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The Flavor Apprentice Flavoring Thread
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Well, I tried out that blueberry mix I made last night, and it's a bit disappointing, but it kinda points to where I need to go with it; I went a bit light on some ingredients, since I can always add more, but I think part of the problem is that FW Vanilla Cupcake; the FW flavors seem to need really long steeping to get anything, and I'm just not the patient sort.
This is the recipe I used:
TFA Wild Blueberry 15%
TFA DX Bavarian Cream 6%
Sweet Flash* 5%
FW Vanilla Cupcake 4%
CAP Sweet Cream v2 2%
WTA 9%
* = 6% FA Flash, 6% TFA Sweetener
This is how I've amended the recipe, though I won't mix it till I've got more flavor, I'm running a bit low on some of them:
TFA Wild Blueberry 15%
TFA Blueberry Extra 5%
TFA DX Bavarian Cream 7%
Sweet Flash 7%
CAP Vanilla Custard v2 2%
CAP Sweet Cream v2 2%
CAP Graham Cracker v2 2%
TFA Sweetener 2%
WTA 9%
I scrapped the cupcake and went back to the custard; and added just a bit of more sweetener and some of the graham cracker v2. I seem to have better luck with the Capella flavors than the FW. I like the TFA a lot though, being the kind they are, best when mixed with others -- it's the way I approach cooking too, blending many flavors to create a far more complex taste -- when I start cooking teriyaki chicken, the mix of garlic, ginger, celery, onions, and green pepper sizzling in the skillet with some olive oil, soy sauce, and a dash of teriyaki, drags people into the kitchen like a magnet to see what's cooking to smell like that.My son said that if he wasn't hungry when I first started, he would be after he smelled that!
Andria
If I understand your recipe correctly, you're using, what, 51% flavoring? I think that is too high for most mixes, and the ratio of primary to secondaries seems too low because of it, as well. Also, if you like sweet so much, you may benefit from more VG which is much sweeter than PG. I use 70% VG to 30% PG in all but one recipe I make (30.5% in Dutch Apple Pie ala Mode), and it 's pretty sweet. Also, I think you would benefit from an all TFA mix on those ingredients. You will get a better blend with more consistent ratios, and may achieve what you are looking for at 30% flavoring or less.
Do you add tobacco alkaloids to all your juice? Seems to me that you may be competing with flavorings that may not be complementary with each other. I have had great luck with TFA vanilla custard, TFA vanilla cupcake, TFA sweet cream, and TFA graham cracker (clear). I would consider dropping the WTA and the Flash, use VG instead of PG, eliminate the Wild Blueberry, and remix to a 30% mix. You never know about flavorings until you try them, and taste is subjective, and to each their own, but I think I could get to a really great mix with those changes. Food for thought, anyway, and not a criticism, just trying to be helpful.
I would think that much flavoring would take some time to blend fully, perhaps a couple of days, would be my guess, possibly longer. Again, just food for thought. Wouldn't the whole idea of a blueberry muffin compete again tobacco flavorings, particularly nets? Given the difficulty of making tobacco juice, seems like you may be trying to get too much into one juice, too quick. I dunno for sure, as tobacco's, nets, WTA's are not my thing. I've heard of some great peach tobacco juices out there, but fruits and tobaccos are particularly hard to get right. just sayin.....????
Well let's see... I can't use more VG, it suffocates me. In that 51%, 9% of it is WTA (unflavored, so it should actually be considered part of the VG), so it's really only 43% 42%, then take away the 7% sweet flash, and now it's only 36% 35% actual *flavoring* -- the flash is for TH, though I do sweeten it, as it saves a step in some recipes.
I do add WTA to everything I vape, because I've needed that. I'm going to be decreasing it one percentage point a month over the next 10 months (I'm at 9% now, from my accustomed 10%). It's not worth it to me to make something which may taste better without it, if I start having cravings again.
I really dislike the tobacco flavor now, so no interest in that whatever. If I didn't need the WTA to prevent cravings, I'd get rid of it -- it's expensive! But I think going down by 1 point a month will keep the cravings from coming back, letting my brain get used to less and less, over a lengthy period.
Andria
EDIT: actually I could go as low as 80% on the PG, 20% on the VG, but it takes away the TH, which also renders it completely unsatisfying. But at 85%, the vapor is too thin. At 83%, I can get enough TH, and the vapor is thick enough to satisfy me.
I do add WTA to everything I vape, because I've needed that. I'm going to be decreasing it one percentage point a month over the next 10 months (I'm at 9% now, from my accustomed 10%). It's not worth it to me to make something which may taste better without it, if I start having cravings again.
