The Flavor Apprentice Flavoring Thread

[IDJoel]

I'm looking for a citrus orange. Maybe even something like Tang if anyone remembers that.

Have you tried TFA's Orange Mandarin yet? I have been using it along with TFA-Orange Cream as a base for a tropical drink type of juice. The recipe is still a work in progress but I like the way to two oranges work together.
In the recipe; I am using Orange Cream at 9% and Orange Mndarin at 1%. I tried bumping the mandarin to 2% and reducing the OC to 9% but that was too orange for me.
And FYI the mandarin does have some ethyl alcohol in it. So it will need some breathing if you don't like harsh.

 

[hittman]

Thanks for the link kas.

Joel, I think I've tried all of the TFA oranges. I'm going to do a flavor test with the blood orange later. I'll start at 10 and go from there. I just wasn't sure what to add to it to get a citrus type result.

 

[IDJoel]

Joel, I think I've tried all of the TFA oranges. I'm going to do a flavor test with the blood orange later. I'll start at 10 and go from there. I just wasn't sure what to add to it to get a citrus type result.

When I first started mixing, and discovered ECF, I tried both of @tc1 's Ecto recipes. He used TFA's Lemon Lime in them and that was WAY over the top citrus for me. Maybe a little of that might give you the citrus note you are looking for.
I have never used it since, so I don't recall clearly, but I don't remember it being particularly lemon-y or lime-y. Just a whole lotta acidic citrus!

 

[Slots]

I'm looking for a citrus orange. Maybe even something like Tang if anyone remembers that.

I'm old enough to have forgotten all about Tang until I tried FW "Etco Cooler"
You couldn't get a better "Tang" unless you mixed a glass of the original, and then it would be a toss up.
Brought back some warm memories when I first tried it.
I wouldn't say it was a true good orange taste... but is it "Tang" .. you betcha.
Tang was never a true orange either, but with the FW Etco Cooler you have a true Tang.
I used their suggested 15%, and it was perfect.

 

[hittman]

Thanks Joel. I do have lemon lime.

Slots, I'll have to add ecto cooler to my next order. It sounds good. Did you mix anything with it?

 

[b.m.]

I'm old enough to have forgotten all about Tang until I tried FW "Etco Cooler"
You couldn't get a better "Tang" unless you mixed a glass of the original, and then it would be a toss up.
Brought back some warm memories when I first tried it.
I wouldn't say it was a true good orange taste... but is it "Tang" .. you betcha.
Tang was never a true orange either, but with the FW Etco Cooler you have a true Tang.
I used their suggested 15%, and it was perfect.

I used to love tang,actually seen some a few years ago and had to buy it to bring back old memories haha.
I'll have to give the ecto cooler a try at 15%,i have a bottle of it i bought a few years ago,and i think i only mixed it at maybe 8-10% but it didn't do anything for me back then,but i will give it another go at the higher %.

 

[Slots]

Slots, I'll have to add ecto cooler to my next order. It sounds good. Did you mix anything with it?

Nope, I was just doing a regular solo taste test when I ran into it.
I've mixed up some since then, and I just use it solo ... no other flavors or sweeteners.

I used to love tang. i have a bottle of it i bought a few years ago,and i think i only mixed it at maybe 8-10% but it didn't do anything for me back then,but i will give it another go at the higher %.

Definitely try it higher. FW is known for being a weak flavoring.
They recommend all their flavoring start at 15% ... if your bottle is older, you may even go higher ... 18-20% ?
I don't like using any flavor or recipe that calls for using over 20%, but that's just me.

 

[b.m.]

I don't like using any flavor or recipe that calls for using over 20%, but that's just me.

Yeah,i don't either.I used to make a bunch of Bill's stuff which is mostly 30%,but now,any of them i still use,i cut in half.As my choice in atties and coil resistance has changed,i have had to really cut back on flavor strengths,otherwise they are just to potent.

