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description on tfa site for the caramel candy flavor "This flavor is more like Werthers hard candy than our other caramel. It is sweet with a creamy-rum flavor." I would start here and maybe look up the ingrediants in the candy for ideas to start the 100DT with.
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I'm with Grumpy Cat on that... really glad it's THERE and not HERE. Snow just sucks in GA, the whole damn place shuts down.
Andria
Yes, about 2.5 - 3 mils, or perfect for my little mini taifun tanks. It makes more than enough to taste and get a good sense of flavoring. I will generally vape about a mil or two to get a sense of the flavoring between 100DT's. My taste buds aren't so good, since about 1975, so I take my time with it. Bad is easy and quick. Good and close to right takes a wee bit, so I like the 2.5 - 3 mils a lot. Perfect for me. Sometimes I will use the same setup and just different tanks between 100DT's, sometimes I use new setups and tanks in between. Just depends how much I feel like cleaning up afterwards....my mood for the effort. As mentioned by others, it is very quick and easy. I will often make up to eight mixes in a session, changing and adjusting the mix until it gets right for my tastes. It often takes fewer than 8 attempts, though. Making multiple HFM though, is the only way to quickly dial in great recipes, and sure beats the mix and steep method from a timing standpoint. Both ways work fine, but one is just much quicker, requires higher flavorings, and a bit of citric acid to lock in the flavoring. That's been my experience. Good luck to you and welcome to DIY!
Hey Bill... where can I find citric acid? I've looked at BCV, ECX, and Wizlabs... no joy.
Andria
Hey Bill... where can I find citric acid? I've looked at BCV, ECX, and Wizlabs... no joy.
Andria
I got mine on Amazon. A bag may last a lifetime. I also use in my dishwasher. Works wonders! A very little goes a very long way.
Hey guys, I just got these TFA flavorings:
Vanilla Custard
French Vanilla Creme
French Vanilla Deluxe
Smooth
Sweet Cream
Dulce de Leche
I am normally a Capella guy and just bought the Dulce de Leche to try a GVC clone recipe and added a few along the way. I just wanted to ask people what percentages these flavors normally fall at in recipes? I know they have to be adjusted to taste, but if I could just get some starting points, that would be awesome! Thank you!
Vape Happy,
Cullin Kin
Vanilla Custard
French Vanilla Creme
French Vanilla Deluxe
Smooth
Sweet Cream
Dulce de Leche
I am normally a Capella guy and just bought the Dulce de Leche to try a GVC clone recipe and added a few along the way. I just wanted to ask people what percentages these flavors normally fall at in recipes? I know they have to be adjusted to taste, but if I could just get some starting points, that would be awesome! Thank you!
Vape Happy,
Cullin Kin
Hmm. I dunno about this; I didn't know it would be a chemistry experiment. The only one I've found on amazon that seems to be 100% food-grade citric acid, is $13.50 (free shipping though), and people are talking about using it to make CLEANING PRODUCTS? Not sure it's something I'd want to vape. How would it be mixed, in order to use it in ejuice?
Andria
Andria
Citric acid is citric acid. Doesn't mean it's bad because it's a good cleaning agent. I use cola to take rust off metal, doesn't mean coke a cola is poison.
Citric acid is used for cleaning because it works and is much safer than potentially dangerous man made chemicals.
Mix at 10%
Citric acid is used for cleaning because it works and is much safer than potentially dangerous man made chemicals.
Mix at 10%
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Ok... when you say "10%"... exactly how does that translate to dry measure?
Andria
The acurate way to do it would be with a gram scale, but if you fill grad cylinder to the 1 ml mark with powder and add the pg/vg to the 10ml mark it's good enough for government work.
Hmm.. my glass cylinder doesn't have markings until the 5ml mark... what about measuring spoons? I was told that for EM I should use a "scant" 1/4-tsp to 10ml PG. Would that be the same?
Andria
Andria
1 tsp is 5ml so 1/4 would be 1.25ml. I'm not really sure how you would accurately measure portions of a teaspoon but diluting citric acid isn't rocket science.
If your off 5% it won't make a huge difference when you use it @1% later as an additive
If your off 5% it won't make a huge difference when you use it @1% later as an additive
Citric acid is found in all citrus fruits, and at the levels we are talking about here, i.e., 1/10 of 1%, it is harmless, unless you are bacteria. Anyone that mixes water into their flavorings should always add citric acid. It will prevent contamination rather effectively. More importantly, it will stabilize your mix ATM, and can reduce, or sometimes eliminate the need for steeping. All the flavor manufacturers I have spoken to tell me that add it to their juice. In the wholesale world, vendors frequently ask if the mix has citric acid and some won't buy if it does not have citric acid. I found this very interesting along the way. We worry about adding it, and many vendors insist upon it. Live and learn.
