The Flavor Apprentice Flavoring Thread
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I thought we were lubricating syringe plungers
Thanks dsy5 you are right. I miss read the post which was writing about syringe use of petroleum. I thought it was on topic of atty. use of Vaseline. I use glass syringes which require no lubricant. Sorry everyone!
Alright, no such thing as a dumb question, so here goes. Just getting into DIY, and made an order to Wizard labs and picked up, among other things, TFA root beer (I stalked the site and when there were 2 brands of a particular flavor available, noted which were most often sold out, so TFA won), clearly not researching enough to realize it's one of the worst RB flavors (second only to LA, so sort of dodged that bullet).
After a week of steeping (0mg, 50/50pg/vg, 5% Root Beer flavor), I'm just getting perfume. So the question is, has anyone found a way to salvage this flavor? It was cheap, but I'd hate to waste a whole bottle. On hand, I have brown sugar (tfa), pear (tfa), captain black (sm), commercial tobacco (sm), m-type (tfa), and a free sample of banana cream (tfa).
I'm waiting on some more bottles (6 was not enough), and then I'll start playing. Thinking that commercial tobacco smells really similar that there might be some combo there, brown sugar might balance things, even the banana cream might smooth the perfume.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated; thanks.
After a week of steeping (0mg, 50/50pg/vg, 5% Root Beer flavor), I'm just getting perfume. So the question is, has anyone found a way to salvage this flavor? It was cheap, but I'd hate to waste a whole bottle. On hand, I have brown sugar (tfa), pear (tfa), captain black (sm), commercial tobacco (sm), m-type (tfa), and a free sample of banana cream (tfa).
I'm waiting on some more bottles (6 was not enough), and then I'll start playing. Thinking that commercial tobacco smells really similar that there might be some combo there, brown sugar might balance things, even the banana cream might smooth the perfume.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated; thanks.
Don't they sell oba oba anymore or did it get a new name?
Oh by the way: I notice the prices at the TFA website are almost twice as high as when ordering the same TFA flavors from wizardlabs.
TFA charges $1.40 for 4ml while that same flavor is only $1.49 for twice the amount at wizardlabs. Seems like they're using quite a profit margin in the TFA shop!
Oh by the way: I notice the prices at the TFA website are almost twice as high as when ordering the same TFA flavors from wizardlabs.
TFA charges $1.40 for 4ml while that same flavor is only $1.49 for twice the amount at wizardlabs. Seems like they're using quite a profit margin in the TFA shop!
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I think it has been that way for a while now. One good thing is they have it when you need it. I'm not knocking WL at all here.
There were some suggestion on this link. Perfumers Apprentice - Root Beer Flavor (Tri) Sorry if you already read those, just trying to help. Usually when I have one that has a perfumey taste, I add some unflavored to dilute it down. It may just be that it is one of those flavors that need a really long steeping time. Well, I hope you figure it out because I would love to try it. Let us know how it works out. Thanks.
What I have found is a chemical or perfume flavor means more steeping, maybe even some lid off time.
Oba Oba is made by FA, they still make it. To my knowledge, TFA has never had an Oba Oba. TFA focuses on wholesale, bottling small quantities is costly, or they just don't like to. So it costs a little more to get it from them, but they always have what you are looking for. I was looking for gummy candy once and WL was out. I checked the website and they didn't have retail sizes available. I put in a ticket with customer service and they put it up!
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I made a "Gingerbread Cupcake" recipe that came out great (can't remember where I got the recipe - somewhere online):
TFA Gingerbread 10%
TFA Vanilla Cupcake 5%
TFA Caramel Original 3%
FA Madagascar Vanilla 2% (I imagine a TFA Vanilla would be fine too)
It's good - strong, but good. Only steeped for a week or two. Dial back the percentages if you like it milder.
EDIT: I made this with high VG, so again, dial back the percentages if using high PG.
TFA Gingerbread 10%
TFA Vanilla Cupcake 5%
TFA Caramel Original 3%
FA Madagascar Vanilla 2% (I imagine a TFA Vanilla would be fine too)
It's good - strong, but good. Only steeped for a week or two. Dial back the percentages if you like it milder.
EDIT: I made this with high VG, so again, dial back the percentages if using high PG.