 

[Slots]

Yeah,i don't either.I used to make a bunch of Bill's stuff which is mostly 30%,but now,any of them i still use,i cut in half.

I know ... I choked when I read the %'s in his recipes.
I tried just mixing up the flavors alone, nothing else, and then adding that as my flavoring, but, .
We also bumped heads about "steeping".
Too me, unless I make a fresh juice to vape for the day, they are going to sit and steep anyway, which is going to change them .. at least it does for me.
Also, making a juice for the day won't work for me, because I vape 9 different flavors in 9 different mods strategically placed around the house where I spend most of my time.
Those flavors change again when refills are needed.... yeah, I like variety ... favorites yes, but no ADV's for me.
So I have a lot of small batches of flavors mixed that can't help but "sit" for a while.
Bill also didn't care for tobacco's, but I haven't found one yet that didn't need steep time to taste it's best.

BTY, I do like using some FW flavorings in simple recipes (not solo), like Yellow Cake, Biscotti, Bavarian Cream, and the Whipped and Sweet Creams
but, all in all, I probably have more TFA than any other flavoring.

 

[SLM]

Anybody have any suggestions for the Beetlejuice flavor?

 

[Mactavish]

Nope, I was just doing a regular solo taste test when I ran into it.
I've mixed up some since then, and I just use it solo ... no other flavors or sweeteners.


Definitely try it higher. FW is known for being a weak flavoring.
They recommend all their flavoring start at 15% ... if your bottle is older, you may even go higher ... 18-20% ?
I don't like using any flavor or recipe that calls for using over 20%, but that's just me.

Does TFA have an overall flavor use percentage?

 

[b.m.]

Does TFA have an overall flavor use percentage?

No,the percentage for Tfa is all over the range haha.Some are fairly weak and need to be used around 10-12%,and others are very strong even at 2%.There is a chart posted here somewhere that shows pretty good starting points for most of the Tfa flavors though.

 

[Slots]

