The Lemo RTA: A Build With Pics

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Same here, I still use mine. Not as much as I did before I got my DNA40, but I still use it. I wonder what joyetech's answer to temp control is going to be like?

I hear you. This is my go-to for a lot of my traveling work gigs. One of the best hardware purchases I've made to date.
My only gripe (even with the newest software) is the Supreme will sometimes read the wrong ohms. I keep mine on
manual, instead of auto, and that helps. Really wish I could get a steel tank for the Lemo; making it more "oops" friendly.
Best build for me has been a twisted 28gauge @ .7ohm. Temp control? Personally, I think (hope) they will start using
the upcoming YiHi temp control board. Only time will tell.

Next step is getting a spare battery tube, and hacking it into a side-by-side device. Fingers crossed I don't brick it.
 

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Alas, my lemo died on me. Okay not exactly died but the insulator is messed up badly as I may have not built properly and it shorted out. It can still run kanthal fine but on nickel the reading is all over the damn place.

Moved over to the subtank mini and it vapes so good. Shall wait for the V2 to be out properly and get it. Can't wait!
 

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    Alas, my lemo died on me. Okay not exactly died but the insulator is messed up badly as I may have not built properly and it shorted out. It can still run kanthal fine but on nickel the reading is all over the damn place.

    Moved over to the subtank mini and it vapes so good. Shall wait for the V2 to be out properly and get it. Can't wait!

    That's one thing I like about Kanger. They offer spare parts on their website.
     

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    Am I misunderstanding something? I assumed floating pin wold mean a self-adjustable pin, am I wrong? And in the video it looks as if it doesn't move at all when Brian pushes it.

    NOOOoooooOOOO why did it have to be a floating pin :( I love the lemo because it's my single most stable atty for nickel builds :(


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    Am I misunderstanding something? I assumed floating pin wold mean a self-adjustable pin, am I wrong? And in the video it looks as if it doesn't move at all when Brian pushes it.

    Isn't he pushing on it with the base still attached to the tank? If that's the case then it's against the center post so there's no where for it to go.

    If that's not the case, then pay no attention to that man behind the curtain:blush:
     
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    Hahaha I really really like the new fill port :( damnit!

    It's probably too soon to tell, but it kinda looks like this one might work OK with TC. I don't think it's a spring loaded contact, I think it's more of a centerpost extension, if you know what I mean. So it should be solid once it's attached to your mod.

    But still, another contact point added to the already complicated temp control equation :rolleyes:
     

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    Alrighty, threw a new coil in the Lemo.

    For fun, I wanted to try a bigger coil than I'm used to. Went with 10 wraps of 24g at 3.5mm, for a little over 1ohm.
    Wish I took a picture before I assembled it all, but I got excited to try it. I'll post on when it's time to refill.

    I was surprised, though. I figured all that surface would boost the flavor considerably, but it seems somewhat muted compared to my 24g/26g .7 builds I usually do.
    I can crank it to the max on my Sig, but it doesn't make a huge difference. (I'm a little bummed the 150w has a 7.5v cutoff, I was hoping to push it a bit further)

    The massive wick makes its a very enjoyable gurgly vape, though.
    Cigatron, I think I'm finally wrapping my head around what you mean by 'chunky.' :)
     

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    Alrighty, threw a new coil in the Lemo.

    For fun, I wanted to try a bigger coil than I'm used to. Went with 10 wraps of 24g at 3.5mm, for a little over 1ohm.
    Wish I took a picture before I assembled it all, but I got excited to try it. I'll post on when it's time to refill.

    I was surprised, though. I figured all that surface would boost the flavor considerably, but it seems somewhat muted compared to my 24g/26g .7 builds I usually do.
    I can crank it to the max on my Sig, but it doesn't make a huge difference. (I'm a little bummed the 150w has a 7.5v cutoff, I was hoping to push it a bit further)

    The massive wick makes its a very enjoyable gurgly vape, though.
    Cigatron, I think I'm finally wrapping my head around what you mean by 'chunky.' :)


    I found that placing the coil as close as possible to the airhole gives me far more flavor vs higher away from the airhole. Placing the coil 3mm away from the airhole, cut my juice flavor by almost 50%.

    Give that a try with your next build.
     

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    I found that placing the coil as close as possible to the airhole gives me far more flavor vs higher away from the airhole. Placing the coil 3mm away from the airhole, cut my juice flavor by almost 50%.

