the lesser of 2 evils
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The problem is education.
People do not realize you are not smoking, it looks like smoke so it has to be smoke!
They also do not realize that the exhale contains no nicotine or harmful carbon particulate associated with combustion smoking.
I know my company has placed E-cigs in the same category as smoking, and for some sue happy employee they will have a field day!
I mean I cannot even phantom the ignorance of a company as large as mine (global) going off and chucking e-cigs in with the "tobacco free no smoking policy" obviously the HR people didn't run it by legal, and if they did we have a bunch of uneducated lawyers working for us aswell.
No matter, I feel eventually vaping will become much more accepted, I mean look finally in may states
is now legal, and taxed I might add....
Of course we do not want the taxes and regulations meddling into the vaping industry. We have too much of that already!
It will get better, it always takes time, and when naturally someone has found something that isn't taxed or regulated and works, big government wants in on it....unfortunately there is too much corruption in government now for it to be effective an longer....
just my two
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People do not realize you are not smoking, it looks like smoke so it has to be smoke!
They also do not realize that the exhale contains no nicotine or harmful carbon particulate associated with combustion smoking.
I know my company has placed E-cigs in the same category as smoking, and for some sue happy employee they will have a field day!
I mean I cannot even phantom the ignorance of a company as large as mine (global) going off and chucking e-cigs in with the "tobacco free no smoking policy" obviously the HR people didn't run it by legal, and if they did we have a bunch of uneducated lawyers working for us aswell.
No matter, I feel eventually vaping will become much more accepted, I mean look finally in may states
is now legal, and taxed I might add....Of course we do not want the taxes and regulations meddling into the vaping industry. We have too much of that already!
It will get better, it always takes time, and when naturally someone has found something that isn't taxed or regulated and works, big government wants in on it....unfortunately there is too much corruption in government now for it to be effective an longer....
just my two
worth....
Coffee and tea contain caffeine, a diuretic which can lessen the effects of liquids for hydration, as they (diuretics) cause removal of fluids from the body.
See what your doc says, but I would try to keep on the H20 and less on the tea and coffee, Poweraid and Gatoraid are also good for hydration...
I drink about a half a gallon of water a day....
I became addicted to water when I was stationed in the Middle East.....something about the desert.....LOL
See what your doc says, but I would try to keep on the H20 and less on the tea and coffee, Poweraid and Gatoraid are also good for hydration...
I drink about a half a gallon of water a day....
I became addicted to water when I was stationed in the Middle East.....something about the desert.....LOL
Just so you know, if you're having raw mouth issues with vaping a lot of people report the same with gum.
Out of the NRT I tried I liked the gum the best, although it's easy to OD on because of how they think anyone would want to "chew" gum.
There are also tobacco store non-smoking nicotine items way beyond standard chew now. I liked snus except I can only get the crap American brands so they're not a good replacement for heavy nicotine intake (Camel can't have it so you can replace their cigarettes).
Patches are too unreliable to dose IMO.
Depends on the anxiety drug for me. SSRI/SNRI (which actually aren't anxiolytics but used that way) are bad. But Xanax works for me, nicotine never did and smoking only slightly.
Although my issue being IBD probably makes that different. I think smoking masked the Ulcerative Colitis. The nicotine may relax the muscles some but sometimes it takes something stronger to stop a spasm. For me runaway IBD = anxiety, runaway anxiety = IBD problems.
My sister sent me an article linking the mind and the gut that was interesting.
Including when you have a medical need.
Some idiot on twitter tells me, "You sure are passionate about your ecig use for colitis." We weren't discussing ecigs at the time, he was a medical person telling people that smoking was bad for IBD (his wording "IBD and Crohn's", which he defended by saying Crohn's is a form of IBD). What I'm passionate about is me or anyone else needlessly having their guts removed to satisfy some prohibitionists.
The ANTZ are complete nuts. I can't find reference to it any more but I recall hearing about them blocking a nicotine pill for Ulcerative Colitis. And I know other nicotine studies aren't easy to do, whether for other health issues or for smoking because the ANTZ will fight anything that might hint at some redeeming quality.
My husband has been vaping for longer than it was a "fad". His original purchases were directly from China because there were no "vaping shops" really. He's been vaping for over three years. I've been doing it for about six months. He was a hardcore smoker and I figured he'd never quit... I consider us both a success.
Honestly, I don't know why he vaped before. That stuff in China was VILE that he was using. I would wonder what those that didn't stick with it were vaping. Frankly cigarettes tasted better to me that that stuff, but the stuff we get now is pretty awesome, especially in comparison,
In a perfect world, I'd quit all nicotine, but for now...