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Thanks for the suggestions - read the suggestions from the tfa site, which are pretty much 'add mint', so I'll try that. As far as making it weaker, it's already down to 5%, but might go lower. And it's been steeping cap off for over a week - we'll see what happens
Well, post #4 from this thread gives a list of percentages to start out with. Oba Oba is in this list too and it's aimed at TFA liquids so I thought they had it too.
OK thanks, that makes sense.
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Question about "smooth" for someone with info on it. Is it a flavor (like a smooth menthol or something) or does it take the throat hit off flavora that have a more dominate throat hit due to the flavor itself? Have a tangerine and some other flavors I want to smooth out (haha, I'm punny) and hope this is my answer.
Thanks in advance
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Some places have set pricing higher than their distributors to protect them. No one wants to sell someone else's product and be undersold by the people you bought your product from. 2cents
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Found my answer...ita tobacco :-(
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Ooooooooooo, whoa! Thank you! Sounds really good, and another great excuse to buy a few new flavors.
In recipes that call for Sweet Cream..... is it just me or does it have a coffee kind of taste? I've been experimenting with 10ml batches and only used like 5 drops. I keep getting coffee. Could just be my buds. Want a 2nd opinion.
Dayum guys, I just discovered TFA and this thread today. Can't believe you've kept the list going this long! Here's the latest iteration
Absinthe: 10%
Almond Amaretto: 5-10%, 5/5
Apple: 10-15%, 4.5/5
Banana Cream 10%-15%
Banana Nut Bread: 5-7% (Great for mixing)
Bavarian Cream 5%-15%
Belgium Waffle 8-!2% 4/5
Bittersweet (Choc): 10-15%, 4/5
Black Cherry: 5-15%, 5/5
Black Honey Tobacco: 3-5%
Blackberry: 6%
Black Sesame 1/10% (per eikon) that's .1 of a percent
Black Tea 2.5-12% 3/5 needs a little steeping
Blueberry: 15%
Blueberry Extra: 6/5 10-13%
Boysenberry: 5/5 ~1% (a dash of EM & Citric make it sing)
Brown Sugar 15-20%
Bubblegum: 10%>
Butterscotch: 12%
Caramel: 10-15%, 5/5
Caramel Candy: 15-20%, 5/5
Caramel Cappuccino: 1 drop in 10ml base 4/5
Chai Tea: 10% 5/5 Very Unique, a must try
Champagne: 7%
Cheesecake: 3%-15%, 2/5
Cherry Blossom; 15%
Chocolate: 10-15%, 5/5
Chocolate Mint: 10% (more chocolate than mint)
Cinnamon: 0.25% (Just Sweet Cinnamon)
Cinnamon Red Hots: 5-15%, 5/5
Cinnamon Spice: 0.5% Okay Starting Point
Cinnamon Sugar Cookie: 5%-15%
Clove: 2-3%
Coconut Extra: ~10%, 5/5
Cotton Candy: 10-20%, 5/5
DK Tab 555: 2%-5%
Dragon Fruit: 5-12%
Double Chocolate (Clear) 10-12% 4/5
Dulce de Leche: <10%> - overpowering at 20% - good for combining
Earl Grey: 3% (This is a strong Tea)
English Toffee: 15-17%
Flue Cured Tobacco: 8-15% 5/5
French Vanilla: 10% (For me: Gets chemical/perfume tones over 5%)
Graham Cracker: 10-15%, 5/5 - This flavor recommended for combining with others.
Grape: 12%
Grape Jolly Rancher: 8% - 10% 6/5
Green Apple: 12-20%
Green Tea: 10-15% 4/5
Hawaiian Punch 12% 5/5
Hazelnut 16% 5/5
Hazelnut Praline: 5%, 2/5
Hibiscus 1% (Start at 0.5%)
Holiday Spice 1-2% (start at 0.5%)
Honey: 1-5% (Very present at 5%)
Honeydew Melon: 5-10%
Honeysuckle: 10- 15% - very good but FYI will crack a tank
Horchata: 5%, 5/5
Irish Cream: 10 - 12%
Juicy Peach 5%- 17%
Key Lime Pie 12%
Kona Coffee: 1drop/10ml, 4/5
Lemon/Lime 5% 4/5
Licorice 5/5 10% needs a few weeks to steep
Lime (oil-based): 1-5%, 4/5
Lychee:2-7%
M-type Tobacco- 1% for starters... It requires a loooong steep!
