The Flavor Apprentice Flavoring Thread
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lol. Good to know. Maybe you'd have better luck at a different/lower %?
I've had bad luck with minty and menthol flavors in the past. I played around with Halo's subzero a while back and I ended up with a concoction that tasted like a bad swig of Robitussin. So bad I can't use the SZ anymore.
Tried it @ 5 and 10%, no bueno. Mint/Menthol is all I use, currently trying to find mixes that work well together. Have a couple but am still working on my adv, getting closer every day.
I can't imagine what a bad swig of Robitussin tastes, don't want to find out either!
I really had high hopes for Creme de menthe too. While vapable, it tastes to much like cheap mouthwash.
100 drop test.
Helps get an idea of the mix. I tried a carrot cake flavour once at 10% so 10 drops in the mix and that was too strong so went down to 5%.
Helps get an idea of the mix. I tried a carrot cake flavour once at 10% so 10 drops in the mix and that was too strong so went down to 5%.
LOL!!!! A urinal cake!!!
I've also heard of them being called toilet mints.
Thanks for the heads-up! I bought a small sampler (6ml) of this when I bought my first set of flavorings in case I needed it for the Snowy Days. But I haven't tried it with anything yet.
I can't remember where I saw this now, but someone mentioned that Mint Candy is something you generally just put a few drops into a mix, sort of a supplementary mint flavor I guess.
I've also heard of them being called toilet mints.
Thanks for the heads-up! I bought a small sampler (6ml) of this when I bought my first set of flavorings in case I needed it for the Snowy Days. But I haven't tried it with anything yet.
I can't remember where I saw this now, but someone mentioned that Mint Candy is something you generally just put a few drops into a mix, sort of a supplementary mint flavor I guess.
I was playing around with Bill's Lemon Meringue Pie and was looking around the net to find away to boost the lemon. I know the lemon is already at 12% but hey I wanted in your face lemon. SO I came across a recipe by HeadInClouds on a different site and in the comments HIC said you could use Key Lime at 0.5% to boost the lemon. So I mixed up a new test batch and gave it a try. Well I left it on the desk where all the on going testing samples sit and the next day the wife starts testing juice and she gets to this one; let me just say the lemon was to strong
Thanks Dave - I have some Key Lime on the way and was wondering about whether it could be used with lemon. You have surely saved me some "flavor shock" - I would have probably mixed more of the Key Lime - so now I know to use very sparingly. Great info!
Cool! I'm going to mix up some more of this today - only did 100DT's with it yesterday.
I'm not sure this is something you'd call a strict tobacco type flavor, definitely not an analog replacement -- the other ingredients make it a little more like a ... hmmm.. "dessert tobacco"? Although it's not overly sweet or anything. Hard to describe. But definitely has "the dekang twang", and the other flavors are there too. Not 100% sure yet if there's too much of anything in there or not. But I like it!
Funny.. I really hadn't figured on doing much tobacco flavor mixing because of the steep time I've seen a lot of discussion about. But I had bought a 6ml sampler of DK Tobacco in one of my first flavorings orders and got a whiff of it yesterday when I moved it to a glass vial. The gears started turning...
Will definitely be ordering a larger bottle of DK Tobacco with my next flavoring order.
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I came upon a Halo Kringle clone that I find quite nice. I think it has good balance (and not "urinal-cakey" )
Koolada - 2.5%
Creme de Menthe - 3%
Menthol - 2.5%
Sweetener/EM - 2%
Peppermint - 10%
Nice icy blast.
Dawg, I think you're referring to the "ratings" - how many stars, e.g. 4/5 - that people give the flavorings.
)Koolada - 2.5%
Creme de Menthe - 3%
Menthol - 2.5%
Sweetener/EM - 2%
Peppermint - 10%
Nice icy blast.
Dawg, I think you're referring to the "ratings" - how many stars, e.g. 4/5 - that people give the flavorings.
Just mixed up a bottle of that DK Tobacco recipe. Good stuff. I'll not mess with the recipe til I get some feedback from anyone that tries it. Guess I need to figure out a name for this now.
Bill BTW you were absolutely right about not needing to heat up the liquid when mixing. I "stepped out on a limb" with this bottle I just mixed up and simply shook it up good, let it sit for a minute while I got my magma ready, and vaped. No warm/hot water bath.
Works like a champ, literally vaping it right out of the can -- and it says something for "just shake and vape" when the bottle had almost no space left for "shaking headroom" and still mixed fine and tasted great within 5 minutes of mixing!
Bill you are da man!
Bill BTW you were absolutely right about not needing to heat up the liquid when mixing. I "stepped out on a limb" with this bottle I just mixed up and simply shook it up good, let it sit for a minute while I got my magma ready, and vaped. No warm/hot water bath.
Works like a champ, literally vaping it right out of the can -- and it says something for "just shake and vape" when the bottle had almost no space left for "shaking headroom" and still mixed fine and tasted great within 5 minutes of mixing!
Bill you are da man!