Honestly, I don't know why he vaped before. That stuff in China was VILE that he was using. I would wonder what those that didn't stick with it were vaping. Frankly cigarettes tasted better to me that that stuff, but the stuff we get now is pretty awesome, especially in comparison,
In a perfect world, I'd quit all nicotine, but for now...
It's all psychological my friend ... The people who go back to smoking due so because they didn't really "want" to quit, but rather tried quitting because they felt like they should ... which I am not criticizing at all, but the reality is that people tend to be successful at those things that they want to be successful at. I smoked and vaped for quite some time, and I did so because I WANTED TO ... plain and simple.
When I finally wanted to quit smoking, I quit, and I do not miss smoking at all ... not at all. I originally turned to e cigs because I had to, due to circumstances beyond my control, namely a landlord that did not want me smoking out on the terrace to my apartment. I lived on the 3rd fl in my apartment building, and while I had no problem going outdoors to smoke on my terrace, I did not want to climb 6 flights of stairs every time I wanted a cig ... which was like every 10 minutes at the time. So I started looking into e cigarettes, and I liked vaping immediately, but I honestly had no desire to quit smoking altogether ... I just didn't want to piss off my landlord. So I smoked a few cigs everyday, while vaping for most of the day (0-6mg nic).
I tried to make myself feel like I "should" quit for all the usual reasons that other people attempt to quit smoking, but again because it was not really what I had decided to do on my own, but rather a choice motivated by circumstances, there was no chance that I would really quit. And there were other issues too, such as my initial low tolerance for high mg nic juice ... I just couldn't vape it, it made me choke.
Vaping also requires more work than smoking does, so I believe that this is the other reason that so many fall off the vape wagon, and go back to cigarettes ... because they are easy. Have we simply traded one habit for another?? Yup, but it taste, and smells better, and the great variety of vape gear is lots of fun to shop for and play with ... do I consider it the lesser of two evils? Absolutely not. I consider it a less offensive, less toxic, and more interesting way to live.
When I finally wanted to quit smoking, I quit, and I do not miss smoking at all ... not at all. I originally turned to e cigs because I had to, due to circumstances beyond my control, namely a landlord that did not want me smoking out on the terrace to my apartment. I lived on the 3rd fl in my apartment building, and while I had no problem going outdoors to smoke on my terrace, I did not want to climb 6 flights of stairs every time I wanted a cig ... which was like every 10 minutes at the time. So I started looking into e cigarettes, and I liked vaping immediately, but I honestly had no desire to quit smoking altogether ... I just didn't want to piss off my landlord. So I smoked a few cigs everyday, while vaping for most of the day (0-6mg nic).
I tried to make myself feel like I "should" quit for all the usual reasons that other people attempt to quit smoking, but again because it was not really what I had decided to do on my own, but rather a choice motivated by circumstances, there was no chance that I would really quit. And there were other issues too, such as my initial low tolerance for high mg nic juice ... I just couldn't vape it, it made me choke.
Vaping also requires more work than smoking does, so I believe that this is the other reason that so many fall off the vape wagon, and go back to cigarettes ... because they are easy. Have we simply traded one habit for another?? Yup, but it taste, and smells better, and the great variety of vape gear is lots of fun to shop for and play with ... do I consider it the lesser of two evils? Absolutely not. I consider it a less offensive, less toxic, and more interesting way to live.
I agree with you on your post, but I don't think that an employee can sue a company over the allowed use or banning of e-cigs in the workplace....if that is what you are getting at.
I think that a workplace is a private business and they can make any rules they want. If they don't want people to wear blue shirts, they can "ban" them. Same with e-cigs and smokers.
They just need to be educated, but honestly I am pretty sure that most workplaces just don't want to deal with the rash of complaints of someone "smoking" inside and having to explain to each one that the person is not actually smoking, but vaping, and vaping is not harmful...and vaping is just water vapor, and blah blah blah...you get my point. They just want to nip it in the bud and not have to deal with explaining it over and over. That's why I usually don't vape around others, unless I see someone smoking, then I will vape.
It was meant that to put vaping in the same category as smoking is ignorant, at the very least.
I know that someone will challenge it eventually, personally I just go out in the hallway 20 feet from my desk when I am even in the office.
I know you know what I meant.....
Like I said it looks like smoke so people assume it's smoke....
I know that someone will challenge it eventually, personally I just go out in the hallway 20 feet from my desk when I am even in the office.
I know you know what I meant.....
Like I said it looks like smoke so people assume it's smoke....
Can an employer force non-smokers out with the smokers to inhale second hand smoke?