I use these creams and vanillas in many if not most mixes. As secondary and supporting flavors I keep the percentages at 6% or less....each. As primaries, they would be higher, and would start to dominate the mix. Range? Probably 1% - 6% in most mixes. For a vanilla milkshake, you may go as high as 15% on some of these flavorings. Adding creams, vanillas and sweeteners/cotton candy to your mixes will enhance just about all primary flavorings. They are a must in most situations. At 6% or less, they don't dominate the mix either, and act as flavor enhancers for the primary. Very useful in DIY...among the very best secondaries. For a list of some starting percentages for primaries, I used to go here:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...entice-flavoring-thread-137.html#post10979607
Good luck!
Ok, that sounds good enough then... the "scant" 1/4-tsp is like, just a smidge less than full... The concept of the "smidge" is integral to cooking, and it sounds like it would work ok in this instance too.
And for now, not something I really need, since I'm way too new at all this to be mixing up very large batches; so far, 30ml is the largest quantity I mix at a time, and only that large when I know a recipe works perfectly -- mostly I'm mixing 5-10ml quantities, to see how a recipe works. But, since I do like this high-flavor-mix notion, it's nice to know that there is a good way to "lock in" that flavor so it won't keep changing, when I do get to the point of knowing what recipes work perfectly.
Thx!
Andria
And for now, not something I really need, since I'm way too new at all this to be mixing up very large batches; so far, 30ml is the largest quantity I mix at a time, and only that large when I know a recipe works perfectly -- mostly I'm mixing 5-10ml quantities, to see how a recipe works. But, since I do like this high-flavor-mix notion, it's nice to know that there is a good way to "lock in" that flavor so it won't keep changing, when I do get to the point of knowing what recipes work perfectly.
Thx!
Andria
Hey bill would you happen to have a good recipe for peanut butter? I'm looking for just plain peanut butter taste with maybe a little sweet but no chocolate
I use these creams and vanillas in many if not most mixes. As secondary and supporting flavors I keep the percentages at 6% or less....each. As primaries, they would be higher, and would start to dominate the mix. Range? Probably 1% - 6% in most mixes. For a vanilla milkshake, you may go as high as 15% on some of these flavorings. Adding creams, vanillas and sweeteners/cotton candy to your mixes will enhance just about all primary flavorings. They are a must in most situations. At 6% or less, they don't dominate the mix either, and act as flavor enhancers for the primary. Very useful in DIY...among the very best secondaries. For a list of some starting percentages for primaries, I used to go here:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...entice-flavoring-thread-137.html#post10979607
Good luck!
Thanks Bill! I really appreciate it!
No peanut butter....yet. I would probably start to fiddle around somewhere along these lines. Hopefully, someone will have a finished recipe for you:
Peanut Butter
Peanut Butter - 8%
Sweetener - 4%
Graham Cracker - 3%
French Vanilla Cream - 3%
Butter - 2%
I may also throw something like honey in the mix to get to a favorite childhood flavoring. Think rich, creamy, sweet, thick. Anyway, my two cents. Good luck!
One could make a good argument that cola is poison
But ya Citric Acid has TONS of uses, and the small percentages you would put in e-juice falls well within the "food grade" levels.Also just a heads up, if you are selling/giving juice to friends make sure none of them have an allergy (this goes with most things though). A co-worker of mine has an allergy to citric acid, and the first time he got an e-juice which had citric acid in it he said it was like inhaling fire. Basically gave him minor burns all down his throat and he immediately had to run to the store and buy a jug of milk to sooth his throat. Now he always double checks before buying any juice, because up to that point he didn't realize that any juice other than ones with citrus in them could have it.
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Morning Fellow DIY'
Just wanted to report that my truck load of Ramen Noodles has arrived so I don't starve through the arctic front that most of us are experiencing.
Of course Bill wouldn't know about this as he lives in a barren waste land that rarely gets colder than 50 F!
Oh and I want to especially thank everyone for all their great recipes that have made me go broke!
But as a resolve, I will NEVER run out of vaping liquids! Muhaaahaaa!
My hats off to Bill and all you fine folks here!
The TFA thread
Just wanted to report that my truck load of Ramen Noodles has arrived so I don't starve through the arctic front that most of us are experiencing.
Of course Bill wouldn't know about this as he lives in a barren waste land that rarely gets colder than 50 F!
Oh and I want to especially thank everyone for all their great recipes that have made me go broke!
But as a resolve, I will NEVER run out of vaping liquids! Muhaaahaaa!
My hats off to Bill and all you fine folks here!
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