    Give that a try with your next build.

    That was somehing I had heard a while back.

    Since then, I've always tried to get my coil as low as possible without the risk of heat transfer to the insulator and/or shorting.
    This one's already reaaaaally close to the airhole. :)
     

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    That was somehing I had heard a while back.

    Since then, I've always tried to get my coil as low as possible without the risk of heat transfer to the insulator and/or shorting.
    This one's already reaaaaally close to the airhole. :)

    Then you might want to get higher PG juice. I mainly vape 80VG juice, but with 50VG juice the flavor can be overwhelming with some juice brands.

    Bigger coil will evaporate more juice, giving you more "vapor" volume, not more flavor. Bigger coil cant give whats not there to begin with.
    By placing the coil closer to the airhole, you limiting the air-ratio mixture, because the coil acts as an air-volume controller. Thus you get more flavor do to less air being mixed with vapor it self. I know what you thinking; why not just tighten the AFC? The second benefit of coil being closer to the airhole, is because the air passes much closer to the coil, thus giving you a more concentrated and better mixed of air and vapor before reaching your taste buds. Just imagine that air and vapor are liquids being mixed together while traveling from point A to point B.

    And if you crank the wattage too high, then you cooking the juice and the flavoring before it can reach your taste buds. So youll have to play around with various wattage settings; low-high, to find a sweet spot for specific coil set up and juice.

    Makes sense?
     

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    Then you might want to get higher PG juice. I mainly vape 80VG juice, but with 50VG juice the flavor can be overwhelming with some juice brands.

    Bigger coil will evaporate more juice, giving you more "vapor" volume, not more flavor. Bigger coil cant give whats not there to begin with.
    By placing the coil closer to the airhole, you limiting the air-ratio mixture, because the coil acts as an air-volume controller. Thus you get more flavor do to less air being mixed with vapor it self. I know what you thinking; why not just tighten the AFC? The second benefit of coil being closer to the airhole, is because the air passes much closer to the coil, thus giving you a more concentrated and better mixed of air and vapor before reaching your taste buds. Just imagine that air and vapor are liquids being mixed together while traveling from point A to point B.

    And if you crank the wattage too high, then you cooking the juice and the flavoring before it can reach your taste buds. So youll have to play around with various wattage settings; low-high, to find a sweet spot for specific coil set up and juice.

    Makes sense?

    Appreciate the suggestions, man. Keep 'em coming.

    I'm currently using 50/50, might be 60/40 on the higher PG side. (Part of why I'm a little confused here)
    I just can't get high VG to wick as fast as I'd like it too in the Lemos, so I gave up. I hate having to do primer puffs.

    Bigger coils, in the sense of bigger meaning more surface area, does give better flavor. That's one of the reasons why I went the route I did, and why parallels work real well as flavor chasing single coils.
    When you say bigger, what do you mean? Wire gauge? Diameter? Overall mass?
    One thing I'm not going to do is tighten the airflow. The main selling point of the Lemo to me was the huge airflow. (And bigger Kayfun-ish deck)
    I remeber setting the coil about 1mm above the airhole. I can get smaller ones even closer without too much worry about melting anything or shorting it out. If I lower this one any more, I have the feeling the crazy heat capacity is going to run wild.

    I started pretty low, and there's practically no flavor up until about 28W.
    My current setting is 35w, at about 6.4V. My device won't set it higher than 47.3W before it hits the volt cutoff, but the juice still isn't burning or cooking. I've been trying various settings all day without much luck.

    Yup, pretty much all you posted makes real good sense. I'm still at a loss.
    When I'm done with this tank, I may just end up switching back to my old coil build, but I'd still really like to be happy with this one.
     

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    Appreciate the suggestions, man. Keep 'em coming.

    I'm currently using 50/50, might be 60/40 on the higher PG side. (Part of why I'm a little confused here)
    I just can't get high VG to wick as fast as I'd like it too in the Lemos, so I gave up. I hate having to do primer puffs.

    Bigger coils, in the sense of bigger meaning more surface area, does give better flavor. That's one of the reasons why I went the route I did, and why parallels work real well as flavor chasing single coils.
    When you say bigger, what do you mean? Wire gauge? Diameter? Overall mass?
    One thing I'm not going to do is tighten the airflow. The main selling point of the Lemo to me was the huge airflow. (And bigger Kayfun-ish deck)
    I remeber setting the coil about 1mm above the airhole. I can get smaller ones even closer without too much worry about melting anything or shorting it out. If I lower this one any more, I have the feeling the crazy heat capacity is going to run wild.