This is the latest list I could find ....but just use it as a starting point, and make small 3ml tests.
You can play with the test sample by adding too, or diluting to find your sweet spot.
Like b.m. says ... all over the board Just depend how good your taste buds are !
Enjoy
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555 10-20%
Absinthe Flavor Concentrate 5-10%
Almond Amaretto Flavor Concentrate 5-10%
American Red Tobacco Flavor Concentrate 3-10%
Apple Candy 15%
Apple Flavor 10-15%,
Banana Cream Flavor 5-15%
Banana Nut Bread Flavor 5-7%
Bavarian Cream Flavor 5-15%
Bittersweet Chocolate (Extra) Flavor 10-15%
Black Cherry Flavor 5-15%
Black Honey Tobacco 3-5%
Black Sesame Seed Flavor .1 %
Black Tea Flavor 2.5-12%
Blackberry Flavor 2-15%
Blueberry 15%
Blueberry Candy 13%
Blueberry (Wild) Flavor 15%
Blueberry Flavor (Extra) 10-13%
Boysenberry Flavor ~1%
Brown Sugar 15-20%
Brown Sugar Extra 2%-10%
Bubblegum Flavor 10-15%
Butterscotch Flavor 12%
Cantaloupe 10-12%
Caramel Candy Flavor 15-20%
Caramel Cappuccino Flavor- No more than 2 drop in 10ml base
Caramel Flavor 10-15%
Chai Tea Flavor 10%
Champagne Type Flavor (PG) 5-7%
Cheesecake Flavor 5-15%,
Cherry Blossom (PG) 5%-15%
Chocolate Flavor 10%-15%
Citrus Punch Flavor 5-7%
Chocolate Mint (Not Listed ) 10% (more chocolate than mint)
Cinnamon Danish 10-12% (needs to steep)
Cinnamon Flavor(alc) .25-.5%
Cinnamon Red Hots Flavor 5-10%
Cinnamon Spice Flavor .5% to start
Cinnamon Sugar Cookie 5%-15%
Clove Flavor 2-3%
Coconut Candy: 5-10%
Coconut Extra Flavor 2%-10%
Coffee (Clear) 0.25-5%
Coffee (Kona) Flavor 1drop/10ml
Cola Flavor 5-10%
Cotton Candy Flavor 10-20%
Crème de Menthe 5-14%
DK Tobacco Base Flavor 2%-5%
Double Chocolate (Clear) Flavor 10-12%
Double Chocolate (dark) Flavor
Dragonfruit Flavor 5-12%
Dulce de Leche Flavor 10% - overpowering at 20%
Earl Grey Tea 2-3%
Eggnog 10-20%
Energy Drink Flavor 10%
English Toffee Flavor 5-17%
Espresso 3% or less
Flue Cured Flavor 2%
French Vanilla Flavor 5%-10%
Gingerbread Cookie 8-10%
Graham Cracker Flavor 10-15%
Grape Jolly Rancher 8% - 10%
Grape Juice Flavor 8%-12%
Green Apple Flavor 12-20%
Green Tea Flavor 5%-15%
Gummy Candy Flavor 7%
Hawaiian Punch Flavor 12%
Hazelnut Flavor 16%
Hazelnut Praline Flavor 5%
Hibiscus Flavor 1-2%
Holiday Spice Flavor 0.5-3% (start at 0.5%)
Honey Flavor 1-5%
Honeydew Melon Flavor 5-10%
Honeysuckle Flavor 10- 15% tank cracker
Horchata Flavor 5%,
Hpno Type Flavor (alc) 5-10%
Irish Cream Flavor 10 - 12%
Juicy Fruit 10-13%
Kalua & Cream 5%+
Key Lime Flavor 3%-10%
Key Lime Flavor Concentrate 12%
Key Lime Pie 12%
Koolada 10% (PG) .5-1%
Lemon Lime Flavor 5%
Licorice(not listed) 3%- 10% long steep time (weeks)
Lime Flavor (Essential Oil) 1-5%
Lychee Flavor 2-7%
M Type Premium Flavor 0.5%-1%
Malted Milk Extra (Conc) 5% (best mixed with others)
Mango Flavor 10-15%
Maple Syrup Flavor 10-15
Maraschino Cherry (PG) 5%
Menthol Arctic: 2 drops/ml
Menthol Liquid (PG) 2-5%
Mild Black <2.5% (VERY strong)
Milk Chocolate Flavor 4%-20%
Mint Candy 12% 4/5
Mint Chocolate Chip 10%
Mocha 5%
Mt. Dew 10-20%
Musk Candy Flavor <3%
Nectarine Flavor 11%
Orange Cream Flavor 5-10%
Papaya Flavor 10%
Passion Fruit Flavor <20%
Peach Flavor 12-15%
Peach (Juicy) Flavor 5%- 17%
Peanut Butter Flavor 10-15%
Pear Flavor 10-15%
Peppermint Flavor 5%-15%
Pie Crust Flavor .5-12%
Pina Coloda 15%
Pineapple Flavor 15% (authentic flavor w/5% EM)
Pizza Flavor ~5%
Plum Flavor 5-10%
Pomegranate Flavor 7.5%-14%
Popcorn Flavor 13%-15%
Pumpkin 7%
Quince Flavor 10%
Raisin Flavor 0.5%-3% (Powerful)
Raspberry Flavor 5-10%
Red Bull: 10%
Red Type Blend 5-15%
Red Oak 3% sweet and smokey
Ripe Banana Flavor 8-20%
Rose Candy Flavor 7%
RY4 Asian Flavor 10-15%
RY4 Double Flavor 5%-15%
Smooth Flavor 2 drops per 5 ml
Spearmint Flavor <5% Very Strong
Strawberries and Cream Flavor 10-12%
Strawberry Flavor 3%-15%
Strawberry Kiwi 20% 1/5
Strawberry Ripe 15%
Sweet Cream Flavor 5-10%
Sweet Tart: 10% 5/5 Tastes more like Smarties
Sweetener 2%-6%
Tangerine Flavor (oil based) 1-5%
Tiramisu Flavor 2-5% VERY strong
Toasted Almond Flavor 15%
Toasted Marshmallow Flavor 10-15%
Tobacco Absolute (1. Pure) <1%
Tobacco Blend (Alc) 0.5-2.5%
Tobacco Flavor 10-20%
Tutti Frutti flavor 10-15%
Vanilla (Bourbon) Flavor(alc) 10-15%
Vanilla Bean Ice Cream Flavor 4-8% (excellent mixer) *** this containsAcetyl Propionyl, which carries potential inhalation risks.
Vanilla Cupcake 20%
Vanilla Swirl 10%
Violet Candy Flavor 10% - 12%
Waffle (Belgian) Flavor 8-12%
Waffle Flavor 20%
Watermelon Flavor 15%
Whipped Cream Flavor 14%
White Chocolate Flavor 10%
Wintergreen: 20%
PA Sucralose Sweetener: .5-2%+