Malted Milk: 5% (best mixed with other others)
Mango: 13%
Maple Syrup: 10-15%
Marischino Cherry: 5%, 4/5
Menthol Liquid ( PG ): 1-5%
Milk Chocolate: 20%, 4/5
Mint Candy: 12%, 4.5/5
Mt. Dew 10%-20%
Nectarine: 11% (Spot On)
Orange Cream: 5-10% 5/5 (To note, I am using all vg . So, I use it at higher %'s)
Papaya: 10% 5-5 (Very Fragrant)
Peach (not juicy) 12-15%
Peach (juicy): 5-7% 5/5
Peanut Butter: 10-15%, 5/5
Pear: 10-15%, 4.5/5
Peppermint: 15%
Pie Crust 0.5%-12% 2/5 Adjusted minimum from 2% to 0.5%
Pineapple: 15% 4.5/5 ( authentic flavor, I used 5% EM to sweeten)
Pizza: ~5%, 5/5
Plum: 5-10%, 4/5
Pomegranate: 7.5%-14%
Popcorn: 13%-15%
Raisin: 0.5-3% (Powerful) I dilute mine before mixing 1:3
Raspberry:5-10%
Red Bull: 10%
Ripe Banana: 8-12% (3-5% EM to make it a good stand alone flavor)
RY4 Double- 5-15%
RY4 Asian: 10-15%
Smooth 1 drops per 10 ml
Spearmint: <5% Very strong start small
Strawberry: 3%-15%
Strawberry Kiwi 20% 1/5
Strawberries & Cream: 10-12% (good on its own, better with 3-5% EM)
Sweet Cream: 5-10%, 4/5 - This flavor recommended for combining with others.
Sweet Tart: 10%, 5/5 - Tastes more like Smarties
Sweetener (Liquid): 4-6% (higher than 6% can be required, less strong than crystals)
Tangerine (oil-based): 1-5%, 5/5
Tiramisu 2%-15% Over 5% tastes like burned coffee
Tobacco Blend Alcohol: 0.5-2.5%
Toasted Marshmallow: 10-15%
Toasted Almond: 15%
Tobacco Absolute (TA): <1%
Tutti Frutti: 10-15%, 4.5/5 (closer to 15% the more VG I use)
Vanilla Bean Ice Cream: 4-8%, 4/5 (excellent mixer)
Vanilla Bourbon: 10-15%, 4.5/5
Vanilla Cupcake: 20%
Vanilla Swirl: 10%
Violet Candy: 10 - 12% (one of my favorite vapes)
Waffle: 20%, 5/5
Watermelon: 15% 4/5
Whipped Cream 3% to 14% 3/5
White Chocolate: 10% (note: mine had sugar as ingredient)
Wintergreen: 20%, 5/5
PA Sucralose Sweetener: 0.5%--2%+, 4.5/5
Absinthe: 10%
Almond Amaretto: 5-10%, 5/5
Apple: 10-15%, 4.5/5
Banana Cream 10%-15%
Banana Nut Bread: 5-7% (Great for mixing)
Bavarian Cream 5%-15%
Belgium Waffle 8-!2% 4/5
Bittersweet (Choc): 10-15%, 4/5
Black Cherry: 5-15%, 5/5
Black Honey Tobacco: 3-5%
Blackberry: 6%
Black Sesame 1/10% (per eikon) that's .1 of a percent
Black Tea 2.5-12% 3/5 needs a little steeping
Blueberry: 15%
Blueberry Extra: 6/5 10-13%
Boysenberry: 5/5 ~1% (a dash of EM & Citric make it sing)
Brown Sugar 15-20%
Bubblegum: 10%>
Butterscotch: 12%
Caramel: 10-15%, 5/5
Caramel Candy: 15-20%, 5/5
Caramel Cappuccino: 1 drop in 10ml base 4/5
Chai Tea: 10% 5/5 Very Unique, a must try
Champagne: 7%
Cheesecake: 3%-15%, 2/5
Cherry Blossom; 15%
Chocolate: 10-15%, 5/5
Chocolate Mint: 10% (more chocolate than mint)
Cinnamon: 0.25% (Just Sweet Cinnamon)
Cinnamon Red Hots: 5-15%, 5/5
Cinnamon Spice: 0.5% Okay Starting Point
Cinnamon Sugar Cookie: 5%-15%
Clove: 2-3%
Coconut Extra: ~10%, 5/5
Cotton Candy: 10-20%, 5/5
DK Tab 555: 2%-5%
Dragon Fruit: 5-12%
Double Chocolate (Clear) 10-12% 4/5
Dulce de Leche: <10%> - overpowering at 20% - good for combining
Earl Grey: 3% (This is a strong Tea)
English Toffee: 15-17%
Flue Cured Tobacco: 8-15% 5/5
French Vanilla: 10% (For me: Gets chemical/perfume tones over 5%)
Graham Cracker: 10-15%, 5/5 - This flavor recommended for combining with others.
