks as though many folks mix TFA at pretty high flavor percentages. Is that right? My concern (as was the case with a couple of other folks, a few pages back) is that with a .6ohm coil, I'm finding highly flavored juice to be a bit much. Is there any reason I couldn't just cut back each flavor by, say, 25%? Shouldn't be, but I'm pretty new to DIY, so I figured it'd be best to ask the experts.
I generally use around 10% total flavoring with TFA. Some people stick with around 5% and some go to 20%. Everyone is different. Flavorings are different too. With NN I never went over 5%. I got some TFA Ginger Ale and I had to go up to 12% to get good flavor. Banana Nut Bread and Crème De Menthe I use around 5%. Plus whatever other flavors I added.
Another thing. Some folks use high % in order to avoid the need to steep. If you use lower % you might need to steep longer.
I tried some of my grandson's store bought juice and the flavor was way too intense for me. But some people like it that way.
So there's no simple answer. You just have to experiment.
There's no problem whatsoever with dialing back the percentages, but here's a thought. Mix all of the flavors together as a base. Then instead of using 20-30% base in the total juice, use 10-15%. I mix my flavors together like that, then just add the base to the VG and Nic when I need a new batch.
If you do it that way does it reduce the steeping time?
Most of my juices are shake-n-vape... the only ones I've had to steep are the custards. Unfortunately, I don't have enough of the required flavorings to batch mix the custard flavors at this point. I'll place an order soon and see how it goes, but I'd imagine that it would reduce the steep time for those. In theory, the flavors will get their mingling done, then just a good blend with the nic/VG mixture should make it ready to vape.
Good idea! Thanks!There's no problem whatsoever with dialing back the percentages, but here's a thought. Mix all of the flavors together as a base. Then instead of using 20-30% base in the total juice, use 10-15%. I mix my flavors together like that, then just add the base to the VG and Nic when I need a new batch.
No problem... it makes mixing a new batch go very quickly. I usually mix either 30mL or 6oz batches of completed juice, but mix my base flavors in pint sized Mason jars. A pint of base can last a really long time, so you don't have to mix your bases all that often.
Hi LittleBird,
As hittman, englishmick and Kaezziel have said, different people choose to mix at higher flavor percentages for different reasons:
-because our taste buds are shot, or just not very sensitive, and we need more flavor to taste it
-because we want to avoid, or reduce, "steep" (man I hate that term) time
-because that is what the recipe calls for
-because that's the way (insert name here) has always done it/taught me to do it
-insert your reason here
I think every/almost every one of those has applied to me at one time or another and one or two still do.
But the best advise I got, and finally started following, was to taste each flavor on it's own and get a basic understanding of how it works best for you.
Just because whatever "majority" says they like it at one percentage, doesn't mean that your palate may not actually find it tastes best at some other percentage that may be lower or higher, sometimes a lot lower or higher. Also, there is truth that over-flavoring can actually cause the taste to weaken, or altogether disappear. I don't know if this is varies from user to user, the way the "sweet spot" for flavor and strength do, but I would imagine so.
I most recently mentioned a "flavor chart" that I use, back on page 665 of this thread (msg. #13297) which is designed by (and more for "high flavor" mixers), and then my adaptation on page 666 (msg. #13303) which works for others at lower percentages.
I would recommend creating these "mixed flavor" bases for recipes you have already tried and are happy with.
Thanks! I saw your chart on p666 when I was reading the thread, and had already stickied it. Looks like a good way to approach things.
So... I finally found my nic sale! MFS father's day sale...
And now I'm broke!
Just dropped a c note on storage bottles (1 1L, 3 250ml, & 2 125ml amber w/ screw caps) and 2 liters of 100mg VG nic.
But on the bright side, I'll be happily rolling in juice for a very long time.
Now.... to invent a wildly awesome ADV... I'm thinking pizza flavored. Nope, I'm thinking dinner.
And now I'm broke!
Just dropped a c note on storage bottles (1 1L, 3 250ml, & 2 125ml amber w/ screw caps) and 2 liters of 100mg VG nic.
But on the bright side, I'll be happily rolling in juice for a very long time.
Now.... to invent a wildly awesome ADV... I'm thinking pizza flavored. Nope, I'm thinking dinner.
I meant to get in on that but forgot about it.
So I just made Captain Crunch V7... first he said it was too milky, so I dropped the cream and upped the crunch. That made it "too berry-y" like crunch berries, not original captain. So I dropped the crunch halfway back. We're driving to a wedding tomorrow so he'll probably finish the bottle of v6 on the way and be able to start giving feedback by the time we get back on Sunday. I'm basically trying to clone something I've only vaped twice but using somebody else's taste buds.
The really not fair part? Totally haven't had time to make anything for me! I'll be vaping dreg bottles to clear space out of my purse till at least next week. He better be glad I love him!
The really not fair part? Totally haven't had time to make anything for me! I'll be vaping dreg bottles to clear space out of my purse till at least next week. He better be glad I love him!
You have way more patience than I do. I would have been lucky to make it to V3. The only one I've done more than a few tries on is a menthol tobacco I made when I very first started mixing. There were several that took one taste and went in the garbage. There was one that I put way too much menthol in that just about melted my face. I knew nothing about mixing and was just shooting from the hip trying to copy a liquid I had been using that wasn't available any longer.
So I just made Captain Crunch V7... first he said it was too milky, so I dropped the cream and upped the crunch. That made it "too berry-y" like crunch berries, not original captain. So I dropped the crunch halfway back. We're driving to a wedding tomorrow so he'll probably finish the bottle of v6 on the way and be able to start giving feedback by the time we get back on Sunday. I'm basically trying to clone something I've only vaped twice but using somebody else's taste buds.
The really not fair part? Totally haven't had time to make anything for me! I'll be vaping dreg bottles to clear space out of my purse till at least next week. He better be glad I love him!
I went through many versions of Aphrodite's Kiss before I landed on one that I liked... I think the one that stuck was somewhere around V16, LOL. I was basing that juice on an idea that I had in my head... never found a juice that was like it. But I was mixing it for me, using my taste buds... I can't imagine mixing based solely on somebody else's feedback. Bless your sweet little heart, Darlin'... you've got more patience than I do!
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