I don't think any second hand smoke inhalation cases have been won outside of damage to property but do you really think if all non-smokers were forced to inhale smoke lawsuits wouldn't follow? If nothing else then the damages for the smoke on their clothing.
The only thing that would save them by limiting it to non-smoking vapers is because the vapers have been beaten down to think of themselves as smokers still.
If I worked for someone who forced me into a smoking area to vape I would consider lawsuits on multiple grounds. It would all depend on how easy I could work within their rules, they are my paycheck after all.
If my city ever bans ecig use I'll be on the phone to the local shyster accident lawyer(s) to see if they'll take the case.
If I worked for someone who banned nicotine in the blood they would instantly have an ADA case filed against them.
I get what you're saying, but since the vapers have a choice whether to go outside with the smokers or just not vape, I think that winning such a lawsuit would be a tough row to hoe - more so since vapers (and smokers) aren't considered a "protected class".
Smoked for 26 years with many attempts to quit but couldn't beat the nicotine beast.
Almost 3 years ago I tried an ecig and I haven't had an analog since.
I smell better. I breathe better (no more use of inhalers). And I feel better and am much more physically active.
I now spend around 30 bucks a month for supplies vs 16 bucks a day for smokes.
It was.win win for me. No need to give up the nicotine yet I reap all the benefits of a healthy non smoker.
I'll vape for as long as they legally allow me to.
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Almost 3 years ago I tried an ecig and I haven't had an analog since.
I smell better. I breathe better (no more use of inhalers). And I feel better and am much more physically active.
I now spend around 30 bucks a month for supplies vs 16 bucks a day for smokes.
It was.win win for me. No need to give up the nicotine yet I reap all the benefits of a healthy non smoker.
I'll vape for as long as they legally allow me to.
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I don't think you do understand what I'm saying. Nicotine is a treatment for a disease that I have. That disease is covered by ADA. A business cannot discriminate against me based on my disease or the treatment as long as they don't cause undo hardships on the business.
It just so happens that addiction is classified as a disease and protected by ADA. That's not saying a business has to put up with a drunk at work but they also can't decide that recovering alcoholic has to have a martini with the boss to keep their job.
I think I could have a very easy case for nicotine free blood, you can't require no nicotine in my blood any more than you can tell me no mesalamine in my blood. Vaping would depend on how reasonable they were.
That's basically what it comes down to, is it reasonable. Is it reasonable to not allow people to vape in the public eye? Sure.
Is it reasonable to make people vape outside where they have enough room to escape smoke? Somewhat.
Is it reasonable to put vapers, many who are recovering smokers, in a small space where they will have no option but to inhale smoke? No.
If a city does it no you do not have a choice to go somewhere else. Your beaten down attitude of "just not vape" is not a choice.
It would be a rough row to hoe because of the ANTZ brainwashing of the world and nothing more. Require the same of any other non-smoker, including nicotine (NRT) users and you would have every ANTZ organization in the world coming down on them.
To the Op,
If nose bleeds happen then the culprit is PG.If you want to give another try the eliquid should be made up with mostly Vg.I would go with following ratio.
vg 75
pg 10
water 15
nicotine 12 mg and/or 18 mg.
vaporgod has ready made mixes for that ratio. Link
If nose bleeds happen then the culprit is PG.If you want to give another try the eliquid should be made up with mostly Vg.I would go with following ratio.
vg 75
pg 10
water 15
nicotine 12 mg and/or 18 mg.
vaporgod has ready made mixes for that ratio. Link
morning all ,
currently im not vaping at all . haven't since sat eve .
I have managed to smoke 2 cigs between now and then to knock the edge off because the gum really isn't doing anything
just trying to hang tight till tomorrow till I can get some answers from the ENT .
things I have noticed :
in the past 36 hrs or so
my throat alittle less scratchy , raspiness has pretty much gone away
No blood at all , nose is still alittle sore though
a friend suggested a nasal spray which did wonders .
now that these problems seem to be easing and since im not vaping at all .....its becoming more obvious
that these problems are in some way related to the juices some how .
but im still confused by this cause my primary did a PG allergy test and it was neg . however im not sure if some type of sensitivity
would be detected or has developed .
common Tuesday .
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After a PM from a fellow ECF
member I stand corrected. Nicotine is not recognized as a carcinogen. Sorry for the misinformation.
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It's ECF, but it's not easy for most people to admit they are wrong. Well done, sir.
If one can do with just a couple of cigarettes (per day) one can skip the complicated and laborious ehookahs 
Studies show inhaled PG can cause Nose bleeds and it has nothing to do with sensitivity on skin .
Studies show inhaled PG can cause Nose bleeds and it has nothing to do with sensitivity on skin .
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