 

[Mactavish]

Thanks, I've copied that list to me notes!

 

[Simply Red]

Anybody have any suggestions for the Beetlejuice flavor?

I saw this somewhere (can't remember. With age comes memory loss. ) and I know, they're not TFA flavors. Perhaps you could find the equivalents??

Sweet Strawberry (CAP) 6%
Golden Pineapple (CAP) 5%
Raspberry (CAP) 5%
Sweet Mango (CAP) 3%
Capella Super Sweet 1-3 drops per 30ml

 

[ShamrockPat]

Can someone validate these %'s for me, they seem out of whack. Perhaps I have a bad batch.

This is the latest list I could find ....but just use it as a starting point, and make small 3ml tests.
Honey Flavor 1-5% - Seems high to me
Pineapple Flavor 15% (authentic flavor w/5% EM) - I don't use this over 4%
Ripe Banana Flavor 8-20% - I don't use this over 3%

Strawberry Ripe 15% - I can't taste this at all, but have only used it at max 6%

Someone could add Guava 2% max.

I don't know where that came from, but I'd be willing to create a spreadsheet for the dropbox with all the current TFA flavors, with 'user-id' along the top row so that we could all put in our 'average %' just off the top of our heads. Gimme a 'hell yeah' if you'd like, or just 'like' this post.

 

[b.m.]

Can someone validate these %'s for me, they seem out of whack. Perhaps I have a bad batch.

I'm not sure where that list originated,it has been floating around for several years,so it doesn't have a lot of the newer flavors on it,and some of those could have been reformulated since it was created,possibly making them stronger or weaker.
I will say though,that list is just a general starting point for each flavor as a solo flavor.Whoever came up with it may have had some really screwy taste buds though,as some of them will blow you out of the water at those % haha,but i have found several of them seem to work really well pretty close to those numbers.

 

[Slots]

Can someone validate these %'s for me, they seem out of whack.
I don't know where that came from, but I'd be willing to create a spreadsheet for the dropbox with all the current TFA flavors, with 'user-id' along the top row so that we could all put in our 'average %' just off the top of our heads..

Go for it
I would love to see a new up-to-date version that was a little closer to reality

I'm not sure where that list originated,it has been floating around for several years.

Right .... It originally started "way back when".
Everyone just added their own "suggestion" as it grew, but until now, it's all we've had

 

[jambi]

Oops wrong thread!

 

[b.m.]

Go for it
I would love to see a new up-to-date version that was a little closer to reality


Right .... It originally started "way back when".
Everyone just added their own "suggestion" as it grew, but until now, it's all we've had

Yeah,and even now with all the info out there,it still really difficult to come up with an accurate chart because so many people have such differing tastes.I may think a certain flavor is great at 10%,while someone else can only tolerate that same flavor at 2%.It is nice to get an idea on them though,i sometimes look at that chart,and cut it in half for a starting point,or just go safe and start around 5% haha.