I really dislike the tobacco flavor now, so no interest in that whatever. If I didn't need the WTA to prevent cravings, I'd get rid of it -- it's expensive! But I think going down by 1 point a month will keep the cravings from coming back, letting my brain get used to less and less, over a lengthy period.
Andria
EDIT: actually I could go as low as 80% on the PG, 20% on the VG, but it takes away the TH, which also renders it completely unsatisfying. But at 85%, the vapor is too thin. At 83%, I can get enough TH, and the vapor is thick enough to satisfy me.
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Curious what kind of gear your using. maybe it's a wattage/build issue killing your clouds/throat hit.
A year's supply of Ken Gen Doh (KGD) is about $12, and we can trade rent payments if you like.
The Taifun GT II's are out now, but I'm waiting. I have eleven GT I's, and they work just fine. However, the new ones have air flow control and juice control, so, in the end, they'll probably get me for about ten of them. Sounds like a lot, but remember, the missus uses them as well, and I'm constantly travelling, and you can't get these at the corner store, so I need a supply of them, and backups in case, who knows.....bad stuff happens to vaping. I hope not, but if everything stopped being sold today, I'd be ok on all fronts for several years, gear, eliquid, nicotine, et al. Rule number one: backups to backups......CHECK!
Tell you what, if you don't just love the KGD, I'll happily buy it from you and pay for postage......so, no risk to you, my friend. If you want to try it, pm me the information, and I'll send you some to try. It's that good, and better than Rayon. Check the Busardo unscientific testing YouTube video. Rayon was second, cotton balls last, hemp third, I think. KGD just wicks easier, installs easier, lasts longer, it's organic, unbleached....you know, all around good stuff. Works great in the Taifun, which relies on the wick to create the pressure seal at the slot. Works better than anything else I've tried. You can't go wrong. It's so good, vapers frequently cause a world-wide shortage of the stuff, so get it when you can. I turned some vendors on to it. Now they sell like 4 pads for $6.00, an 800% markup, I think, and they can't keep it in stock. Great for drippers too. It's bad ayass!
Yeah,i seen those gt 2's they look pretty nice,but just like when watching a movie,i like to start at part 1 haha.Although fasttech has the 2's for like $15 or something so i will probably end up picking up a couple in about a month or so,because like you,i want to be prepared for any possible doomsday that may come in the future.I've bought 5 new tanks just in the last week alone,mostly just to try out all the options,plus a couple deals that were just too good to pass on,but at the same time,they will help build the stash at the same time haha.On the kgd,where did you find it for $12?I haven't done alot of searching yet,so not sure where to even buy it,i've seen some stuff that claims to be the same,but not sure if it is or not.I did find a place on ebay that's selling 2 pads for $2.50 so i figure that's not too bad to try it out,but i wouldn't want to pay that all the time haha.
I don't have a link being on my phone, but google Dermstore (dermstore.com?) And search Ko Gen Do cotton pads. They have them in stock, 120 full size pads for $12 with free shipping. They charged $.72 sales tax so total of $12.72. Just read on another thread to use the code LOVEBEAUTY for 20% off. Darn I had already ordered. I have been using Japanese cotton pads from another company but first tried some KGD PIFFed to me and like it best.
Sephora:
Pure Cotton - Koh Gen Do | Sephora _P300602_link
Koh Gen Do:
https://www.kohgendocosmetics.com/shopproductdetail.asp?prodID=27&catid=16
Beauty.com:
Koh Gen Do Cotton | Beauty.com
I used a search engine to find these (.24 seconds for 219,000 entries). New one, works great....Google?
Sorry, couldn't help it. There's a demon inside there somewhere?
Kayfun, 1.9Ω coil; running the Sigelei at 10 or 10.5 watts, for the strawberry. I don't want "clouds" at all; too thick vapor chokes the hell out of me. There's nothing wrong with my "setup," it works very well. I vape the blueberry muffin/banana nut bread on a similar coil, but I usually turn it up a bit more, about 12-ish watts. It's also somewhere between 80%-85% PG; I don't have to add much Flash to it, to get TH, but I quickly discovered that it's really necessary with the strawberry mix, or it just doesn't satisfy me.
I haven't gotten rid of the disappointing blueberry n cream mix, so it's possible that tomorrow or the next day it could taste better -- when I first mixed the strawberry, the flavor wasn't really "up front," but a mere day or two fixed it nicely. I'll keep it checking it, to see if a day or a few might bring the blueberry flavor more "up front." As I said, I really can't make a new mix till I get some more flavors, so I'll just wait and see if this one develops into something I like.