    I started pretty low, and there's practically no flavor up until about 28W.
    My current setting is 35w, at about 6.4V. My device won't set it higher than 47.3W before it hits the volt cutoff, but the juice still isn't burning or cooking. I've been trying various settings all day without much luck.

    Yup, pretty much all you posted makes real good sense. I'm still at a loss.
    When I'm done with this tank, I may just end up switching back to my old coil build, but I'd still really like to be happy with this one.

    To some extant, bigger coil will give you more flavor, because more juice is being vaporized. A good example; 28g wire 5 wraps vs 24g wire 7 wraps. But at some point, going with even bigger coil becomes pointless; 24g 7 wraps vs 24g 10 wraps. Imagine drinking 7oz of Pepsi vs 10oz of Pepsi (7 wraps vs 10wraps); you wont get more flavor from drinking bigger gulps. Now if you went from 0.05oz gulp of Pepsi to 7oz gulp of pepsi, then you would be able to taste the full flavor of Pepsi. The reason you not tasting as much of pepsi at 0.05oz, is because not all taste buds are equally saturated for your brain to register the full flavor from Pepsi.

    Now i vape at 25watts (24g 7 wraps, 0.71ohm spaced coil). If i go to 30 watts or a little higher, then vapor is warmer and juice tastes better. But warmer juice taste better, just like food tastes better when its warm/hot instead of cold. Our taste buds react to flavor better to hot foods then cold foods. Try warm sushi roll, it tastes 10 times better then a cold sushi roll. I'll never eat cold sushi ever again.

    And if its not priming fast enough, then you might want to re-adjust your wick. Take a paper clip and stick it down the center of your wick so it hits the bottom of the juice hole. The juice channel must be clear of wick material.
    You can also twist top cover of the tank towards open position till you see air bubbles going in to the tank, close it, then twist it open again to get more airbubles. Its a pain the .... but better then priming.

    Also try bridge wicking or some call it Navy Nest, it looks like a birds nest. This way you have double the wicking material and more juice, thus less chance of dry hits.

    If you still having issue, then do what i did, and mod the bottom portion of the lower chimney that screws on to the deck. Do this on both sides.
    I will be doubling the size of the juice holes next time i re-wick, to increase juice flow when its cold out side with Max VG juice.

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    Almost forgot. Different length and diameter tips will also change level/% of flavor of the juice. A longer and narrower tip will give you a more concentrated flavor towards the taste buds that are designed to register specific flavors.

    Short/stuby tips that are wide open, will spread out the vapor across all taste buds, thus you will taste less flavor. On cloud chasing RDAs that have giant wide open tips will improve flavor, because you getting far more volume from an RDA that is designed for cloud chasing at much higher wattage. But we are strictly speaking of Lemo here.


    At the end of the day, IMHO, this tank wasnt designed for big coils and high wattage like an RDA. This is why i think you getting dry hits with your current coil. But you can make improvements as i have to work out the bugs, so it can handle bigger coils and more wattage. After all, vaping is a hobby.
     
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    Morning y'all!
    I've read this entire thread and have gained a lot of good info!
    A little about me:
    I started vaping March 7,
    My rig: full size Lemo on a Vamo 40w, 70/30 juice I have rebuilt my Lemo only twice (still trying to get the hang of building coils) spaced coil using an 8-32 machine screw, 5 turns 28 g (?) kanthal ~ 1.4 ohms 20w
    Oh, and wicked with Japanese cotton.
     

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    I've been messing with the pancake wick method the last few days. So far I've found that the strip of wick you cut should be roughly double the width of your coil ID and it is best to cut the ends on a 45 degree angle so the wick is longer on the bottom than the top so it extends a little lower towards the deck when you splay it out.
     
    I've been messing with the pancake wick method the last few days. So far I've found that the strip of wick you cut should be roughly double the width of your coil ID and it is best to cut the ends on a 45 degree angle so the wick is longer on the bottom than the top so it extends a little lower towards the deck when you splay it out.

    Don't believe I'm familiar with the "pancake wick" method.
     
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