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Here's one I've been playing with this afternoon. Getting close to "really good" after 2 passes:
Flavor development work is at 60/40 VG/PG ratio.
DK Black Cherry Vanilla Bean Tobacco
10% Black Cherry
3% DK Tobacco
3% Caramel
4% Cotton Candy
3% Vanilla Bean Ice Cream
Probably needs a little work yet but I think this is going to get somewhere!
Enjoy/experiment/share
Mix On!
Flavor development work is at 60/40 VG/PG ratio.
DK Black Cherry Vanilla Bean Tobacco
10% Black Cherry
3% DK Tobacco
3% Caramel
4% Cotton Candy
3% Vanilla Bean Ice Cream
Probably needs a little work yet but I think this is going to get somewhere!
Enjoy/experiment/share
Mix On!
Interesting! Of course, LFM. work, and most all of the juice makers started with LFM, and many remain with LFM, some, even critical of HFM. So, we have now gone full circle, I suppose. The answer to your question is an absolute YES! LFM do work and use lower percentages and longer steep times to achieve the juice flavorings desired. Works great.....just slower.....so......harder to make juice quickly, given the time between remixing to achieve the desired result. Same thing ultimately, many claim better and more nuanced....perhaps they are right, too!
Is there a constant multiplier to use with the HFM to achieve same result with a LFM? A percentage of the mix that when steeped would be as good, or better, than the HFM? Perhaps. I don't know what that percentage/multiplier would be though, and is probably largely dependent on the mix in question. I doubt we could unilaterally say that using a 40% mix of the same ingredients, for example, would get you to a suitable LFM of the same flavoring. Frankly, all the other threads seem to gravitate in this direction, and you may find an answer there, certainly more LFM recipes there, and an entirely different view toward mixing generally than HFM. I use and advocate the HFM because it's quicker, which means the new juice maker can be making and vaping juice NOW, rather than later......or never. I didn't really want to use other people's recipes as I wanted to forge ahead on my own. No particular reason....just the way I am. Almost quit making juice. I was very unsuccessful using LFM. Nothing worked very well for me. After six months I lucked into an ADV with three flavors, my Cinnamon Danish ADV, a very HFM with 46% flavoring. I eventually lowered it to 23%, where it remains today. However, 23% is way above the LFM recommendations, so I began to experiment with HFM. The results have been posted here now, many times. It works for me and is what I use today. However, seems like many home juice makers use LFM. Many commercial juice makers use HFM and when I got into that business for a while and went to a couple of conventions and met those folks, I learned that many of them do use HFM for their commercial operations, but not all, of course. Again, same ideas, different steep times. The truth is that whatever works for you is the best way for you. My goal is simply to help people learn to make great juice quickly, something that took me a long time to figure out. That was two years ago.
I started sharing my ideas on this thread in a big way after my son passed away last summer. I found that giving back was a cathartic for me, and helped me through a very difficult time. I'm better, but you never really get over something like that. By helping others, I was able to stop focusing on my own issues so much, and it provided much needed relief. I've just hung around to help ever since. Maybe I've overstayed my stay. I don't know, but I still find posting here to be helpful. I thank everyone for their support. Ciao!
From others responses, Bill's info is very valuable; however, it will do me no good until I can understand it
Could somebody please explain what LFM & HFM stand for?
Chocolate Waffles...
Belgian Waffle 8%
Milk Chocolate 6%
Mixed a little batch yesterday to change things up from my usual ADV and have been vaping it ever since.
Simple,,, and real yummy.
And it's clear so it's not gunking my coils and wicks like my usual caramel/double chocolate type mixes do.
Vape vape
Belgian Waffle 8%
Milk Chocolate 6%
Mixed a little batch yesterday to change things up from my usual ADV and have been vaping it ever since.
Simple,,, and real yummy.
And it's clear so it's not gunking my coils and wicks like my usual caramel/double chocolate type mixes do.
Vape vape
Mine used to be clear til I started adding all the sweeteners! My grape gum is now yellow, and the watermelon version actually turns pink like its real watermelon juice.. I gotta mix up that pink starburst in a bit and see that too. I think it's the bubblegum flavoring adding the color..
I believe LFM is Low Flavor Mix and HFM is High Flavor Mix.
You beat me Trueagle
Thank you Dave_in_OK and Trueagle!!!
When I first started looking in this thread and saw so many of Bill's recipes, I was stunned at the percentages he was using (I was thinking that I could get away with a couple percent of flavor here and there) but I wasn't happy with how things were turning out. I'm pretty impatient when it comes to juice. When I want it, I WANT IT NOW
Using Bill's technique for higher percentages of flavoring in a mix gives me the ability to vape a mix immediately with great satisfaction. I've read all over the place that people "steep" (let sit) for days and/or weeks. It frustrates me if I don't have something that tastes good right away. From what I understand, you could do lower-percentage flavorings, but those need time to develop (hence, steeping.)
However, it's all about what works for you. I was wondering if there was some magical proportion of percentages used in higher-flavored mixes that I could do to back off the amount of flavoring I might need, but no one seems to have a formula for that
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