Andria
Andrea is the wta your actual nicotine or like a nicotine accent/additive? Where do you get? Want to look into for my mom, now since you posted its unflavored, but I am clueless...all I know is that wta's are really helpful to some struggling to fully kick the cigarettes...If you can post a site where to order, I could look at and price...Tia!
I'm looking into getting into DIY liquid and have the following TFA flavors picked out from wizardlabs:
Caramel
Graham Cracker (clear)
Sweetener
Sweet Cream
Cheesecake
Peanut Butter
Marshmallow
Butterscotch
Cinnamon Sugar Cookie
Cappuccino
I'm looking for a vanilla custard type of flavor, or anything dessert or creamy. Are there any I should drop or add? Wizardlabs is out of Bavarian cream, and I'm ordering the Vanilla Custard from Cappella. I'm thinking of maybe dropping the peanut butter and butterscotch for another vanilla flavor and a RY4 flavor.
Thanks!
Caramel
Graham Cracker (clear)
Sweetener
Sweet Cream
Cheesecake
Peanut Butter
Marshmallow
Butterscotch
Cinnamon Sugar Cookie
Cappuccino
I'm looking for a vanilla custard type of flavor, or anything dessert or creamy. Are there any I should drop or add? Wizardlabs is out of Bavarian cream, and I'm ordering the Vanilla Custard from Cappella. I'm thinking of maybe dropping the peanut butter and butterscotch for another vanilla flavor and a RY4 flavor.
Thanks!
Oops, my bad! It is 60 pads, not 120. Same price as the great links Bill posted, dermstore.com has free shipping. Don't know about the others. Just where I just ordered some earlier (without the coupon!!)
I would add vanilla swirl, Bavarian cream (as you mentioned), cotton candy, and vanilla bean ice cream. These are basic and fundamental to our mixes. Don't skip them! Perhaps you don't like fruits, but peach, lemon, strawberry, raspberry, and others are fantastic, and make great Danish, pies, shakes, creams, tarts, etc. Also, consider sweet and tart and others. Here's a post I did a while back that may be helpful, from my blogs (E-Cigarette Forum - Bill's Magic Vapor - Blogs):
I agree with Nate, the ripe banana works best when used with either Bananas Foster or Banana Cream. On the chocolate recipe, you are probably missing sweet cream and TFA Sweetener, and likely vanilla swirl. You can't really make a good chocolate without vanilla, cream and sweetener, just like in real life. Butter helps too. That being said, the fudge brownie is the closest to any of the TFA chocolates that is vapable, imho. Here's my List of Basic Flavorings:
Basic Flavorings
Vanilla Swirl
Vanilla Custard
Vanilla Cupcake
Vanilla Bean Ice Cream
Sweet Cream
Bavarian Cream
French Vanilla Cream
Dulce de Leche
Cotton Candy
Sweetener
Brown Sugar
Graham Cracker
Pie Crust
Marshmallow
Sweet and Tart
Butter
Cinnamon Danish
Hazelnut
Koolada
Fruits:
Lemon
Apple
Banana Cream
Bananas Foster
Juicy Peach
Pineapple
Coconut
Strawberry
Raspberry
You will use these ingredients in 99% of your mixes. Of course, there are many others, but if I were starting out, knowing what I now know, these are the first ones I would buy. Single ingredient mixes will only vary rarely work. You do need the creams, vanillas and sweeteners which not only add depth, richness and texture, but also act as primary flavor enhancers. They work wonders.
Good luck and welcome aboard!
I've been ordering the 25mg unflavored from WholeCig, but they were so rude to me about my last order, I'm not going to order from them anymore. The unflavored at Aroma is much too expensive, so I'm going to order next from mothersmilkwta.com, their 24mg unflavored. If you decide to order from Wholecig, be aware that they can take up to 12 days just to ship the order.
I use actual 100mg nicotine, and add the WTA as a "flavor", since I've wanted to be sure that it was a full 10% of my ejuice; now I'm mixing it at 9%, since I'm starting the slow decrease. I use this calculator, since it allows you to use pre-made ejuice as a "flavor," taking its nic level and PG/VG levels into consideration for the total mix. The WTA from WholeCig is 100% VG, so that means I haven't needed to add much VG at all, and because the WTA is 25mg and is 10% of the mix, I don't have to add a lot of nicotine either, but some.