Grape: 12%
Grape Jolly Rancher: 8% - 10% 6/5
Green Apple: 12-20%
Green Tea: 10-15% 4/5
Hawaiian Punch 12% 5/5
Hazelnut 16% 5/5
Hazelnut Praline: 5%, 2/5
Hibiscus 1% (Start at 0.5%)
Holiday Spice 1-2% (start at 0.5%)
Honey: 1-5% (Very present at 5%)
Honeydew Melon: 5-10%
Honeysuckle: 10- 15% - very good but FYI will crack a tank
Horchata: 5%, 5/5
Irish Cream: 10 - 12%
Juicy Peach 5%- 17%
Key Lime Pie 12%
Kona Coffee: 1drop/10ml, 4/5
Lemon/Lime 5% 4/5
Licorice 5/5 10% needs a few weeks to steep
Lime (oil-based): 1-5%, 4/5
Lychee:2-7%
M-type Tobacco- 1% for starters... It requires a loooong steep!
Malted Milk: 5% (best mixed with other others)
Mango: 13%
Maple Syrup: 10-15%
Marischino Cherry: 5%, 4/5
Menthol Liquid ( PG ): 1-5%
Milk Chocolate: 20%, 4/5
Mint Candy: 12%, 4.5/5
Mt. Dew 10%-20%
Nectarine: 11% (Spot On)
Orange Cream: 5-10% 5/5 (To note, I am using all vg . So, I use it at higher %'s)
Papaya: 10% 5-5 (Very Fragrant)
Peach (not juicy) 12-15%
Peach (juicy): 5-7% 5/5
Peanut Butter: 10-15%, 5/5
Pear: 10-15%, 4.5/5
Peppermint: 15%
Pie Crust 0.5%-12% 2/5 Adjusted minimum from 2% to 0.5%
Pineapple: 15% 4.5/5 ( authentic flavor, I used 5% EM to sweeten)
Pizza: ~5%, 5/5
Plum: 5-10%, 4/5
Pomegranate: 7.5%-14%
Popcorn: 13%-15%
Raisin: 0.5-3% (Powerful) I dilute mine before mixing 1:3
Raspberry:5-10%
Red Bull: 10%
Ripe Banana: 8-12% (3-5% EM to make it a good stand alone flavor)
RY4 Double- 5-15%
RY4 Asian: 10-15%
Smooth 1 drops per 10 ml
Spearmint: <5% Very strong start small
Strawberry: 3%-15%
Strawberry Kiwi 20% 1/5
Strawberries & Cream: 10-12% (good on its own, better with 3-5% EM)
Sweet Cream: 5-10%, 4/5 - This flavor recommended for combining with others.
Sweet Tart: 10%, 5/5 - Tastes more like Smarties
Sweetener (Liquid): 4-6% (higher than 6% can be required, less strong than crystals)
Tangerine (oil-based): 1-5%, 5/5
Tiramisu 2%-15% Over 5% tastes like burned coffee
Tobacco Blend Alcohol: 0.5-2.5%
Toasted Marshmallow: 10-15%
Toasted Almond: 15%
Tobacco Absolute (TA): <1%
Tutti Frutti: 10-15%, 4.5/5 (closer to 15% the more VG I use)
Vanilla Bean Ice Cream: 4-8%, 4/5 (excellent mixer)
Vanilla Bourbon: 10-15%, 4.5/5
Vanilla Cupcake: 20%
Vanilla Swirl: 10%
Violet Candy: 10 - 12% (one of my favorite vapes)
Waffle: 20%, 5/5
Watermelon: 15% 4/5
Whipped Cream 3% to 14% 3/5
White Chocolate: 10% (note: mine had sugar as ingredient)
Wintergreen: 20%, 5/5
PA Sucralose Sweetener: 0.5%--2%+, 4.5/5
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