But the WTA, being 10% of the mix, is what makes the percentage of flavors seem so high -- it doesn't actually have any flavor, beyond whatever nicotine tastes like; the other chemicals in WTA are only about 5% of the WTA, which is about 95% nicotine. And those other chemicals do make a huge difference; the cravings I had after my appendectomy were almost certainly due to my gastric issues, rather than my cigarette addiction, since I had already been smoke-free for 3.5 months before the appendectomy. For those having craving/withdrawal problems due chiefly to their cigarette addiction, I can't say how effective the WTA is, but for IBS, other colon problems like ulcerative colitis and the like, and emotional issues like depression/anxiety, etc, the WTA is worth its weight in gold.
Andria
I would add vanilla swirl, Bavarian cream (as you mentioned), cotton candy, and vanilla bean ice cream. These are basic and fundamental to our mixes. Don't skip them! Perhaps you don't like fruits, but peach, lemon, strawberry, raspberry, and others are fantastic, and make great Danish, pies, shakes, creams, tarts, etc. Also, consider sweet and tart and others. Here's a post I did a while back that may be helpful, from my blogs (E-Cigarette Forum - Bill's Magic Vapor - Blogs):
Good luck and welcome aboard!
Thank you! That is extremely helpful!
I will wait till wizardlabs has the Bavarian cream back in stock, since I see that in a lot of recipes (and seems like it'd be right up my alley). Then, I'll make a big order of all the flavors you've listed.
Oops, my bad! It is 60 pads, not 120. Same price as the great links Bill posted, dermstore.com has free shipping. Don't know about the others. Just where I just ordered some earlier (without the coupon!!)
Close enough ... the 60 pads, split, make 120.But .. the coupon code won't work ... it's only good on a few products.
For anyone who hasn't tried the pads, here a quote from a friend, to use as a staring point:
"First, I take a full pad and carefully separate it into 1/2 it's thickness making 2 full size 1/2 original thickness pads.
Then each of those pieces I cut length wise into ~1 cm strips.
The gives me 10 full length 1/2 thickness strips.
Each of those strips I cut in 1/2 yielding me 20 pieces of KGD.
I find the length and thickness of the final pieces work well for my 2mm ID coils."
Koh Gen Do cotton
on Ebay from Japan, 80 pads free shipping
I have ordered from this lady in Japan, she has superb feedback, and always includes a free gift like green tea...
on Ebay from Japan, 80 pads free shipping
I have ordered from this lady in Japan, she has superb feedback, and always includes a free gift like green tea...
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Thanks to BBallmom I'm pretty sure my AP is going to be in the mail today I'm wondering if anyone has a recipe where I should use it to get the best usage?
Ry4 Type 1?
Double RY4?
Or should I go straight dessert style vape? I just want to see what kind of effect it has. I've scoured the web for recipes - for ideas mainly but I'm coming up blank.
So should I just go simply with DRy4 and then 0.5% AP to see what the difference is first or should I make an RY4 recipe and just add it?
I'm wondering if anyone has a recipe where I should use it to get the best usage?Ry4 Type 1?
Double RY4?
Or should I go straight dessert style vape? I just want to see what kind of effect it has. I've scoured the web for recipes - for ideas mainly but I'm coming up blank.
So should I just go simply with DRy4 and then 0.5% AP to see what the difference is first or should I make an RY4 recipe and just add it?
Monica-Wow, that would be fast delivery for usps! Hope it made it safely!!! I still haven't tried mine honestly. So let me/us know how it goes.
Andrea, wow I learned a LOT this am reading up on the wta' s, checked the site here too, will talk to mom about...had to do some math
this am to figure out mixing wta and nic for her levels, but I actually got it figured out...surprisingly..yay!!!!...They seem to be a little pricey, hence I will talk with her her input first....seems like could be beneficial for her though from what I read about them. Of course it's on my tab, but I want to see if she would beinterested in trying it out, I won't tell her the cost though
Only a couple more days til tfa is back to business, my countdown to blueberry wild can begin soon
Andrea, wow I learned a LOT this am reading up on the wta' s, checked the site here too, will talk to mom about...had to do some math
this am to figure out mixing wta and nic for her levels, but I actually got it figured out...surprisingly..yay!!!!...They seem to be a little pricey, hence I will talk with her her input first....seems like could be beneficial for her though from what I read about them. Of course it's on my tab, but I want to see if she would beinterested in trying it out, I won't tell her the cost thoughOnly a couple more days til tfa is back to business, my countdown to blueberry wild can begin soon
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